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All arguments aside, all that matters is if you are personally satisfied with what you are purchasing, as its not my intention to try and change someone's opinion. That doesn't mean I won't be snarky when someone is having an unwarranted fanboy orgasm over this crap.

For me I have no respect for GW as a company despite how much I actually like the IP. As a gamer the prices are too much and I will no longer pay such exorbitant prices.

As a modeler, I'm not impressed with what I'm seeing to be the longevity of this new product. The increased detailing seems moot give the scale and the fact you will be priming and painting these models which will reduce that detail regardless.

I saw them, and they are equal to, if not better then, FW...I have a Krieg army & when krieg minis were put next to regular plastic GW minis the detail was/is awsome...Now FW next to GW FC, the finecast stands out in detail....

Of all the blisters, I saw NO flaws in my local store....

I will say that the prices are OUTRAGEOUS! A $23 box now at $29.75? A $10 blister now $18.75? WTF GW? 5 bloodnights $99.99?
If I were to carry out my planned new second 40k army, it was going to cost me $589.32 ttl for a 2k army....NOW, same army (all finecast) will cost me $728.88 ttl....

I can buy a table top quality painted 2k army on ebay for $400 to $600 for BEEP sakes!

Danny Internets wrote:This is a tactic as old as advertising itself. It's the same reason companies use the phrase "for a limited time only" along with their "special offers" even when they plan on extending said special offer indefinitely (recent example: Subway's Five-Dollar-Foot-Longs promotion).

Yeah I can certainly think of many times I have seen this used with other companies, makes me kinda think of a company I used to work for (the entertainer) that would mark up its goods for 3 months (or so) and then reduce the prices the rest of the year just so they could say they are reduced, that it! that really what GW are doing (if only :( ).

Rymafyr wrote:All arguments aside, all that matters is if you are personally satisfied with what you are purchasing, as its not my intention to try and change someone's opinion. That doesn't mean I won't be snarky when someone is having an unwarranted fanboy orgasm over this crap.

For me I have no respect for GW as a company despite how much I actually like the IP. As a gamer the prices are too much and I will no longer pay such exorbitant prices.

As a modeler, I'm not impressed with what I'm seeing to be the longevity of this new product. The increased detailing seems moot give the scale and the fact you will be priming and painting these models which will reduce that detail regardless.

Can't argue with anything you have said here.

I am so glad I went to my FLGS and panic bought the plauge marines I was putting off until next month.
I am not a massive fan of metal models but with pinning and other practices you can get them working and held nicely.
However im not sure how to deal with a melting model and my room boils during the summer.
Any i dont like this whole finecast thing, but then ill probably end up throwing money into it soon enough.
thats where they have me i love thier designs so i will inevitably buy more.
But i have my plauge marines now so im a happy bunny

krazynadechukr wrote:If I were to carry out my planned new second 40k army, it was going to cost me $589.32 ttl for a 2k army....NOW, same army (all finecast) will cost me $728.88 ttl...

Wait... people still buy retail?

There are ways to stretch your dollar. I managed to add horde blocks of Skave Plague Monks and Stormvermin for pennies on the dollar by lowballing on eBay. Yes, it took me a couple of months but the money I saved is worth it. I also bought bits to magnatize my Screaming Bell/Plague Furnace so I could field either without having to buy two models. I finance my Finecast purchases and new armies by selling off old stuff that I don't use anymore, thus reducing the "cost of membership" to this hobby even more.

Say what you want about GW's pricing policy but it definately sustains value in the secondary market. You only have to look at WizKids and Mage Knight as an example of a company taking the opposite policy and driving investors/spectulators from the market (and the now worthess figures into the garbage bin).

Breotan wrote:

krazynadechukr wrote:If I were to carry out my planned new second 40k army, it was going to cost me $589.32 ttl for a 2k army....NOW, same army (all finecast) will cost me $728.88 ttl...

Wait... people still buy retail?

There are ways to stretch your dollar. I managed to add horde blocks of Skave Plague Monks and Stormvermin for pennies on the dollar by lowballing on eBay. Yes, it took me a couple of months but the money I saved is worth it. I also bought bits to magnatize my Screaming Bell/Plague Furnace so I could field either without having to buy two models. I finance my Finecast purchases and new armies by selling off old stuff that I don't use anymore, thus reducing the "cost of membership" to this hobby even more.

Say what you want about GW's pricing policy but it definately sustains value in the secondary market. You only have to look at WizKids and Mage Knight as an example of a company taking the opposite policy and driving investors/spectulators from the market (and the now worthess figures into the garbage bin).

Everything you buy used, someone had to buy new.

Rymafyr wrote:All arguments aside, all that matters is if you are personally satisfied with what you are purchasing, as its not my intention to try and change someone's opinion. That doesn't mean I won't be snarky when someone is having an unwarranted fanboy orgasm over this crap.

For me I have no respect for GW as a company despite how much I actually like the IP. As a gamer the prices are too much and I will no longer pay such exorbitant prices.

As a modeler, I'm not impressed with what I'm seeing to be the longevity of this new product. The increased detailing seems moot give the scale and the fact you will be priming and painting these models which will reduce that detail regardless.

Examples in other threads comparing metal and finecast models have got people puzzled as to which is which after priming.

Fun fact:
The June news poster for stores again boycotts all Finecast releases:
No Wracks, no Grotesque, no Haemunculus. And no word on any of the Tomb King releases. Of these only the Grotesques are mail order only. Stores are supposed to sell the other new models. Or maybe not. Weird (BTW the news poster only came a few days before the release).

Got my hands on a finecast for the first time the other day. The level of detail is impressive, better than metal I think. But it is bendy...

