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Right behind you.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Legion-specific destroyer rules sound cool, but this was a waste of a legion dispatch article.

Serious question:
What do you expect them to do? Use it to reveal the leaked Heresy box?

Because it looks more and more and more like that was intended for the Heresy Open Day in October.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Marshal Loss wrote:
Legion-specific destroyer rules sound cool, but this was a waste of a legion dispatch article.

Serious question:
What do you expect them to do? Use it to reveal the leaked Heresy box?

Because it looks more and more and more like that was intended for the Heresy Open Day in October.

Makes sense.

   
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Right behind you.

I get that it's feeling like a drag on it just being "hurry up and release it!!!", but if it's as Big Deal as it looked to be?

That's not something they should just rush and throw out there IMO.
   
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And they still have the horrendous rad-phage rule, among the most useless rules in 30K. Horrible unit for their cost.

Simple fix to actually make destroyers scary and useful:

-A unit that suffers hits caused by a rad-missile launcher (or any weapon with the rad-phage special rule) suffers a -1 modifier to their toughness value until the next shooting phase. This modifier is cumulative with other modifiers such as the effects of Rad Grenades and the Enfeeble psychic power.

This would make the weapon worth the price, allowing the bolt pistols in the squad to do increased damage (since they're described as using special radioactive rounds which have no rules in place to represent this), and then allow the destroyers to charge in after shooting and use their rad grenades to effectively drop marine toughness to 2.

Destroyers would actually be an intimidating unit to face if this change was implemented. And it would be an interesting gameplay shift to focus on killing through debuffing rather than plasma veteran spam.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Marshal Loss wrote:
Legion-specific destroyer rules sound cool, but this was a waste of a legion dispatch article.

Serious question:
What do you expect them to do? Use it to reveal the leaked Heresy box?

Because it looks more and more and more like that was intended for the Heresy Open Day in October.


This is the first legion dispatch article (it being the 6th) to not reveal a new model, after previous iterations have shown us Maloghurst, Argel Tal, 2x Imperial Fist Praetors, 1x SoH Praetor, and 2x Ultramarine Praetors. All it does is 1) tell us that a unit released c. 8 years ago will be restocked soon and 2) that we'll get some kind of vague rules content in one or more already announced free campaign supplements at an unspecified date in the future. I don't expect and have never expected something that large to be shown in a random WHC article, but there's plenty of design space for a monthly article between "nothing new whatsoever" and "showing a giant setting-changing release" so let's not act like disappointment is an unjustifiable response.

The event in October is not and has never been a "Heresy Open Day".

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 Kanluwen wrote:

Serious question:
What do you expect them to do? Use it to reveal the leaked Heresy box?

Frankly, yes. We know it is coming, so any article that is not it is basically just a disappointment.

   
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And if the box is shown then all people will do is complain about why the box isn't out yet. Literally doesn't make a difference to anyone at GW what happens because people will complain regardless.
   
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Right behind you.

 Marshal Loss wrote:

This is the first legion dispatch article (it being the 6th) to not reveal a new model, after previous iterations have shown us Maloghurst, Argel Tal, 2x Imperial Fist Praetors, 1x SoH Praetor, and 2x Ultramarine Praetors. All it does is 1) tell us that a unit released c. 8 years ago will be restocked soon and 2) that we'll get some kind of vague rules content in one or more already announced free campaign supplements at an unspecified date in the future. I don't expect and have never expected something that large to be shown in a random WHC article, but there's plenty of design space for a monthly article between "nothing new whatsoever" and "showing a giant setting-changing release" so let's not act like disappointment is an unjustifiable response.

I never said it was "unjustifiable", I just feel like no matter what you've set yourself up for disappointment.

I've done the same to myself untold numbers of times. It happens.

The "Legion Dispatch" is just a monthly feature. They aren't all winners. Necromunda had a few just talking about building gang hideouts and they've shown off untold numbers of things using those tiles that have been out of stock for two fricking years now.

The event in October is not and has never been a "Heresy Open Day".

If you say so. The term "Heresy Open Day" has been used a few different times by members of the community staff.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
I never said it was "unjustifiable", I just feel like no matter what you've set yourself up for disappointment.


You immediately threw in the hyperbolic "what did you expect, the plastic heresy box?", so I'm not sure why you bothered commenting in the first place. I've been playing 30k since the beginning and know what I'm in for, I don't need you to police my expectations.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you say so. The term "Heresy Open Day" has been used a few different times by members of the community staff.


It has never been advertised as anything other than what it is: a gaming event. The only notable addendum is that it was initially described as a "matched play event", which was later removed. Nowhere at any point was it advertised as an open day, which is obviously a very different beast. Feel free to offer a citation.

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 Gert wrote:
And if the box is shown then all people will do is complain about why the box isn't out yet. Literally doesn't make a difference to anyone at GW what happens because people will complain regardless.


They could have done a bit of a tease. The leaked photo showed a Spartan, they could have done a Spartan Showcase, different, chapters, but not mention the new box directly.
   
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This was a HH article to show that something was coming back into stock. How far has FW fallen...

 Gert wrote:
And if the box is shown then all people will do is complain about why the box isn't out yet.
That's not even slightly true. When have GW revealed something only to have everyone go "Well why isn't it out right this very second???"? We know how the reveal/pre-order system works.

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Riiiiiiiiight sure thing chief. We never see people complain about when things are getting released ever. It's completely unheard of.
The Legion Dispatch sucks, it really does. But there was no way the new box was going to even be partially discussed/shown when AoS 3 was being released and Orks/BT were getting their hype built up.
   
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 Gert wrote:
Riiiiiiiiight sure thing chief. We never see people complain about when things are getting released ever. It's completely unheard of.
You honestly really think GW would reveal a box and that instantly, the moment they do, there'd be people here going "Why is it out yet???", like somehow people here don't understand supply chains and shipping time?

