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I'd be tempted to give one guy a shotgun on his back and bolter in hand for the Aliens nod - "I like to keep this handy for close encounters" - but yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a mistake. They need to fix this stupid "Replace their bolter and/or close combat weapon for one of the following" "Replace their bolter and close combat weapon with any of the following" wording in their codex books anyway, it's needlessly ambiguous.

I have 20 shotties from the 30k recon marines spare so looks like imma have loads of deathwatch with compact shotguns


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May also use my recon marines with snipers as stalker bolters as feth only having one in the kit (thats reloading...) -_-

If they weren't so damn expensive, I would pick up a bunch of the holstered shotguns from the Scout Bikers kit. Between those and the holstered boltguns from TWC, I would make a squad with each weapon out. But I don't have any desire to put down $60 just to add a weapon option.

i have a couple of scout biker shotguns from when i built my 30k outriders, but the recon snotguns look so nice

Arent they a thing of beauty

So after doing these massive FAQs they publish yet another horribly written codex.

1 step forward 2 steps back.

the guard and grey knights FAQ is out now, not that good aswell..

 deffrekka wrote:
the guard and grey knights FAQ is out now, not that good aswell..

What's so not that good in them? Apart from weird chimera firing point at the back style answer. But apart from that seemed fairly standard stuff.

 deffrekka wrote:
the guard and grey knights FAQ is out now, not that good aswell..

This is being discussed here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1650/689814.page

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah but c'mon, there's no way they intended DW squads to walk around with a bolter in one hand and a shotgun in the other.

Yeah no way some Space Marine could be as awesome as this guy.



(totally modeling a squad dual wielding shotguns and bolters)

Personally I imagine them holstering one while they use the other and vice Versa. Like how on the 30k marines you can put a sword on their back. Personally I find it more weird that people are assuming it is an error when it's the sort of thing you could do before, there was just never an advantage to do so. If anyone would have an advantage of this sort it would be the deathwatch. Stalker shotgun sounds kinda fun I am not gonna lie...

Space Wolves like to carry 2 different kombi bolters from time to time to have always the weapon they need
No one ever had a problem with that.

What kind of pistols are in the sprues? In addition, any melta, plasma or grav guns?

Can't Inquisitorial Henchmen carry two long guns, too? Storm Bolter and Meltagun, or similar, if they want to? If a relatively normal (if well trained) human can do that, surely Deathguard can pack a shotgun as a backup weapon.

I'm just sad that they can't do sniper and Shottys.

 Crazyterran wrote:
I'm just sad that they can't do sniper and Shottys.

Replace his CCW with a Boltgun. Replace one Boltgun with a Stalker Boltgun and the other with a Shotgun.

I don't know if you can replace a pick off the wargear list with another one.

Hmm.

 Leth wrote:
Personally I imagine them holstering one while they use the other and vice Versa.

Not really the point I was making. I was more talking about how I don't think GW intended to have DW squads where everyone has multiple basic weapons.

 Crazyterran wrote:
I don't know if you can replace a pick off the wargear list with another one.

Hmm.

I don't think you can eother. I was being facetious.

 Crazyterran wrote:
I don't know if you can replace a pick off the wargear list with another one.

Why couldn't you?

In fact, if you couldn't SM bikers could not take any special weapons. (You need to replace your bolter or a cc weapon with a special weapon, neither of which the bikers have. They however have a bolt pistol and an ability to replace it with a chainsword.)

Its not that good as in once again people ask all those stupid questions like can grey knights take codex marine relics... :/

Why not do bolters with underslung shotguns?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Personally I imagine them holstering one while they use the other and vice Versa.

Not really the point I was making. I was more talking about how I don't think GW intended to have DW squads where everyone has multiple basic weapons.

I just think it is bizarre that the relic Special Issue Ammunition has a profile for Stalker Boltguns...but they are Special Weapons, thus unable to be taken by anyone who can take the relic Special Issue Ammunition.

