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 curran12 wrote:
As much as we'd like to have a trophy to hang mangled from the castle walls, in the end it is tenebre's money and decision that he has to make.

What is required of us as a community is vigilance. BTP may have wiped their hands of it, but we should make sure that it is not forgotten by the community.

Indeed. Memento Semper Puteulanus Table

Well I know I have started warning people locally against btp and sending them to reputable and local painting services.
Remember, nothing ever is truly gone from the internet.

glad too hear you settled ten and hope you got everything you could have out of the deal and more mini wargaming and blue table painting will get no support or money from my wallet thank you again ten for warning people of the community

 swampyturtle wrote:
It just stinks to high heaven that Blue table painting gets to walk away with their hands cleaned of the whole affair and the community as a whole suffers because of it.

Well... lets not go nuts.

BTP isn't dumping toxic waste into the river or anything. They're essentially just a professional service that occasionally does shoddy work. It seems hard to argue that every project they do leaves the consumer unhappy, which means that the problem, while likely systemic, doesn't stem from a fundamental inability to provide the services promised.

So, there's no real policy reason to "punish" BTP beyond compensating the OP for his troubles, which apparently they did. It's easy to tell another man to keep fighting, but it's his nickle, and he gets to decide how his case gets decided. If his counsel was good, and I'm sure it was, he was encouraged to take any reasonable settlement to avoid mounting costs of litigation. Don't forget, even if they went to court, the question of fact would be the value of the paint job provided compared to the paint job paid for, which because an extremely fact intensive decision. That means eight people in a jury would have to listen to testimony from experts and look at pictures and decide by how much, if any, BTP over charged the OP.

His counsel probably also gave him a reality check as to how much he could expect back, and as long as they got something in that range (I'm wildly speculating at about 40-50% back) you take that deal.

While I would like to see them crucified, I am okay with ten getting his because that is all that matters really. I would not call BTPs work any good, you look through their videos and you see mould lines bad use of OSL and just bad painting in general. Wrap that all up in a cult like demeanor from shaun and it leaves a bad taste in anyones mouth.

If enough people think that BTP will still keep delivering subpar work (in relation to what the contract says) and want to warn other they could commission a small job and review that without mentioning it on Dakkadakka first. That way one person wouldn't lose thousands of dollars worth of work but still have evidence and people would have something to reference and link to (although at the cost of the subpar commission and giving BTP some money).

 warboss wrote:

 Haight wrote:

 warboss wrote:
If you downloaded the video before he made it private, you could repost it at the risk of flagrantly violating his copyrighted material. It is, however, up to him to decide whether he would want to persue that violation with a DMCA takedown notice to youtube. I doubt (and this is a wild guess) that his agreement covers him enforcing his video's copyright but rather prohibits him from actively disseminating it instead.

Again, all conjecture on my part, and Ten can't confirm.... but...

You'd be surprised, Warboss. There probably is a clause that states that for a set period of time (likely several years) Ten must take "reasonable action by a person of ordinary sense" to cease and desist violators of that CP that either he discovers or that BTP brings to his attention and whereupon within a reasonable period, Ten must furnish proof that he has attempted to deliver a C&D (email, certified letter, etc). Yes he's ultimate not responsible if someone pilfers his vids, but if either of them find out about it, as part of the settlement i would be willing to bet that there's a "you have to at least try to keep people from putting these vids up".

Thanks for the clarifcation. I would be surprised if BTP had thought of that as they IMHO seem to come off in this whole affair as greedy and vindictive but not particularly good long term planners.

.... but that's precisely what a lawyer is for.


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 curran12 wrote:
As much as we'd like to have a trophy to hang mangled from the castle walls, in the end it is tenebre's money and decision that he has to make.

What is required of us as a community is vigilance. BTP may have wiped their hands of it, but we should make sure that it is not forgotten by the community.

Yup. // thread.


That pretty much sums it up. Have an exalt. I am glad Ten was made whole, and i'm glad that he got what he was looking for, and gave us all the warning. It's up to the community to stay vigilant and keep people warned.

http://www.bluetablestore.com/premium-experiences-and-services/blue-table-painting-buy-the-company

 flabluker wrote:
http://www.bluetablestore.com/premium-experiences-and-services/blue-table-painting-buy-the-company

Lol if he thinks that a painting service is worth just under .5 million.

 Crablezworth wrote:

I think that'd be a good thing but at the same time, it's not like all the discussion went unnoticed on the google front, this thread is 4th from the top https://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=blue%20table%20painting&oq=blue%20table%20painting&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.2711j0j8

Yep.

Don't worry about the Interwebs forgetting about what happened. I did a few things to make sure this thread stays high in search results and will continue to rise slowly for the next few years.

