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JD21290 wrote:playuan, fair play
didnt actually bother checking any further than my own assumption :(


but check out all brass scorp. pics, all have 6 legs with 2 klaws

It's because most people don't think about it as they base it off a single Defiler(maybe two to make it wider). Not ALL do it, take a look in my Gallery's Apocalypse battles to see one with the correct number of legs.

Relevant picture:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Scorpion Claws are actually oversized mandibles...

Bingo!

Which is why a scorpion is in the arachnid family (8 legged insects) and not some weird 10 legged family.


Regardless about pedantry of real life scorpions, 8 is the favored number of khorne, and it has 8 appendages.
Khorne isn't the brightest god of the bunch, so he made them without considering what is in the encyclopedia Imperia regarding morphology due to his chaotic ways.

Good enough explanation/rationale?

Works for me!

never actually took that one into account, allthough it seems strange, all i have seen have 6 legs, and also the tail "bard" is doubled up TL reapers, indicating 2 kits were used, as do the ammount of armour plates used.

maybe alot of people forgot or lost legs? XD

WOW! Both this model and thread are an abomination to all things khorne. Let's clarify some things. the number of legs that the brass scorpion has is irrelevant, because a brass scorpion doesn't have any legs, it has 4 wheels. Sometimes i think that the people at gw don't have a clue what they're doing. It's like they fired everyone who ever knew anything about gw products and hired retards off the street. There is an official gw model and rules and background history of the brass scorpion and well as all the khorne daemon engines from over 10 years ago.

1st lets start with the background material. oh, and gw can sue me( it will only validate my claim!)
"Brass Scorpions are fast, fearsomely armed and possessed of a daemonic viciousness and cunning. They clatter forward on brazen WHEELS to hunt down their prey, racing ahead with their whirling power saws promising a quick death to anything foolish enough to come within reach. A brass scorpion is well equipped with short ranged firepower - a lethal gatling 'sting' rears up from it's back and more guns jut forward from its daemonic maw, but it's most deadly in close assaults. Up close the scything power claws slice through armour and flesh with ease and few can stand before their charge. Normally woods and buildings are the infantryman's sanctuary from such metal predators but even these offer no succor as the scorpions slash their was forward to winkle out hiding troops. Because of their power saws Brass Scorpions can move through woods, counting them as difficult ground. They can also close assault (close combat attack-ed) buildings in the close combat phase, causing the building to take an unmodified save or collapse into rubble."
These are the facts from GW themselves, if only they actually played their own games and read their own books.
It was NOT a super heavy, it's armour being the approximate equivalent to 13 all round. Guns, hard for me to make a good comparison. But it was a monster in close combat, about equal to a space marine terminator HQ squad or a greater deamon. Stronger than Knights (super heavy single man mini titians), but only if the Knight didn't charge( they double their CAF on the charge).

pictures to follow

No, they are not 'facts'...they are background, i.e. something entirely fictional made up by whisy.

They had Wheels in Epic, because back then, it would have been exceedingly difficult to sculpt and cast the required legs in metal, particularly in such a small scale.

JD21290 wrote:never actually took that one into account, allthough it seems strange, all i have seen have 6 legs, and also the tail "bard" is doubled up TL reapers, indicating 2 kits were used, as do the ammount of armour plates used.

maybe alot of people forgot or lost legs? XD

IIRC, he used 3 kits to make the body that large and get enough bits. Yeah, most people forget the amount of legs and just tend to cut off one side of legs each to make it wider and get the gun bits. Not saying they're wrong(as all of GW's have the same number, except the original Epic model, which has tracks!), just something that bugs me aesthetically.

Whoever painted that thing certainly did a spectacular job. The model itself is pretty good, but no where near as good as that paintjob.

For me the thing doesn't have enough mechanics or ornamentation, it's basically a pile of cables with armor plate. In my opinion it looks more alien than chaotic.

JohnHwangDD wrote:It boggles my mind that people like this model.

I think it's crap.

It's not a "Scorpion" due to the leg count being wrong. And the pyramid design? Ew.

LunaHound wrote:The pincher looks way off compared to what scoprions looks like

could probably pass off as dark eldar telos :x

Nice armor plating design, but ... tail / pincher not quite there .

