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And Atahamas based his design on the concept artwork for the Forgeworld one.

Well just thought I would toss in my 2 cents here...

I personally don't care for the model either. Looks like a Talos for the DE and not a Chaos vehicle. Bam! Said it, glad I am not the only one who doesn't care for it.

I really like the model, the way the front has sleek rounded plates and the back is a mess of cable. I think it is knornate because the design looks like a super efficient killing machine.

The talon comparisons fair enough its clear where the inspiration came from however this does not detract from a wonderful model

I love it, it would look great on the table!

I almost want to start a khorn army now so i can have one!

I think it's a fanatsic looking model. For evil Eldar. It just doesn't look GW Chaos enough to fit in for me. Of course YMMV as to whether that's a good or a bad thing. Plus it does seem like the large areas of balnk plating need some detailing on them.

hmm, random idea i was having while bored

1: add like a skull face plate to it with GS
2: on every other carapace piece cover it in skulls made of GS (not raised out too much, but so it looks as if it was made of skulls)
3: add plenty of large khorne signs and chaos runes to fill in the never ending blank ares.
4: make it spiky!!!
5: its claws look amazing, but once again, it seems like too much of a flat surface area, maybe a few runes or pattern might break it up a bit.

thats just my overview of how to improve, and i may have to order one to see what it would look like now lol.

thank you OP for costing me £127 + £50 ish of GS

To me the alien and faceless look of the overall model really adds to the idea that it is something not created by human hands, but rather something unholy put together with a daemon bound inside it.

just an idea here since i still love nids (am now an ork player though)

i may have to buy one and make it fleshy
would make a great bug with some work on it, all the wiring would have to be GS'ed into flesh, but its a task i would take on.

ok, thanks to ideas im now going to have to spend £350 ish lol

I don't care for the model whatsoever. It looks like a giant toy to me and it looks out of place in a Chaos army.

HOWEVER, if I were to own such a model, I would take advantage of all the smooth and blank surface area. It gives plenty of room to paint cool graphics, textures, glyphs, etc on it. I love large smooth surfaces. To me it grants freedom of creative liberty.

It looks a lot like a DE vehicle, not a machine of Khorne.

Yes, it's freaking cool, but it's just too curvy, and well, not Khorne-y. (In my humble opinion of course)

I wonder how they mold and cast all that cabling.

Well I guess I better start thinking those heretical thoughts those signs in the streets are always telling me not to think.

This model is just full of potential. The collectors who will drop the $$ for this are most likely the same guys who have the skill and desire to personalize this thing. Personally, when I get mine you can bet I will be doing my own little additions to it. I think it is a great model with a very unimaginative paint scheme, and look forward to twisting it up with my own style.

skkipper wrote:it is full of sexy. it is new chaos warmachine goodness. the old school chaos warmachines are really full of lose. I am hoping the the era of skulls and spikes is coming to close. this is more demon and less imperial tech.

I agree. Although spikes and skulls will always have a dominant place in chaos, it's awesome to see some expanding horizons.

Pariah Press wrote: I think that it's very cool-looking. It is, however, a large departure from the 40K Chaos style of the last ten years. OTOH, I pretty much hated that style, so I'm willing to be open-minded about something new.

Exactly, open-mindedness is what it's all about. So what if it doesn't look like every other khorne/chaos model that's been released for the past ? years. So what if it doesn't have "8" legs. Stop focusing on what's dissapointing about the model and see the potential. While I respect everybody's opinion, I'm dissapointed that so many great modeler's and painters are sh*ting on this model, because I imagine the outrageous conversions and paint-jobs that can be done with it.

Agamemnon2 wrote:An idea that just struck me is that there's no hydraulics, nuts, bolts or other worky bits. There's this feeling that were you disable the thing, it'd just fall apart into a tangle of cables and a couple of pieces of metal. Instead of being a machine in its own right it's almost a shell for some outside force to inhabit.

And this is exactly why the model is so win to me. Chaos is finally evolving past 10,000 year old equipment, and janky hand-me-downs. The gods of chaos are flexing some muscle and showing some independant thought. Watch out.