The Shotguns and Stalkers are both listed as Special Weapons, which is strange.

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 Crimson wrote:
So about that lack of pistols, I just realised something hilarious/bloody stupid. Veterans can replace their CC weapon with a bolter for free. And they can replace their bolter with a shotgun for free. So every veteran can have BOTH a bolter and a shotgun for free! No need for pistols, you can use your free shotgun while assaulting! It would just look bloody stupid.

It's not stupid... It's cool...
If the vanguards had the option to be bought withotu JP i would good use of a foot unit of 4 vanguards 5 veterans and 1 librarian inside a LR...

Funny you should mention this. I was looking at the Vanguard entry and the unit type is "jump infantry", but if you look at the equipment list, a jump pack isn't on it —and there's no way to buy one in the wargear section. Am I missing something? It's like they planned on not making foot-slogging Vanguard an option for DW, but then forgot to add a jump pack back to the base equipment list.

 Leth wrote:
...Personally I find it more weird that people are assuming it is an error when it's the sort of thing you could do before, there was just never an advantage to do so....

Here is why I wonder if it was a mistake: There is absolutely no reason not to. What if the codex said "any space marine can replace his CCW with a lascannon for free"? Wouldn't that raise some eyebrows? Without access to bolt pistols, there is absolutely no benefit to having a CCW compared to a shotgun. None. Games creation is built on the idea of opportunity cost and/or points costs —ei. you either gain some advantages while losing others or you adjust points to compensate. If it's intentional, it makes it a horrible game choice for a games creator. If it's accidental, it's at least a little more forgivable.

Strategium Command Team:
Chaplain: Bike
7xVanguard Vets with 2xHeavy TH, 3xTH/SS, 2xPC/SS, Blackshield(the heavy TH guy), jump packs

White Scar Libby Conclave:
4xLibbies with force axe, lvl2

There you have it a fast hard hitting semi-death star that can kill GMC/SH and can HnR

My Death Masque box arrived today, can't wait to get home from work and have a look at all the cool sprues!

 SonsofVulkan wrote:
Strategium Command Team:
Chaplain: Bike
7xVanguard Vets with 2xHeavy TH, 3xTH/SS, 2xPC/SS, Blackshield(the heavy TH guy), jump packs

White Scar Libby Conclave:
4xLibbies with force axe, lvl2

There you have it a fast hard hitting semi-death star that can kill GMC/SH and can HnR

Chaplains can't take Bikes. No character in the Deathwatch book can.
Vanguard Veterans cannot be upgraded to Blackshields either.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
My Death Masque box arrived today, can't wait to get home from work and have a look at all the cool sprues!

Huh? You got a preorder in Germany from GW 2 days before it's in the stores? Last times I preordered they sended it on release date and I only had it Tuesdays or Wednesdays.....

Ragnar69 wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:
My Death Masque box arrived today, can't wait to get home from work and have a look at all the cool sprues!

Huh? You got a preorder in Germany from GW 2 days before it's in the stores? Last times I preordered they sended it on release date and I only had it Tuesdays or Wednesdays.....

Online retailer. Sends it out so you have it at release saturday IF everything goes wrong with DHL. If DHL picks it up and delivers it without problems, I have it early.
Yes, GW sends it out at release saturday. Which sucks, imo.

 SonsofVulkan wrote:
Strategium Command Team:
Chaplain: Bike
7xVanguard Vets with 2xHeavy TH, 3xTH/SS, 2xPC/SS, Blackshield(the heavy TH guy), jump packs

White Scar Libby Conclave:
4xLibbies with force axe, lvl2

There you have it a fast hard hitting semi-death star that can kill GMC/SH and can HnR

Chaplain can't take bike
Blackshield is an option only for vets and cannot have Jump packs...
Strategium command requires 1 veteran squad or one of the kill teams... all kill teams requires at least a 5 man veteran squad...
Your idea is totally non legal...