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LunaHound wrote:The pincher looks way off compared to what scoprions looks like

could probably pass off as dark eldar telos :x

Nice armor plating design, but ... tail / pincher not quite there .


I mean... i would rather spend $20 on

Wghat is that miniature and how big is it. I thinkmit might actually m ake a better scorpion regardless of price.

kendoka wrote:Que?
AFAIK the FW Brass Scorpion in the pics has the right number of legs (8):
- six normal ones and the front two legs in claw form - just as a real scorpion.

I think the correct expression here is: FAIL

My bad, according to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion
a scorp has 8 walking legs and two "pedipalps (claws)".


The sculpt is brilliant - the first "chaotic" vehicle that looks good.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:It's just that the overall model design is lacking. Especially when expectations were set with the pictured model in the Apoc rulebook.

To be honest, when I clicked on the link, I was hoping for a resin-plastic hybrid that used the Defiler Leg sprues around a poseable resin core with resin armor plates and extra-sexy claws.

Likewise, I am boggled by your opinion, and the blunt way in which you insinuate that the idea of anyone actually liking this model is literally inconcevable to you.

To me, the Apocalypse rulebook conversion looks not only like a simple conversion, but also bloody stupid, what with that idiotic little face on the gun mantlet.

I don't understand the hangups people have with it not having the "right" amount of legs or the right kind of claws. "Brass Scorpion" is just a name, not an accurate description, or are you telling me you'd feel the same way about a perfectly-proportioned model that simply wasn't painted brass?

I insinuate nothing. I think the model is extremely lacking in design and proportion. The Talos comment is extremely apt.

The Apocalypse version isn't bad as a conversion goes, but you are completely correct that it suffers from having to use only Defiler parts, rather than Scorpion-specific parts.

I expected GW to update the Apocalypse conversion with a tighter body to bring the legs closer together, a better-integrated tail and head, and more claw-like pincers. This would preserve the general family design, while tightening things considerably.

If you call something a "scorpion", one would reasonably expect 8 legs, 2 pincers, and a stinger. At least the Defiler conversion got *that* right.

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kendoka wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:Unfortunately, the number of legs are wrong.

AFAIK the FW Brass Scorpion in the pics has the right number of legs (8):
- six normal ones and the front two legs in claw form - just as a real scorpion.

A real scorpion has 8 walking legs, 2 pincers, and a stinger tail.

Well, I'm not sure what planet the animal that influenced the Brass Scorpion came from, and how many legs it would have, particularly after centuries in the Warp and well, being a half demon/half machine.

And, Agamemnon2, that's John's thing. The real beauty of it is that not only can he state an opinion in such a way as to insinuate that any that disagrees is morally reprehensible; he can dodge out from almost any stated opinion.

For the record, I actually really like the model, and the price isn't ridiculous. I'm not sure I like it enough to pay that price instead of a relatively simple conversion, but if nothing else the armor plates are awesome.

Polonius wrote:And, Agamemnon2, that's John's thing. The real beauty of it is that not only can he state an opinion in such a way as to insinuate that any that disagrees is morally reprehensible; he can dodge out from almost any stated opinion.

Well, feth him.

JohnHwangDD wrote:If you call something a "scorpion", one would reasonably expect 8 legs, 2 pincers, and a stinger.

Tell that to whoever calls the Eldar grav-tank "Scorpion" as well.

It looks alive, and midway through scuttle.

To say it is 'extremely lacking in design and proportion' is just utter bollocks I'm afraid.

So it's down a pair of legs. Farking dithathtoral Gwarrrnt!

If you don't like it, fair enough. It's a piece of art and art is subjective, I get that. But don't just make stuff up to try and justify why you don't like it.

It's possible that they realized that the extra pair of legs would make it look worse, and not better. It's like how cartoon characters all have 4 fingers and not five.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:To say it is 'extremely lacking in design and proportion' is just utter bollocks I'm afraid.