Tenebre, now that those videos are gone, I still say you manufactured the whole controversy and the issues you claimed to have with the models were exaggerated.

Happy to hear a settlement was reached and I hope you did not end up having to pay Blue Table Painting too much money over your shameful actions.

 flabluker wrote:
http://www.bluetablestore.com/premium-experiences-and-services/blue-table-painting-buy-the-company

Holy crap.
I recall speculation about BTP having to use money they get from one commission to fufill the last then wait for another to fill the current one. Maybe whatever the settlement was was the proverbial straw that broke their back?

As for the videos going down, we'll always have their own promotional images to prove they are can't do high quality work

I love how it is in the cart.................
if I had 5 million to burn, I would buy it. But alas, I only have 3 million to burn.

500k for a headache everyday of the week. No thx

What the fuuuuuuu-

Oh WOW.

Wait... is that just trolling Blue Tabletop Painting style or is the company actually being sold? I assume trolling but is it possible the settlement and the bad press has done them under?

http://www.bluetablestore.com/premium-experiences-and-services/blue-table-painting-buy-the-company

"Don't actually buy this from the webstore! Contact bluetablepainting@gmail.com This purchase is for the company and all its assets, material and intellectual. You will have no bank or tax debt from the company. The owner will show you how to run everything over the course of two months. You will also gain interest in the studio building itself as a property. All details to be still negotiated."





Maybe he'll throw in some free PR from miniwargaming to sweeten the deal.

Sooo, if im readin this right.....Shaun wants to sell his failing company

I saw it and assumed it was some sort of joke?

I'd ask if he was high...but I don't even know perpetual stoners to be this stupid. Wow. This is complete fail on one of the highest scales imaginable!!

 techsoldaten wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

I think that'd be a good thing but at the same time, it's not like all the discussion went unnoticed on the google front, this thread is 4th from the top https://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=blue%20table%20painting&oq=blue%20table%20painting&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.2711j0j8

Yep.

Don't worry about the Interwebs forgetting about what happened. I did a few things to make sure this thread stays high in search results and will continue to rise slowly for the next few years.

Tenebre, now that those videos are gone, I still say you manufactured the whole controversy and the issues you claimed to have with the models were exaggerated.

Happy to hear a settlement was reached and I hope you did not end up having to pay Blue Table Painting too much money over your shameful actions.

While being blind must be a challenge it's probably unreasonable to form an opinion on the quality of painted models if you're unable to see them.

Let's keep this thread to tenebre's army / experience and related items. If you'd like to discuss the possibility of BTP's sale please use this thread dedicated to the topic:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/638383.page

 tenebre wrote:
I wanted to post an update.

A settlement was reached and I am satisfied.

Part of the settlement included non disclosure as is common in all legal settlements. Therefore I can not comment any further or provide any additional details.

Good for you! I am glad this worked out. I do wish that they could have been mounted as a trophy but, it appears this could have been the straw that broke the camel's back. To be honest, this was resolved quicker than I thought it would be.

 tenebre wrote:
I wanted to post an update.

A settlement was reached and I am satisfied.

Part of the settlement included non disclosure as is common in all legal settlements. Therefore I can not comment any further or provide any additional details.

Glad to hear everything was resolved.

What I am wondering is - and someone can correct me if this is not legal. If lets say, hypothetically, I recorded the original videos that Tenebre had.... could I put them up under my own name, or would that null and void his agreement.

I would say not since speech freedoms come into affect. Also I do not know tenebre or am affected by this ruling. Not sure though what do you guys think.

Technically, Tenebre would be able to force you to take them down. But he would be under no obligation to do so, and I doubt he'd have the inclination.

I would need more people to answer here... if tenebre asks I will def take them down... but otherwise...

fidel wrote:
I would need more people to answer here... if tenebre asks I will def take them down... but otherwise...

Ten wouldn't get in trouble for you posting it. But he may or may not have to issue you a copy right claim on YouTube to take it down if he is aware of the video being posted by someone eals. Counts on the wording of the agreement and if ten wants to protect his content.

fidel wrote:
I would need more people to answer here... if tenebre asks I will def take them down... but otherwise...

Why dick around doing something so petty and pointless? Even without the videos, for however brief a time BTP is going to remain around, everything anyone needs is already readily available in this thread and elsewhere.

 plastictrees wrote:
While being blind must be a challenge it's probably unreasonable to form an opinion on the quality of painted models if you're unable to see them.

I was kidding. See my earlier posts in the thread for context.

 techsoldaten wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
While being blind must be a challenge it's probably unreasonable to form an opinion on the quality of painted models if you're unable to see them.

I was kidding. See my earlier posts in the thread for context.

Haha, yes I was lazy and rolled the dice on you being a lunatic and didn't dig into it anymore.