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The grav tank is popular in 30k so if you already have it why not try it out?

 mrhappyface wrote:

RogueApiary wrote:
Anyone try out any of the FW toys yet? Am looking really hard at that grav battle tank or the transport tank.

They're all experimental rules though aren't they? No point splashing out on a £100+ model before their full rules are released and/or something better gets released with it in the new Imperial Armour.

That's the crux, yeah. I was going to suggest the giant, flying, troop transport Forgeworld has just for the Custodes if you want to change the Landraider. You run that very risk with beta rules though.

 Primark G wrote:
You are my straight man today. You might have more success if you ever learn how to politely request.

Then please explain, to everyone in the thread, what makes the Blood Games Strategem situational.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
You are my straight man today. You might have more success if you ever learn how to politely request.

Then please explain, to everyone in the thread, what makes the Blood Games Strategem situational.

I used to skip out when I was running my all bike gimmick list. 5 CPs were just too few to spend 2 at the start. But with beefed up CPs, there's never a reason NOT to take it.

Here is another example - what if you are running a patrol detachment in a 500 point escalation league?

 Primark G wrote:
Here is another example - what if you are running a patrol detachment in a 500 point escalation league?

You still use it to make your Biker Captain hard to kill and therefore never give up Slay The Warlord?

Okay so you don't understand but that is okay.

In most cases Victor of the Blood Games is a good buy, but consider that you’ll really only be using the re-roll for saves when figuring out how much you’ll use it. You already re-roll hits (WS/BS 2+ re-rolling 1s) and a bike re-rolls wounds on the charge. So for instance, if you shield him behind other units the whole game and then charge guardsmen, you might not get the benefit out of those re-rolls. In a game last night against space wolves/IG I used my bike shield-captain’s re-roll once in 6 turns...because he just never got targeted (not even when he charged Bjorn with another bike squad). Most of the time though you’ll at least break even, and if you’re going to duel other melee units VOTBG is a must-take.

It’s best used to reroll a save IMO.

 Primark G wrote:
Okay so you don't understand but that is okay.

You're not gonna use the CP for anything else but rerolls at that point level. Just admit you made a bad comment please.

My example was a 500 point patrol mission. Shield-Captain on a bike is close to half your points.

 Primark G wrote:
My example was a 500 point patrol mission. Shield-Captain on a bike is close to half your points.

But he isn't, and you might as well ensure the enemy is dead. And at that point level with Hurricane Bolters being rocked I don't think it's a hard choice.

 Primark G wrote:
My example was a 500 point patrol mission. Shield-Captain on a bike is close to half your points.

1/3 actually...
And its not even a good argument. Reroll a dice for half your army sounds like a great deal to me.

You always disagree.

There seems to be a bit of conflict in this tactica...

Lets just agree that biker captains are probably the best model in the game atm. If you could build an army of nothing but them you probably would.


Completely unfluffy, but meh.


+++ Dream Team (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [108 PL, 2000pts] +++

++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Open the Vaults (1 Relic)

+ HQ +

Shield Captain in Allarus Terminator Armor: Castellan Axe, Misericordia, Praetorian Plate

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike: Hurricane Bolter

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike: Hurricane Bolter

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike: Auric Aquilis, Hurricane Bolter, Misericordia, Radiant Mantle, Warlord

+ Elites +

Vexillus Praetor: Misericordia, Storm Shield, Vexilla Magnifica

++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) ++

+ HQ +

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike: Hurricane Bolter

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike: Hurricane Bolter

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike: Hurricane Bolter

+ Elites +

Vexillus Praetor in Allarus Terminator Armor: Vexilla Imperius

++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) ++

+ HQ +

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike: Hurricane Bolter

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike: Hurricane Bolter

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike: Hurricane Bolter

+ Elites +

Vexillus Praetor: Misericordia, Storm Shield, Vexilla Magnifica




I'd run this list if the rule of 3 wasnt a thing.

You forgot to mount the Vexilla on a dawneagle.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
Lets just agree that biker captains are probably the best model in the game atm. If you could build an army of nothing but them you probably would.


Completely unfluffy, but meh.

