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pretre wrote:Lemme just leave this here:

Rumored Release in late 2013:

- Sisters of Battle Canoness with Power Axe
- Sisters of Battle Seraphim / Patronica Squad
- Sisters of Battle Battle Sisters
- Sisters of Battle Exorcist / Catafalque of Sins
- Sisters of Battle Prioress Lazarea Verata
- Sisters of Battle Sister Superior Magdalenia
- Sisters of Battle Repentia Squad

mmmmm Named Canoness are coming

And named upgrade character for a BSS squad. Wacky.

For some reason I just get the feeling they'd be more of a supportive/defensive role.

Patronica squad also sounds interesting as does the thing they put in with the Exorcist. The bigger question for that being will it be better.

pretre wrote:And named upgrade character for a BSS squad. Wacky.

Waterfall!

Sigh... no heavy armor still though, I mean if we're gonna have a wish list of hopes and dreams they could stick that land raider with the inferno cannons on there for us

I really hate how they neutered the arcos...

They were a fun and characterful unit that had just the right amount of randomness and quirky rules to make them interesting and unique.

I hope they backtrack in the future codex:SOB and make them cool again...

Old arcos killed themselves as much as the enemy didn't they? Wasn't a fan. Still don't run them now though.


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Oh an no land raiders! We aren't marines with boobs...

I dont has anyone tried to run them. Now with the Mixed armor if you screen them with your Crusaders I think you would have a much better chance to get them into CC. Before you used to just take them off the back . With 4 crusaders they have the ability to soak up a lot of wounds that would have gone straight to the BC.

We aren't marines with boobs, we're a whole hell of a lot more awesome AND we have boobs. But it's not like they're going to give us new heavy armor so we need to be willing to take what we can beg, borrow and if that ultramarine isn't watching closely steal.


....crap this reminds me of the /actual/ Marine Corps. "Hey that soldier's asleep on post!" "Sweet get the boys together and send a runner to the general, we have a new tank battalion!"

KalashnikovMarine wrote:We aren't marines with boobs, we're a whole hell of a lot more awesome AND we have boobs. But it's not like they're going to give us new heavy armor so we need to be willing to take what we can beg, borrow and if that ultramarine isn't watching closely steal.


....crap this reminds me of the /actual/ Marine Corps. "Hey that soldier's asleep on post!" "Sweet get the boys together and send a runner to the general, we have a new tank battalion!"

How about a redeemer variant with a shrine on top?

So we are almost at the 1 year anniversary of our WD codex and I wanted to do a kind of "Where are we now?" thing.

I will be one of the first to admit that I initially thought the sky was falling when I first saw what we got as a replacement for C:WH. I was appalled to say the least and was willing to go as far as to convince our local TO's to continue to let me use C:WH over, what I thought at the time, that abomination that was our new codex.

Looking back, I can see how my feelings were not entirely justified, even more so with the change to 6th. Much of what I thought made the codex bad was negated entirely or even improved with 6th dropping and I can see now how it appears that some of that design was intentional, or seems that way to me, on the part of the design. Seraphim's nerf to I3? Still a nerf, but definitely mitigated by being able to use St. Celestine's I7 for Hit and Run (for one squad at least). Rage still on Penitent Engines and Repentia? Much better now in 6th.

Now it is not all good. We are still limited in many ways by our available choices, especially in our only troop choice. Some people see our BSS as a tax we pay to take the good stuff, and I am generally inclined to agree. With the changes to 6th, Uriah Bomb and Battle Conclaves in general took a hit with the transport rules and our continued lack of an assault vehicle.

As Amerikon is showing us with his current batreps, Sisters can still be competitive at a GT level in 6th. And with the current ongoing rumors, we may be looking at a "for reals" codex here sooner than any of us initially thought with plastics as a good possibility too.

So that is where I see SoB standing right now at just about a year into our current incarnation. Thoughts?

GW releasing a power axe version of the canonness should hopefully put to rest the discussion whether power weapon means we can use all 3 types.

*Drool* Maybe I'll keep my Fraternis Templar army and be unique amoungst the SoB players instead of new...

Ah, who am I kidding... I'm going to make this army three times if I have too...

Shandara wrote:GW releasing a power axe version of the canonness should hopefully put to rest the discussion whether power weapon means we can use all 3 types.

That issues the point. People aren't saying that they don't exist, just that you can't freely swap them.

pretre wrote:

Shandara wrote:GW releasing a power axe version of the canonness should hopefully put to rest the discussion whether power weapon means we can use all 3 types.

That issues the point. People aren't saying that they don't exist, just that you can't freely swap them.

I find that extremely silly if you couldn't especially when so many vehicles have multi weapon choices that people attach magnets to their vehicles so they can switch out their armaments without having to buy and build a whole nother model just to represent a different weapon.