Since when does Chaos care about leg count? Or any other sort of anatomical correctness? Fluff-wise, chances are the name "Brass Scorpion" was adopted by the Imperials after they saw it on the battlefield.
"Big metal warmachine with lots of legs, and a couple o' claws?"
"Yes sir."
"That would be a Defiler."
"Yes sir, but this was bigger than a Defiler and it had a tail."
"Ah... in that case, it sounds to me like the squad met up with the infamous Bronze Lobster." (Crap! While I was typing this, Balance already coined a Lobsterish warmachine!)
"Yes sir, but this thing had a gun on the end of its tail... a stinger if you will."
"A stinger? That's a new one... Let's call it a Brass Scorpion."
"Yes sir, but our man inside tells us the traitors call these things Gothuak'lhog T'bothachot'rthaurch."
"How do you spell that?"

BTW that scorpion Zoid that LunaHound posted is the Guysack (AKA Stang), not a Deathpion. It might be a touch too small for the Brass Scorpion. It's more Defiler size, but not as expensive. The pricier (and fairly rare) Deathpion (AKA Zagram) looks like this:

Might be a little big, but it sure would look cool.

asmith wrote:Whoever painted that thing certainly did a spectacular job. The model itself is pretty good, but no where near as good as that paintjob.

For me the thing doesn't have enough mechanics or ornamentation, it's basically a pile of cables with armor plate. In my opinion it looks more alien than chaotic.

Looking at the sketches FW did for other Daemon engines they're considering, it almost seems they want this whole Cables as sinewy and "organic-esque" parts for them. Almost like the body is made up of wiring, cabling, and other possessed mechanics, then have armor plates added to them to protect the "fleshy" bits.

ok, ease up on the model

1: striking scorpions are called so, but they have 2 legs and 2 arms, name doesent mean it is something
IMHO it looks amazing

2: that epic model is too dated, look back at the the old epic stuff, mainly all tracked / wheels rather than legs.


allthough, while on the idea of epic and dead killy stuff, anyone got any pics of ork soopa gunz?
havent seen em in years, just wondered if anyones made one for apoc

It does look like dark eldar. Where are the skulls? At least the epic model had skulls, like a proper khorne daemon engine should.

Here's some more eye candy from the days of yore.

That is the single most impressive model forgeworld has yet made. The cabling on the reverse is amazing.


:as an edit, i just read a few of the previous posts:

The old brass scorpion looked awful. It's a tank if you turned skeletor from he-man into a tank. Old models and fluff from when khorne was a god of black metal and hair bands shouldn't be considered required in new versions. The only real complaint that could have weight is the fact that the model is too streamlined, and not angular enough. But I prefer the khorne that doesn't care about ornamentation and just wants to kill things.

touche
very dark eldar like :(
and no skulls is somewhat annoying considering this thing should be taking alot.

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:WOW! Both this model and thread are an abomination to all things khorne. Let's clarify some things. the number of legs that the brass scorpion has is irrelevant, because a brass scorpion doesn't have any legs, it has 4 wheels. Sometimes i think that the people at gw don't have a clue what they're doing. It's like they fired everyone who ever knew anything about gw products and hired retards off the street. There is an official gw model and rules and background history of the brass scorpion and well as all the khorne daemon engines from over 10 years ago.

So, that's what 10 years ago? You expect GW to be consistent with something that old? GW changes it's mind about fluff three times a week, but thankfully only retcons material once a month. If GW wants to change it's mind about what Brass Scorpions look like and do, particularly for something that old, there's no reason whatsoever that they can't. We're talking about a company that decided that an entire race was eaten by Tyranids just so they didn't have to deal with it anymore. And even if you take it from a fluff perspective - what, you think the forces of Chaos would keep making Brass Scorpions the same way again and again and again and again and again? I can picture the conversation...

"Lord Goremonger! Lord Goremonger! Our infernal techpriests have recommended making some modifications that will make our Brass Scorpions even more potent on the battlefield!"

"What?! NO! Have them excuted! Blood for the blood god! The Brass Scorpion is one of our most venerable designs! It cannot...nay...MUST not be tampered with!"

"Blood for the blood god! By your command, Lord!"


Because that's the way Chaos works.

No skulls! Of COURSE no skulls! Skulls go neatly stacked by the skull throne of Khorne! You didn't think it kept them, did you?

i may have to buy one just to tinker with, any C&C on this quick idea?


making a sort of skull face plate for it, front cannon would be comming out of its mouth.

Elusive71 wrote:
"Ah... in that case, it sounds to me like the squad met up with the infamous Bronze Lobster." (Crap! While I was typing this, Balance already coined a Lobsterish warmachine!)

