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I guess it'd work if they joined each other later instead of slowing down the saint. Just seems better with seraphim.

Wonder if the change will make my scs good. Still like it even though there are clearly much better choices.

Fair point on the penitent engines, they're certainly fun to put in someone's face ^^




have a Sororitas metal song of disputable quality

Was hoping for some help getting back into 40K, since I last played years ago I've noticed units people are running in SoB have changed significantly. Would love some feedback about what I might be looking to acquire to catch up with the times!

Currently have roughly the following...

2x Cannoness
4x BSS with primarily flamers + heavy flamers... Might have a couple meltas
4x rhinos (and I think I have the immo kits still, see a lot of those being run)
3x exorcists
~10x seraphim with some dual flamers pistols, some inferno pistols, and some vss kitted for cc

Thoughts on what I should keep my eyes out for? If I'm not too many additions away from a competitive list I'd love l return to playing sisters, but even a couple years ago they were expensive, if I've got <50% of what I'd field I'll sell these and do some army in plastic...

At this time, there is no reason to go with a Canoness, let alone two. In the WD Codex, HQ characters are not priced reasonably. Special Characters are cheap and so, so much better than the regular characters. Celestine is one of the best and cheapest SC out there. The only thing against using here is the fluff.

I use redmptionists with eviserators as my DCA.
The best models I ever painted so after the got yanked back in 5th?
I just kept them and now they are my DCA.

CT GAMER wrote:I really hate how they neutered the arcos...

They were a fun and characterful unit that had just the right amount of randomness and quirky rules to make them interesting and unique.

I hope they backtrack in the future codex:SOB and make them cool again...

I used them back in the day, but they were mostly for fun. I agree they didn't figure out what to do with them this go around - DCA took over the power weapons role, and arco just didn't get enough in return. I could see them as a good fluffy option for the zealot USR in the future - or just increasing their toughness a bit might give them some kind of role. Conversely, if it turns out that DCA can only take power swords, Arco gain a bit - weight of attacks gives them a bit better chance of putting wounds onto TEQ's or damaging vehicles then DCA, and they still do better against hordes as well.

StMariusz wrote:Was hoping for some help getting back into 40K, since I last played years ago I've noticed units people are running in SoB have changed significantly. Would love some feedback about what I might be looking to acquire to catch up with the times!

Currently have roughly the following...

2x Cannoness
4x BSS with primarily flamers + heavy flamers... Might have a couple meltas
4x rhinos (and I think I have the immo kits still, see a lot of those being run)
3x exorcists
~10x seraphim with some dual flamers pistols, some inferno pistols, and some vss kitted for cc

Thoughts on what I should keep my eyes out for? If I'm not too many additions away from a competitive list I'd love l return to playing sisters, but even a couple years ago they were expensive, if I've got <50% of what I'd field I'll sell these and do some army in plastic...

The other comment about Canonesses is essentially correct; she's the worst choice available in HQ. Truly awful.

Battle Sisters are required - there's no way around it. Sad but true.

Dominions are perhaps the best of the infantry units; a good choice. The only reason to not play three units of Dominions is if you play two and one unit of Seraphim. There is NO reason to not play at least two units of Dominions.

Seraphim are usable with Celestine. They aren't terrific even with her, but they're playable. In some situations, they can do good things. It probably helps if you remember some of their abilities, like the ones I keep forgetting about. It would probably also help if you have ANY luck at all - I don't seem to.

Celestine is spectacular for her points cost; she's not a combat beat stick but she has potentially game-winning special abilities.

Exorcists are a solid choice. Some people play heavy-bolter Retributors, but I never leave home without all three Exorcists.

The two named Ecclesiarchy characters have some good rules, but there aren't great units for them to accompany any more. Uriah and the Battle Conclave were superstars in 5th edition, but the new rules have rendered them dubious choices.

The new ally rules open endless possibilities, especially the possibility of having some non-sucking troops. You can also add some extra firepower or some real close-combat capability.

canadianguy wrote:I use redmptionists with eviserators as my DCA.
The best models I ever painted so after the got yanked back in 5th?
I just kept them and now they are my DCA.

I have a ton of reds but im not a fan of this proxy/counts as. Eviserators aren't even close to double pw.


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Uriah plus guard blob is win.

pretre wrote:Uriah plus guard blob is win.

One has to admit, it's appealing.

pretre wrote:And named upgrade character for a BSS squad. Wacky.