If you don't like it, fair enough. It's a piece of art and art is subjective, I get that. But don't just make stuff up to try and justify why you don't like it.

OK, guys, let's be clear about a couple of things:

1. You're *not* stupid for liking the FW model. But it'd be nice if someone were to actualy explain *why*, because "oh, cool" has no meaning. Until someone can actually coherently explain what they like about it, it's still poo.

2. If I don't like it because I don't like the design (missing legs, non-pincer claws, pyramid shape), that's my right. But don't accuse me of "making stuff up" when I explain my position. Just because you disagree, that doesn't make my opinion or basis for opinion wrong.

yeah, who the hell cares? The model rocks! Arguing about it makes you guys sound like a couple of old spinsters.

Tell that to whoever calls the Eldar grav-tank "Scorpion" as well.

As well as Striking Scorpions and Warp Spiders. Anyone who likes them are idiots

I like it and I don't. I think someone nailed it when they said it looks like one big giant tail. I don't care for that. But the overall detail and other design choices are great. Including the 8 limbs -- it fits for khorne. The psuedo biologists need to get over it.

If you want to, you can refer to it as the Hell-Lobster.

This thread almost got me scared for a sec.

I thought it was going to be a thread with a pic of a new model in it where no one said it was 'crap'

Whew... the sky isn't falling after all.

For the Eldar "Scorpion" & "Spider" crowd, you're aware that the Eldar Fluff covers the Spider designation as metaphorical, right?

And that unlike the Brass Scorpion, GW never took either of these as a basis for a literal model based on RL morphology, right?

Right.

Anyhow, go on enjoying the model. I'll check back when somebody can bother to take a few seconds to explain what they like about it.

That has a nice ring to it.

Beware of the Hell-Lobster!

Personally, I'm mixed on it. It looks brutal and very animated (right word? Looks like it's in the middle of killing something) but I'm not sold on the tail armor.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

I was going to say that the only thing wrong with this model is the number of appendages, but since it has 8, then it is a perfect Brass scorpion IMO.

It doesn't have to have 8 legs and then 2 pincers. Being realistic isn't what it is all about.

I love the model. If I played chaos I would be ll over this model. Well done FW.

Well, I like that it's more evocative of a scorpion than simply trying to mimic one. The arms are closer to dreadnought arms (which aren't pinchers), the entire model has armor plates without simply being a single uniform carapace, the tail seems menacing, and the cabling and other mechanical bits seem very realistic in terms of what giant six legged robots actually look like.

The armor plates also give a nice archaic counterpoint to the futurism of the mechanics of the thing.

JohnHwangDD wrote:But it'd be nice if someone were to actualy explain *why*, because "oh, cool" has no meaning. Until someone can actually coherently explain what they like about it, it's still poo.

Right, so, for your approval, here's a couple of reasons.

1. It doesn't look like a Defiler. For me, this is a major plus.
2. It doesn't have any stupid faces or tentacles sprouting from it like so many "demonic vehicle" conversions done by overenthusiastic newbies with no sculpting experience. I like the fact that even though it's half-demon, there's no exposed "flesh", just demonic iron and living cables.
3. It looks alien, like something that wasn't designed by the same people as, say, a Chaos Dreadnought, which of course is true within the fictional context of the model.
4. it doesn't look like a metal scorpion. That'd be the lazy way out, kind of like making a Squiggoth out of a triceratops without even swapping the head. I expect more of FWiy

JohnHwangDD wrote:Anyhow, go on enjoying the model. I'll check back when somebody can bother to take a few seconds to explain what they like about it.

There, I have. Stick that up your pipe and smoke it, you smug bastard.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:It's just that the overall model design is lacking. Especially when expectations were set with the pictured model in the Apoc rulebook.

To be honest, when I clicked on the link, I was hoping for a resin-plastic hybrid that used the Defiler Leg sprues around a poseable resin core with resin armor plates and extra-sexy claws.