There may not be a power axe version right now but that hasn't stopped people in the past from converting their models so why the huff over the power weapons for SOB?

It seems pretty cut and dry for me but maybe im missing something about this?

I'm not going to replicate te argument here, but suffice to say that some vehemently disagree with the notion that you are freely allowed to remodel a mini to change the PW type.

Dervos wrote:I find that extremely silly if you couldn't especially when so many vehicles have multi weapon choices that people attach magnets to their vehicles so they can switch out their armaments without having to buy and build a whole nother model just to represent a different weapon.

There may not be a power axe version right now but that hasn't stopped people in the past from converting their models so why the huff over the power weapons for SOB?

It seems pretty cut and dry for me but maybe im missing something about this?

pretre wrote:I'm not going to replicate te argument here, but suffice to say that some vehemently disagree with the notion that you are freely allowed to remodel a mini to change the PW type.

Mainly because of DCA and modeling them to have both a Power Sword and Power Axe or Maul so they get the best of both worlds depending on what you happen to be facing at that moment. Frankly, I'm just pissed about possibly buying another 20 of those to do so as I'm unwilling to chop up my other ones (they are such beautiful models IMO).

I can't imagine buying 20 DCA, or painting them. I like the model and they really are lovely sculpts but it's the same issue I have with Crusaders in the end, there's only two of them. Clones are boring.

I already have 20 of them. I'm lamenting about buying 20 MORE of them to cut up.

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:So we are almost at the 1 year anniversary of our WD codex and I wanted to do a kind of "Where are we now?" thing.

I will be one of the first to admit that I initially thought the sky was falling when I first saw what we got as a replacement for C:WH. I was appalled to say the least and was willing to go as far as to convince our local TO's to continue to let me use C:WH over, what I thought at the time, that abomination that was our new codex.

Looking back, I can see how my feelings were not entirely justified, even more so with the change to 6th. Much of what I thought made the codex bad was negated entirely or even improved with 6th dropping and I can see now how it appears that some of that design was intentional, or seems that way to me, on the part of the design. Seraphim's nerf to I3? Still a nerf, but definitely mitigated by being able to use St. Celestine's I7 for Hit and Run (for one squad at least). Rage still on Penitent Engines and Repentia? Much better now in 6th.

Now it is not all good. We are still limited in many ways by our available choices, especially in our only troop choice. Some people see our BSS as a tax we pay to take the good stuff, and I am generally inclined to agree. With the changes to 6th, Uriah Bomb and Battle Conclaves in general took a hit with the transport rules and our continued lack of an assault vehicle.

As Amerikon is showing us with his current batreps, Sisters can still be competitive at a GT level in 6th. And with the current ongoing rumors, we may be looking at a "for reals" codex here sooner than any of us initially thought with plastics as a good possibility too.

So that is where I see SoB standing right now at just about a year into our current incarnation. Thoughts?

I thought the list was better under 5th. Many of the things that got better in 6th still don't strike me as good, and the nerf to the Conclave is a big hit. I still haven't figured out what I'm going to do. Celestine was pretty good before, but has become even better. Uriah was nearly an auto-include before and now he's second fiddle - maybe third.

The Battle Sisters are still an albatross around the lists neck, one of the worst troop units in the game. A absolutely awful piece of game design.

The new list has always struck me as very competitive at 1,500 points, I think I lost one game at that level, and that was due to wacky table quarter rules and some bad luck (and maybe a bit of tardiness getting moving) but I hammered the guy on KP. I would have matched my 1,500-point list against anybody in 5th edition.

I think a little less of it now, but I still think it's very competitive at that level. I'm just not sure what to do for larger games. Allies may be the answer, but I keep thinking, "Why not just play that army instead?"

The new stuff is exciting and not just the SoB stuff - that rumor dump is HUGE and there is a lot of cool-sounding stuff for several armies.

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:I already have 20 of them. I'm lamenting about buying 20 MORE of them to cut up.

Wyches plus purity seals plus flagellant bits plus any source of swords. I hve about 15 or so.

pzbw7z wrote:I thought the list was better under 5th. Many of the things that got better in 6th still don't strike me as good, and the nerf to the Conclave is a big hit. I still haven't figured out what I'm going to do. Celestine was pretty good before, but has become even better. Uriah was nearly an auto-include before and now he's second fiddle - maybe third.

The Battle Sisters are still an albatross around the lists neck, one of the worst troop units in the game. A absolutely awful piece of game design.

The new list has always struck me as very competitive at 1,500 points, I think I lost one game at that level, and that was due to wacky table quarter rules and some bad luck (and maybe a bit of tardiness getting moving) but I hammered the guy on KP. I would have matched my 1,500-point list against anybody in 5th edition.

I think a little less of it now, but I still think it's very competitive at that level. I'm just not sure what to do for larger games. Allies may be the answer, but I keep thinking, "Why not just play that army instead?"