JD21290 wrote:hmm, random idea i was having while bored

1: add like a skull face plate to it with GS
2: on every other carapace piece cover it in skulls made of GS (not raised out too much, but so it looks as if it was made of skulls)
3: add plenty of large khorne signs and chaos runes to fill in the never ending blank ares.
4: make it spiky!!!
5: its claws look amazing, but once again, it seems like too much of a flat surface area, maybe a few runes or pattern might break it up a bit.

thats just my overview of how to improve, and i may have to order one to see what it would look like now lol.

thank you OP for costing me £127 + £50 ish of GS

I say go for it, most self respecting collectors aren't going to drop that kind of jack on a model and then follow the paint-by-numbers.

Archonate wrote:
HOWEVER, if I were to own such a model, I would take advantage of all the smooth and blank surface area. It gives plenty of room to paint cool graphics, textures, glyphs, etc on it. I love large smooth surfaces. To me it grants freedom of creative liberty.

One word. Do It.

Possibly one of the ugliest models I've ever seen FW produce.
When I first saw the pics in my email I thought it was DE as well rather than a Scorpion.

The size is definitely impressive but I've seen many Defiler conversions that look far superior asthetically.

Lint wrote:

One word. Do It.

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Yeah, that'd be too easy.

Otherwise, well said.

Lord_Mortis wrote:I like the model. But when I first saw it, I said to myself "I have seen this before...."

http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139817&page=2

They look pretty much identical , are they the same modeler?

Vandez wrote:

Lint wrote:

One word. Do It.

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Yeah, that'd be too easy.

Otherwise, well said.

I know, I'm throwing beach balls over here.

Okay, I can't stand to read another 2 pages of this thread.

For the love of Khorne people! Where talking about a demonpossessed gaint killing machine!!! Of Death!!!

Who the bloody hell cares??? (pun intended) Maybe in the grim/dark future scorpions don't look like the used to. I just read the entry in the Apocalypse book again. There is no (current) fluff about how exactly a Brass Scorpion should look like except very pissed and probably covered in blood.
If I wanted to read a 6 page discussion about "what animal is this?" I would have read something in the YMDC Forum.

edit: on topic: I think it looks a bit too Dark Eldar for my taste, but if I played a World Eater army I probaly would've ordered one by now. Because it does look pretty cool. And I fail to explain why.
edit: edit: So, does this mean we might also get a Pleaguereaper any time soon??

Lorizael wrote:Possibly one of the ugliest models I've ever seen FW produce.
When I first saw the pics in my email I thought it was DE as well rather than a Scorpion.

The size is definitely impressive but I've seen many Defiler conversions that look far superior asthetically.

If you're in the '80 school of blocky design, then yeah, I can see how those Defiler kitbashes can be "aesthetically superior".

Mind you, we're in 2009.

I can't believe people are still going on about the name.

Let. It. GO. It's a god-damned fething name! Just because it's called a "scorpion" doesn't mean it has to have the exact number of legs and be exactly like a real scorpion in every way. Here's an idea, maybe the Dark Mechanicus designed the thing first, THEN came up with a name for it? You know, one of these numbers: "This beast needs a name...gee, it looks kinda like a scorpion, let's call it a scorpion! The brass scorpion of Khorne! Blood for the Blood God!"

And something tells me they really won't give a damn if you like the apparent lack of legs because it'll probably take your head off before you get to voice said asinine complaint.

In all seriousness though, I really don't think I can stand to hear another "OMG it doesn't have 8 legs" complaint again. Think about it for a minute. Before this thing came out did you bitch and whine about any of the other animal names given to the other vehicles? Were you raising hell on forums and swearing off GW product because the Space Marine rhino doesn't look like a real fething rhino? No? Then why now?! Seriously, it boggles the mind. I've never seen anyone in real life whine like this about cars or military vehicles, either...are you going to tell the military they can't call a tank the "scorpion" because it doesn't have 8 legs? Are you going to tell a car company they can't name their newest sports car the "scorpion" for the same reason? Why is it this model is the one and only thing that MUST look like a mechanical version of a real fething animal when no one had such unreasonable expectations before? I mean I'm all for ripping GW a new one like I've said before, but over THIS? Some people really will bitch about anything.

And I'm not directing this at any Dakka member in particular, this is more or less a mental breakdown caused by all the whining EVERYWHERE because of the legs. Look at the body and how it's arched up like that, and look at a picture of a real scorpion...christ, it looks close enough, doesn't it? And if anyone points out the irony in whining about whiners I swear to god I will kill you to death.