It's OK. I'm guessing the Hell-Lobster is the Imperial variant anyway. (For the record, Wikipedia says Lobsters have 10 legs, with two adapted as claws.)

For reference the cabling is full of dead people. They probably have skulls.

JD21290 wrote:i may have to buy one just to tinker with, any C&C on this quick idea?

You're going to pay $180...just to have one to tinker with?

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:It does look like dark eldar. Where are the skulls? At least the epic model had skulls, like a proper khorne daemon engine should.

Here's some more eye candy from the days of yore.

Those tanks look like the kind of thing power rangers would fight.

They would be called skele-tanks.

Tis an excellent model with an impressive paint job. I especially like the 'crew'.

What's the best thing about the Brass Scorpion?

12 GIANT CHAINSAWS!

But what are they going to change next? Eldar with no legs cause they just use their psychic powers to float around. Space marines with 6 arms so they can hold more guns? where do they draw the line. Epic was a core game that lasted about 10 years before they killed it. I bet there are people who still have their old epic armies besides me that are waiting for its triumphant return. This stuff has been in 40k lore/background for 1/3 of GW's existence. The baneblade and both warhound and reaver titans are based off of epic models from the same time, and somehow they came out looking the same.
Does the model look great, sure. Is it a brass scorpion, no. It doesn't even look like a khorne daemon engine!

Is it a brass scorpion, no. It doesn't even look like a khorne daemon engine!

Thats a matter of opinion, why would the god of slaughter want a stupid looking chain gun that can't be aimed attached to a thing with spin brooms for arms? The epic khorne designs were universally childish and awful. They are being thrown by the wayside in the same way tiny orks and squats were. They were stupid and the only people that want them back as is are the fanboys that still have the old models.

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:But what are they going to change next? Eldar with no legs cause they just use their psychic powers to float around. Space marines with 6 arms so they can hold more guns? where do they draw the line. Epic was a core game that lasted about 10 years before they killed it. I bet there are people who still have their old epic armies besides me that are waiting for its triumphant return. This stuff has been in 40k lore/background for 1/3 of GW's existence. The baneblade and both warhound and reaver titans are based off of epic models from the same time, and somehow they came out looking the same.
Does the model look great, sure. Is it a brass scorpion, no. It doesn't even look like a khorne daemon engine!

I don't think I was the only person who thought you were taking the piss with that earlier message. It came across as firmly tongue-in-cheek to demand rigid adherence to something done a decade ago, especially for a company that has changed so much over the years.

I can sympathise with not wanting things to change, but they always do. Tempora mutantur et nos mutamur in illis.

Now I'm not saying that gw can't update things. Look at all of the space marines heavy weapons. The new sculpts look great, but their battlefield role and background haven't changed. The new landraider and new rhino. Great job on making a nicer model, but the landraider still has 2 twin linked lascannons and a twin linked heavy bolter and still carries termis. There's a right way to update things and still keep with the back ground and then there's a wrong way.

It's had it's return...Epic Armageddon.

All the detail of Space Marine, with the faster game play of Epic 40,000.

Oh, and the Baneblade looks different. Got my old models right next to me (Selling them cheap in my Trade thread...go look!) and it clearly has an additional Bolter port in the forward hull, next to the now Demolisher Cannon, and rather than a single Twin Linked Heavy Bolter in each sponson, there is in fact a single *bolter* on each of it's three sides.

Oh, and remember, back then there was no such thing as a Baneblade Cannon, it was just a Battlecannon.

Also, the Warhound now available has changed significantly. The legs are more industrial looking, rather than the curvier, more organic looking original, and the weapons are no longer bolter horizontally onto the hull.

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:Now I'm not saying that gw can't update things. Look at all of the space marines heavy weapons. The new sculpts look great, but their battlefield role and background haven't changed. The new landraider and new rhino. Great job on making a nicer model, but the landraider still has 2 twin linked lascannons and a twin linked heavy bolter and still carries termis. There's a right way to update things and still keep with the back ground and then there's a wrong way.

The battlefield role of the Brass Scorpion is still the same. It rips apart men, machines and buildings alike. That has not changed. Ergo, you are hoisted by your own petard.

Elusive71 wrote:What's the best thing about the Brass Scorpion?

12 GIANT CHAINSAWS!

You could say the same thing thing about a suitably large squad of Repentia, though.