They're... not.

They're good, because of the fact that they're t6 and fast, but they're far from the best model in the game. This argument is like the Tau boogeyman from 7th. People thought they were better than they were.

Not only that, but an army of nothing but Captains would be hilariously ineffective against any army with chaff to throw at it.

Bike Captains are the best Custodes unit, but far from the best unit in the game.

@mrhappyface unfortunately there has been quite a bit of senseless clashing in here lately.

I would call the basic biker better then the captain.
6 captains costs as much as 1 captain + 9 bikers.

4 more hurricane bolters, 11 more cc attacks.1 wound more.

The captain is great, no doubt about it but just 1 attack more then a basic bike means you lose a lot of on offensive output comparatively.

I agree, the rerolling 1's, 7 wounds, and extra attack for SCs have been worth it in games I have played.

Most of my lists start with:

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike
Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike
3-5 Vertus Praetors

It never steers me wrong, the jetbikes are gross and the best relic (imo) in the codex is biker only.

Question for any willing to offer their input. I am playing the 10 bike list for an upcoming 1000 pt event. Would you run Superior Creation or Radiant Mantle?

My thought is that Radiant Mantle may have an edge in this case because my goal is to take care of hordes/infantry blobs.

Additionally, my teammate is bringing Guard and will have 4 Leman Russ, do you think a Salvo Launcher on the SC is even worth the points, or should I just load another squad up with misericordia?

One Shield Captain is essential.

Multiples, though, are better served in general by taking more regular Bikers.

KampfKrote wrote:
I agree, the rerolling 1's, 7 wounds, and extra attack for SCs have been worth it in games I have played.

Most of my lists start with:

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike
Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike
3-5 Vertus Praetors

It never steers me wrong, the jetbikes are gross and the best relic (imo) in the codex is biker only.

Question for any willing to offer their input. I am playing the 10 bike list for an upcoming 1000 pt event. Would you run Superior Creation or Radiant Mantle?

My thought is that Radiant Mantle may have an edge in this case because my goal is to take care of hordes/infantry blobs.

Additionally, my teammate is bringing Guard and will have 4 Leman Russ, do you think a Salvo Launcher on the SC is even worth the points, or should I just load another squad up with misericordia?

You can't take 3 units of bikes at 1k tournaments.

 mrhappyface wrote:

KampfKrote wrote:
I agree, the rerolling 1's, 7 wounds, and extra attack for SCs have been worth it in games I have played.

Most of my lists start with:

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike
Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike
3-5 Vertus Praetors

It never steers me wrong, the jetbikes are gross and the best relic (imo) in the codex is biker only.

Question for any willing to offer their input. I am playing the 10 bike list for an upcoming 1000 pt event. Would you run Superior Creation or Radiant Mantle?

My thought is that Radiant Mantle may have an edge in this case because my goal is to take care of hordes/infantry blobs.

Additionally, my teammate is bringing Guard and will have 4 Leman Russ, do you think a Salvo Launcher on the SC is even worth the points, or should I just load another squad up with misericordia?

You can't take 3 units of bikes at 1k tournaments.

Sure you can. 3 Units of Bikes and 1 Captain is only 970.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

Sure you can. 3 Units of Bikes and 1 Captain is only 970.

Tournament rules mean you can only take a maximum of 2 of each unit at 1000pts.

That entirely depends on the event. Giving that he said "teammate" im willing to bet this is a doubles event, which is two 1k lists combined for a normal 2k game.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
That entirely depends on the event. Giving that he said "teammate" im willing to bet this is a doubles event, which is two 1k lists combined for a normal 2k game.

I'm going to a doubles tournament in a month and they're ruling that each 1k half is it's own army for all rules including unit cap.

But you're right; it is an event by event basis. You should check the events pack to make sure.

I will concede your point is equally as likely.

And, as always, I agree on checking your event pack.

I just clarified with the TO and it appears they’re limiting it to 2 per detachment. Unfortunate as it means I have to update my list accordingly.

A patrol of bike captain, 4 guard, 7 bikes fits nicely.
Or you can drop a guard and bring a bunch of Misericordia