A named Battle Sister Superior is not really different than Lukas the Trickster or Scout Sergeant Telion. Not too wacky...

Valete,

JohnS

Right, but we have never had one before. I wasn't saying named upgrade characters are wacky just a sisters one.

pretre wrote:Right, but we have never had one before. I wasn't saying named upgrade characters are wacky just a sisters one.

We never had a *lot* of things before, so a "real" Codex would be all kinds of "wacky" then!

Valete,

JohnS

We have had plenty, including a real codex, before.

Speaking of Codexes (Codexii? Codex? Codexes?) according to my FLGS and supplemented by this annoyingly sparse link as a "source" http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2010/06/23/37194/

GW has released Codex Witchhunters for free download. I've been poking my nose around for awhile and can't seem to find it, any one got confirmation?

Dude, that was over two years ago. It's been dropped.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:Speaking of Codexes (Codexii? Codex? Codexes?)

Codices is the plural form of Codex, as per Merriam-Webster's.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:Speaking of Codexes (Codexii? Codex? Codexes?) according to my FLGS and supplemented by this annoyingly sparse link as a "source" http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2010/06/23/37194/

GW has released Codex Witchhunters for free download. I've been poking my nose around for awhile and can't seem to find it, any one got confirmation?

If you want it I'm sure you can find it somewhere on the web, but as an out of date codex it's been pulled from the GW site. It was a free download before the new codex replaced it though, so confirmed it is.

Tagboard Wizard wrote:

KalashnikovMarine wrote:Speaking of Codexes (Codexii? Codex? Codexes?)

Codices is the plural form of Codex, as per Merriam-Webster's.

Thank you

and someone sent me the link the other day, so I didn't really bother checking the date. I figured it'd just be nice to have the fluff.

I know this is probably the wrong thread to be posting this in, but does anyone know a good tutorial for a church organ style conversion for the Exorcist? I see plenty that put Missle launchers on a rhino, but, if I wanted a whirlwind, I would be playing my Space Marines...

The current model for the Exorcist is just fine for that IMO. No real need to convert really.


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Doesn't get much more Church organ than that:

Ironically I went the exact opposite direction. I hate the look of the church organ and prefer a more militant look for my girls. I just got a pair of Immolators (one old kit, one new) ready to go, modified with a few bits here and there, and then took an old school whirlwind missile pod, modified slightly, on to a new whirlwind (both had an Iron Warriors theme) stripped, sanctified and sister-fied, then did the same thing to a very beat up rhino that needed some mercy. I love conversions, nothing quite like taking a second hand model and with some TLC, impact engineering, bitz and paint making it so the original owner wouldn't recognize it if it bit him.

well, two problems with the pewter model. Firstly, it's Pewter and expensive, I'm sure with the addition of some very repetitive shapes and such to a basic rhino, there must be a means for me to let loose my Wizardry, I just like getting heads up from other who have done the same so I can learn pitfalls and expand my goody bag with tricks.

Secondly, my army isn't a standard sisters army, in fact, it's an all male unit, so the Fluer iconography and other sistery-ness is a no-go for me. I'm not getting a complicated multi-part heavy awkward pewter model that sticks out like a sore thumb... even... even if it's job is to chill in the back...

Tagboard Wizard wrote:Secondly, my army isn't a standard sisters army, in fact, it's an all male unit, so the Fluer iconography and other sistery-ness is a no-go for me. I'm not getting a complicated multi-part heavy awkward pewter model that sticks out like a sore thumb... even... even if it's job is to chill in the back...

Woah woah woah! An all-male Sisters army with no fleurs-de-lis? Where's the Moderator??? Someone ban this man!!!

Wait, so they are 3 across the board marines? Yeck.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:Ironically I went the exact opposite direction. I hate the look of the church organ and prefer a more militant look for my girls. I just got a pair of Immolators (one old kit, one new) ready to go, modified with a few bits here and there, and then took an old school whirlwind missile pod, modified slightly, on to a new whirlwind (both had an Iron Warriors theme) stripped, sanctified and sister-fied, then did the same thing to a very beat up rhino that needed some mercy. I love conversions, nothing quite like taking a second hand model and with some TLC, impact engineering, bitz and paint making it so the original owner wouldn't recognize it if it bit him.

This exactly, I intensely dislike the church organ, it is pretty but as a painter it scares the bejesus out of me to even consider attempting to paint let alone three of them and that price....eeeeehhhh....