The new stuff is exciting and not just the SoB stuff - that rumor dump is HUGE and there is a lot of cool-sounding stuff for several armies.

I'll mostly agree, but I think we got better in 6th. It is my contention that the Battle Conclave was probably too good for 5th. I think that Repentia can still fill that niche much better now. We do tend to perform at lower points, like 1500, comparatively, but I think we still scale well up to 2k in all areas except for troops. That is somewhat mitigated by having two scenarios where FA/HS are scoring too. Two of our best slots that couldn't do so in 5th. So there is that too.


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pretre wrote:

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:I already have 20 of them. I'm lamenting about buying 20 MORE of them to cut up.

Wyches plus purity seals plus flagellant bits plus any source of swords. I hve about 15 or so.

Understood and all good for you and others. Me? I'm a stickler for using the "official" models even if they aren't 100% WYSIWYG (I'm looking at you DCA with one sword).

pretre wrote:

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:I already have 20 of them. I'm lamenting about buying 20 MORE of them to cut up.

Wyches plus purity seals plus flagellant bits plus any source of swords. I hve about 15 or so.

I have four of those, they work nicely,

In my two Battle Conclaves, I have four GW Death Cultists, one Escher, one slightly converted Callidus, one heavily converted metal Wych with metal SoB head, and several plastic Wyches. The Crusaders are all Sisters of Sigmar. Cool units; now they take up space at the bottom of the case and add weight. I hear Coteaz might be hiring.

I'm trying out my BC as a midfield anchor, works okay so far. Event on the 18tg should say more.

Ok so the post with actual information got deleted instead of the post that said double post because THAT makes sense.

Anyway what I was trying to say was I feel like the battle conclave has fallen to the wayside with the introduction of 6th edition, they still fill a role SOB need but they aren't as useful I feel as they were. So I've kinda followed other player's lead by dropping Uriah and the conclave in favor of just using saint celestine.

It always felt weird using them even though they are useful in a SOB army, they are inquistion troops but still felt odd for some reason

I have four converted wyches as mentioned above, one standard DC and a Callidus. Three standard crusaders, and Sister Analiese who was selected for the Crusaders from my Order of Sisters per the fluff. Actually a paladin from Hasslefree where I got my wings for Celestine

Has anyone considered attaching Celestine to a Repentia Squad? She could provide them with a 2+ save in front, and they would give the Saint their AoF. (Granted, it isn't too common to kill Celestine before she attacks, with her high Initiative.) In the regular movement phase, they’ll slow Celestine down, but her Jump Pack and their Fleet would mesh well together for assaulting. Make it a large squad, and you have a squad that seems like it would take on Warlords and their Retinues rather well, even if they are hiding in a building.

I just haven’t been having great luck with my Seraphim lately, and though the Hand Flamers are rather useful, I might have a bit of an Eviscerator fetish… Unless I hear resounding shouts of “No, don’t leave our beloved Saint in close proximity with those sinners,” I’ll try this out next chance I have.

It doesn't sound like an entirely terrible idea, but St. Celestine does work so much better with Seraphim. That and with the Mistress leading the Repentia the same way, they'll have a 3+/FnP model in front to boot. Since they are already Fearless, I just don't think they help each other as much as one would think. And slowing down St. Celestine just seems like a bad idea. But try it out and see how it works.

I think it's got potential, maybe combine that with a stabby BC and Jacobius up the front, fire support from the sides, could probably give some serious issues to more assaulty armies.

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:
It doesn't sound like an entirely terrible idea, but St. Celestine does work so much better with Seraphim. That and with the Mistress leading the Repentia the same way, they'll have a 3+/FnP model in front to boot. Since they are already Fearless, I just don't think they help each other as much as one would think. And slowing down St. Celestine just seems like a bad idea. But try it out and see how it works.

The 3+/FNP is useful, but I'd rather use the Mistress as a placeholder for Celestine in the event she's too lazy to stand back up. Sure, I'm losing out on a chance to spread Fearless, but I swear my Battle Sisters already have it, and I don't really need it anywhere else. I've used Celestaphim to great effect before, but I'd rather try something new. I also don't consider it to be slowing Celestine down too much, seeing as how I'll really only be missing out on 6" for a turn or two, depending on how the enemy deployed. It isn't a perfect combo, but I'm gonna give it a whirl.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I think it's got potential, maybe combine that with a stabby BC and Jacobius up the front, fire support from the sides, could probably give some serious issues to more assaulty armies.

Instead of using Jacobus and his Conclave, I have my three trusty Penitent Engines, as well as two Dominion Squads that clear the way. I never really liked the Conclave, just didn't scream Battle Sisters to me. If we could still field Inquisitors (without the mandatory 100pt Strike Squad), I might consider them, but for now I'll stick with my Sinnerbots.