And I have nothing against real, genuine complaints. I too think the plates are a tad plain and that they could have done a bit more to make it fit in with the Chaos aesthetic. That combined with the paintjob just makes it look too clean and new, I guess. It's not roughed up with warped flesh/metal and Chaos-y designs like the warhound, but other than that I think it looks just fine. You can always sculpt or paint your own detail on the thing.

This thing ROCKS. The GW Brass Scorpion conversions look like 2 defilers crashed together. This thing goes in a whole new direction and comes across very well. It could stand for a few giant khorne runes, and a head instead of the belly gun, but still an awesome model.

It should, because that's all it is. Never been particularly impressed by any of the conversions, except for that one that was linked to on Warseer that looks remarkably like this one.

I guess we all have different tastes, but I can't really fathom why anyone would prefer the defiler conversion to this one. The defiler conversion doesn't look like a real scorpion, either. It may have the "correct" number of legs but that's where the similarities end.

Lint wrote:

Archonate wrote:
HOWEVER, if I were to own such a model, I would take advantage of all the smooth and blank surface area. It gives plenty of room to paint cool graphics, textures, glyphs, etc on it. I love large smooth surfaces. To me it grants freedom of creative liberty.

One word. Do It.

A fair suggestion. Though I don't play Chaos and never plan to... Actually I've never played Apocalypse either.

But IF I played Chaos AND Apocalypse, I would have fun covering this model with big hand painted skulls and juicy blood splash graphics. I know people don't like excessive quantities of skulls on all 40k stuff, frankly neither do I... But it's a war machine of KHORNE! Blood god? Skull throne?... Ah forget it.

It's amazing to me that people can't grasp the concept of minimalism in a miniature. (Though I can't call the FW Brass Scorp small, its as big/bigger than a baneblade) Its a sleek and powerful looking model that has great open areas that are perfect for detail work. I can see entire Murals being painted within the confines of that plating.

Thus far I've read post after post of what seems to be a groupthink that chaos = busy model with entirely too many spiky bits + skulls. Can we let that design philosophy go for once? or at least one whole entire model?

I think part of the problem stems from people assuming this thing was built by mindless, lobotomized berzerkers.

I actually like the model generically, but something about the overall image just does not site right with me. It looks... Strained.... Like its taking a bad dump!

Personal taste, wouldn't buy it for myself, but I already know my lad is frothing over it.... so it may end up being a christmas buy wether I like it or not!

livingregret wrote: Well just thought I would toss in my 2 cents here...

I personally don't care for the model either. Looks like a Talos for the DE and not a Chaos vehicle. Bam! Said it, glad I am not the only one who doesn't care for it.

Not knowing anything about it my instinct was thart it was Dark Eldar. Foolish really because DE aren't getting any models for the forseeable future. Anywa, I think the model is ok, but after the initial Wow factor, I'm begining to think it's a bit too fussy and impractical looking. Yes I know it's a fantasy wargame but still.

When I first saw it I thought...WOW A NEW TALOS!!! Then I saw the size and said...WOW NICE MODEL...hehe. The model as a whole is nice but the paint job on this one really sets it out. With all the armour plates painters can go wild with 2d free hand. Expect to see some of these painted to super standards. I really liked all the bodies wrapped up in the cables...that is soooo cool!!

i like the custom ones more

strange_eric wrote:It's amazing to me that people can't grasp the concept of minimalism in a miniature.

Now that is not very polite. That would be like saying you can't grasp the concept of consistency of design.

Sidstyler wrote:I think part of the problem stems from people assuming this thing was built by mindless, lobotomized berzerkers.

Hehe. I'd called it the "purist" approach. Now one might argue that a proper design process would lead to such a sleek design, but considering the fact that the armour is build exactly the wrong way (armour plates wide on the inside, instead of the outside) that'd be wrong. It's style over substance and that is something chaos design could never be accused of ;-)

As for my chaos army, I like this one better: http://www.hortwerth.com/Vehicles/target4.html or http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3928/brassscorpionmixeg5.jpg

Funny thing is: I said I'd like to build a dark mechanicum army around the FW brass scorpion. When I did that, I had the Micro Art Studio miniatures in mind, the ones the artist linked above used. Hmmm...