I much rather prefer slapping some kind of missile launcher on top of a rhino because that's basically all it is, I want my army to at least look somewhat utilitarian, 3 war organs kind of mess with that, and the paint job I'd do one them would not do the organ models justice.

Besides what difference really is there between a SM whirlwind and the FW exorcist?

pzbw7z wrote:

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:We are still limited in many ways by our available choices, especially in our only troop choice. Some people see our BSS as a tax we pay to take the good stuff, and I am generally inclined to agree.

The Battle Sisters are still an albatross around the lists neck, one of the worst troop units in the game. A absolutely awful piece of game design.

I'll agree that the BSS is probably the worst unit in a competitive Sisters list, but 6th has certainly made them better.

Being able to move the unit w/o having to move the heavy weapon, is a big plus. There were a couple of occasions in my recent games where I was able to essentially make a full advance with a BSS, but then shoot my Multi-Melta at a Rhino or something. Being able to move and fire bolters 24" is a pretty big deal as well. The combination of these two elements means that you can do a "tactical advance" with your foot troops.

That leads me to my next point. I'm very close to going "all in" on foot Sisters. No longer being able to score from a vehicle and the usefulness of extended bolter range makes a difference. They are vulnerable to assault, but it's easier to keep your distance now. I had a good bit of success keeping a little base with my Heavies and my BSSs then sending my Fast Attacks out to start some . Fasts go for denial and the Troops grab objectives in the late game.

I think the biggest problem with our Troops in 6th is how much they cost. My foot units were 150pts each. That means that we have to make a large point investment before we can start to bring in allied troops. I'm interested to try allying with some tough troops like Grey Knights or Deathwing.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:Speaking of Codexes (Codexii? Codex? Codexes?)

Codices, though GW likes to ignore that and call them codexes at times.

Tagboard Wizard wrote:well, two problems with the pewter model. Firstly, it's Pewter and expensive, I'm sure with the addition of some very repetitive shapes and such to a basic rhino, there must be a means for me to let loose my Wizardry, I just like getting heads up from other who have done the same so I can learn pitfalls and expand my goody bag with tricks.

Secondly, my army isn't a standard sisters army, in fact, it's an all male unit, so the Fluer iconography and other sistery-ness is a no-go for me. I'm not getting a complicated multi-part heavy awkward pewter model that sticks out like a sore thumb... even... even if it's job is to chill in the back...

So something like IST? Cool. Anyway you could probably build one yourself out of plastic tubes. Or maybe take a cue from this.

It is an artillery piece anyway.


I'm not going to lie, despite liking the actual model I'd still suggest trying to build it yourself from the Immolator before grabbing the actual kit.
I got one just out of liking it itself, though I liked the part where the background called them unique works of art so try to make mine all look different.

Dervos wrote:

KalashnikovMarine wrote:Ironically I went the exact opposite direction. I hate the look of the church organ and prefer a more militant look for my girls. I just got a pair of Immolators (one old kit, one new) ready to go, modified with a few bits here and there, and then took an old school whirlwind missile pod, modified slightly, on to a new whirlwind (both had an Iron Warriors theme) stripped, sanctified and sister-fied, then did the same thing to a very beat up rhino that needed some mercy. I love conversions, nothing quite like taking a second hand model and with some TLC, impact engineering, bitz and paint making it so the original owner wouldn't recognize it if it bit him.

This exactly, I intensely dislike the church organ, it is pretty but as a painter it scares the bejesus out of me to even consider attempting to paint let alone three of them and that price....eeeeehhhh....

I much rather prefer slapping some kind of missile launcher on top of a rhino because that's basically all it is, I want my army to at least look somewhat utilitarian, 3 war organs kind of mess with that, and the paint job I'd do one them would not do the organ models justice.

Besides what difference really is there between a SM whirlwind and the FW exorcist?

About $20 from what I can tell. The FW Exorcist doesn't even come with the SoB doors and front piece. Buy two discount whirlwinds on ebay, order the bits or get creative with Fleur de Lis from other sources like I did with mine:


and you get a perfectly functional and slightly more militant looking Exorcist.

I'd also like to challenge the above statement from the gentleman with the all male sisters army (figure that one out!) that Fleur de Lis aren't manly and awesome.




The Musketeers would like a word with you.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:The Musketeers would like a word with you.

No disrespect to the Musketeers, but uh...

Ugh, that is so wrong. Is the exorcist really still pewter? I might have to re-consider taking 2 of them then. Sounds like a modelling nightmare in its own right. T^T