"People might complain it isn't out!" is also a pretty dumb reason not to show something. By that logic GW shouldn't show anything ever until the release date.




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Showing a box in August that's supposedly being released in October isn't generating any traffic or hype for said box. The talk is done by Septmeber, its not a new thing anymore and nobody except the dedicated crowd are going to buy it.
But hey show me where I said people would complain "instantly".
When Orks and BT are done, that's when we'll likely see the new Heresy box.
   
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GW has previously revealed new HH stuff several months before actually relasing it. It's not like there's no precedent.

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Can you give me any examples that were shown 3 months before they were released that didn't cause annoyance and complaining from the community? Because that's the point I'm getting at here. People will complain if the box isn't shown and will complain if it is, so why bother showing it early when the end result is the same? And you know factor in AoS 3, Orks getting a revamp and BT getting what seems to be a substantial release, then think why GW might not want to show off something that won't be another for at least another month from now, 2 from when the leaks were dropped.
   
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Or the leak was a fake and there's nothing to reveal?
   
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Where are the people complaining that the BT box isn't out right now? The new KT box?

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beast_gts wrote:
Or the leak was a fake and there's nothing to reveal?


Then it would be the absolute best fake leak in the entire history of GW

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Then it would be the absolute best fake leak in the entire history of GW
Especially given how much was proven true.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Where are the people complaining that the BT box isn't out right now? The new KT box?

You mean the stuff that was shown 3 days ago and will be released likely by the end of the month? You're not actually reading what I'm saying in my posts. When things have long release windows i.e. not a couple of weeks after reveal like 90% of GW products (whether intentional or not) people complain and then lose interest. The huge gap between the Beastsnaggaz box and the actual Ork release for example, and I'll be willing to bet if there is a big gap between the new BT box and the Codex Supplement it'll be the same. Personally I think the FOMO "army" box is a load of nonsense, especially this one.

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 Gert wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Where are the people complaining that the BT box isn't out right now? The new KT box?

You mean the stuff that was shown 3 days ago and will be released likely by the end of the month? You're not actually reading what I'm saying in my posts. When things have long release windows i.e. not a couple of weeks after reveal like 90% of GW products (whether intentional or not) people complain and then lose interest. The huge gap between the Beastsnaggaz box and the actual Ork release for example, and I'll be willing to bet if there is a big gap between the new BT box and the Codex Supplement it'll be the same. Personally I think the FOMO "army" box is a load of nonsense, especially this one.


If you're the one making the assertion that people would behave negatively in a certain way, isn't the onus on you to provide real world examples that demonstrate that behaviour to support your argument? Otherwise it's just flaccid conjecture.

These arguments are so boring because they just amount to, "I believe x, but I won't actually prove it be cause I believe I'm right." Why even post them?
   
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I just gave an example of the time between the Beastsnaggaz and Orks proper. I could also point to the amount of time it took for the Lion, Book 8, and most of the releases for units from Book 8. What about how long it usually takes between a Limited Ed Siege of Terra book and the regular hardback. Or the Limited Ed Godblight and the regular hardback. Or a boatload of BL books that get announced then one day just show up in preorder lists months later. How about the 8th Ed Imperial Armour book that was announced then never heard of again, only for it to emerge like 2 years later that it had been cancelled.
Is that enough?
   
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I'd like to see evidence of a number of people actually complaining and not just you listing releases that happened.
   
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This is a thread where the fact that both editions of Warhawk are being released at the same time is noted as being out of the ordinary and a good thing:
https://mobile.twitter.com/track_of_words/status/1439638208820699137
ADB and the Senior Commissioning Editor for Black Library, Kate Hamer, get involved so it's not just randoms on the Internet.
As for the rest, you'll forgive me if I don't spend the rest of my day trawling through years of WH FB posts to find people complaining. Not exactly a healthy thing to do but I'm sure you can find evidence all over Dakka.
   
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You don't have to trawl. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/510/800879.page Here's people complaining that the BT codex will be released slightly later than the limited one, likely a matter of weeks, as happens with nearly all releases that don't show up in whatever people like to consider a timely manner, or have something else that's apparently objectionable (like a limited release a few weeks earlier in this case).
   
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Obviously the best solution to this is to relase the boxed set earlier.

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JWBS wrote:
You don't have to trawl. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/510/800879.page Here's people complaining that the BT codex will be released slightly later than the limited one, likely a matter of weeks, as happens with nearly all releases that don't show up in whatever people like to consider a timely manner, or have something else that's apparently objectionable (like a limited release a few weeks earlier in this case).


You're misrepresenting what people are complaining about to suit your argument. They are complaining that the army book is locked behind an early release army box instead of being available independently, which I'd agree is pretty disappointing.

Regardless, gert can't support his assertion so this is all conjecture, which I can gladly ignore.
   
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The unlocked one comes a few weeks later. It's not a complaint that the only way to get the book is in the army box. So what is there a complaint? It's the few dozen days in between the limited release and the non-limited release, that's what's so distressing to some people. I don't know why I have to explain this, this was several sentences that I shouldn't have had to write.
   
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JWBS wrote:
The unlocked one comes a few weeks later. It's not a complaint that the only way to get the book is in the army box. So what is there a complaint? It's the few dozen days in between the limited release and the non-limited release, that's what's so distressing to some people. I don't know why I have to explain this, this was several sentences that I shouldn't have had to write.


My quick count puts 7 weeks elapsing between the beast snagga box containing the codex on July 24 and the codex being released independently on September 11. That's a precedent of almost two months to use the new rules if you're not willing to pay a huge premium. That's a reasonable complaint. As you said, I don't know why I have to explain this.
   
 
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