The whole 'melting in the UK sun' thing is a deal breaker for me. If it's seriously that heat sensitive, there is no way it's going to stand up to sitting in a closed house all day in the Australia summer.

No Finecast for me until they fix that little 'glitch'...

I would argue emphatically that Finecost in not better than FW. I have a full Krieg army and I have "new finecost" space marines here to compare, and there is no comparison. You, sir, are exaggerating.

Finecost looks, initially, better than metal minis, but it's barely noticeable once the paint is down. My Krieg look far and away, better than anything else I have that is made by GW, finecost included.

Seriously, get a grip, finecost is not the "HD" to our "Analog" miniatures. It's, perhaps, slightly better at holding edges out of the mold over metal models, but it's not better than FW. if anything, it is potentially as good, not better. If you really have a Krieg army, it must be composed of the worst casts FW has produced. Or, like I said, you are exaggerating.

Gorechild wrote:I don't know if its been posted yet (cba to read through 46 pages ) but has anyone noticed the addition on GW's site that appears on the screen for every finecast model?

"Due to high demand, each Citadel Finecast product is limited to 3 three per customer."

It seems that they are selling well despite all the defects, I never thought GW would try and stop people buying lots of minis!

No, because they put that on there the night they listed all the Finecast crap on the website, I saw it when I was looking at all the unpainted pics they had up. It couldn't have been "selling well" when it was just put on sale.

Thrax wrote:slightly better at holding edges out of the mold over metal models

Granted they don't take the mold with them when they come out.

Cryonicleech wrote:There's another great review on Finecast here

http://blip.tv/watching-paint-dry/citadel-finecast-review-5214720

This guy bought Marneus Calgar and Honor Guard. While some people (myself included) are worried about the quality of a single miniature, this guy's box turned out to be great, and I intend to pick up some Finecast Bolt Throwers for my Dark Elves.

That dude is a total tool.

I think the QA guys got sacked to save money, btw.

Thrax wrote:I think the QA guys got sacked to save money, btw.

Ooo, Sack the QC guys and raise prices up to 25%! Now that's a business model full o' WIN!

Rymafyr wrote:

Thrax wrote:I think the QA guys got sacked to save money, btw.

Ooo, Sack the QC guys and raise prices up to 25%! Now that's a business model full o' WIN!

Kirby approves.

Mantic switched to resin/plastic for its metal figs and doubled the quantity in the packages for the same price. PP and Mantic are getting my hobby dollars!

insaniak wrote:The whole 'melting in the UK sun' thing is a deal breaker for me. If it's seriously that heat sensitive, there is no way it's going to stand up to sitting in a closed house all day in the Australia summer.

No Finecast for me until they fix that little 'glitch'...

Same here - it is regularly 90F+ here in Massachusetts in the summer - and I'm not keeping the AC all day all summer long just so the Finecast in the house won't melt!

My AC is broken right now, it got up to 95 in my house today, and it's not even the hot part of summer yet.

Has anyone tried stripping paint off new resins?
Like simple green, does it harm the resin in any way?

Didn't someone in this thread already test the bubblecast by putting the empty sprue in his car window for a while?

For what it's worth, I think he said it didn't melt but that it did become a little softer.

Yes, I was sarcastic in saying the new GW FC are better then FW....

They are a close 2nd though....

insaniak wrote:The whole 'melting in the UK sun' thing is a deal breaker for me. If it's seriously that heat sensitive, there is no way it's going to stand up to sitting in a closed house all day in the Australia summer.

So GW boycotting all Southern customers actually is to protect them from inferior products that can't deal with the climate!
Maybe they switch to some more durable material ... like chocolate

yeah,
found this on facebook.
It's pretty cool! and shows how easy it is to bend hot finecast resin.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150314902038047

Also of note is how little bitching is going on about prices in the aussi GW stores facebook pages?
Is the outrage confined to dakka and the main GW page?
... or are they deleting membership that show contempt?

Panic.

I think the potential problem with stripping finecast is scrubbing the model with a toothbrush. Even if you manage to soften the paint without damaging the miniature, won't a toothbrush damage the fine details on the finecast models?

What's more likely is that they're just going through and deleting negative comments on their Facebook page, so it looks like everyone is happy about the prices.

Panic wrote:Also of note is how little bitching is going on about prices in the aussi GW stores facebook pages?

The store isn't the problem so no one should be having a go at them. All anger should be vented at GW HQ who actually make all the decisions the retail shops need to follow.

FrozenSoul80 wrote:

Panic wrote:Also of note is how little bitching is going on about prices in the aussi GW stores facebook pages?

The store isn't the problem so no one should be having a go at them. All anger should be vented at GW HQ who actually make all the decisions the retail shops need to follow.

Anger which will be ignored, apparently. People who have been complaining have just been getting generic e-mails that address none of their concerns or some short piece of crap by Mark Wells saying "Sorry bro."

But yeah that's how gak goes.

insaniak wrote:The whole 'melting in the UK sun' thing is a deal breaker for me. If it's seriously that heat sensitive, there is no way it's going to stand up to sitting in a closed house all day in the Australia summer.

No Finecast for me until they fix that little 'glitch'...

What you saying?? its not THAT cold over here mate!

Aduro wrote:My AC is broken right now, it got up to 95 in my house today, and it's not even the hot part of summer yet.

OMG Air-con in the HOUSE!

We just have to go sit in our cars for the 3 days a year that its hot! and yeah its only hot for 30 mins then it rains, then its hot then it snows. then rains again.

Bloody English Weather

Interesting blog article on melting finecast.....


http://thefrontlinegamer.blogspot.com/2011/06/dont-leave-finecast-in-sun.html#comments

and the related thread on The Miniatures Page

http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=232623