Likewise, I am boggled by your opinion, and the blunt way in which you insinuate that the idea of anyone actually liking this model is literally inconcevable to you.

To me, the Apocalypse rulebook conversion looks not only like a simple conversion, but also bloody stupid, what with that idiotic little face on the gun mantlet.

I don't understand the hangups people have with it not having the "right" amount of legs or the right kind of claws. "Brass Scorpion" is just a name, not an accurate description, or are you telling me you'd feel the same way about a perfectly-proportioned model that simply wasn't painted brass?

I insinuate nothing. I think the model is extremely lacking in design and proportion. The Talos comment is extremely apt.

The Apocalypse version isn't bad as a conversion goes, but you are completely correct that it suffers from having to use only Defiler parts, rather than Scorpion-specific parts.

I expected GW to update the Apocalypse conversion with a tighter body to bring the legs closer together, a better-integrated tail and head, and more claw-like pincers. This would preserve the general family design, while tightening things considerably.

If you call something a "scorpion", one would reasonably expect 8 legs, 2 pincers, and a stinger. At least the Defiler conversion got *that* right.

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kendoka wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:Unfortunately, the number of legs are wrong.

AFAIK the FW Brass Scorpion in the pics has the right number of legs (8):
- six normal ones and the front two legs in claw form - just as a real scorpion.

A real scorpion has 8 walking legs, 2 pincers, and a stinger tail.

yes because the rhino has 4 legs and horn and a razorback is known for its viscious tusks. the wings on the falcon should flap and where is its beak? hellhound doesn't appear canine in the least.
having a beef about missing two legs on a scorpion seems pretty petty.

LunaHound wrote:The pincher looks way off compared to what scoprions looks like

could probably pass off as dark eldar telos :x

Nice armor plating design, but ... tail / pincher not quite there .


I mean... i would rather spend $20 on

GMTA. However, the Death Stinger is larger and more correct on the size a Brass Scorpion should be. Also, it looks better and can generally be found for cheaper on eBay($35-45) than the Deathpion.



Another shot with the head armor down and next to a group of Deathpions.

I already said I like it because it looks half way through a good old fashioned scuttle.

It'a very animated sculpt, and has nice touches belying it's Daemonic nature, like some poor sods hardwired into it. The claws look suitably delicate.

I think it's lame because it's not made of Brass. It's called a "Brass scorpion" right? Everyone is up in arms over it's claws and lack of extra legs. But what about the Brass?

If you want a formal critique on why I like the model I can offer a few formal sculpting tidbits.

The model has a strong triangular presence from all almost every angle. Simple shapes are the most appealing to the eye. These shapes are echoed throughout the work and reinforce the overall pose.

The lines of the model guide you eye to the main gun. This adds support to the importance of that area of the piece. It gives the sculpt purpose and direction. The legs then take the eye back out and up to the tail which again leads the eye back, much in the way bosch or giger trick the senses into "stationary activity".

The underbelly is muted and confusing detracting from the organization of the armor. I would have liked more order in this area of the model but overall I do not think it detracts much. The addition of humans strung up in the cabeling also appears to be an after thought but improve this area by giving it more interest.

It may not fit some peoples idea of fluff but the work is a success.

It looks awesome. Adding 2 more legs would make it look cluttered. It looks sorta weird that the tail and body are one big part, but it's a daemon engine and it does what it wants. The cabling in the back with trapped figures in it is great.

This model is gorgeous. I haven't been this impressed with FW in a long time. Its clearly demonic and chaos influenced, with a bit of Khornate influence in the way the plates are squared (the big rune on the tail is a dead giveaway) but it does it without having all sorts of superfluos, distracting detail that Chaos models tend to have. Bravo.

And have you seen how scorpions fit 8 legs onto their frame? Do you see how they bend backwards perpendicular to the ground and then bend down to hold up their weight? Do you really want to stress resin like that? It looks perfect without the 4th pair of walking legs.

whoever said it had the wrong number of legs, was wrong

6 legs 2 klaws, just like a real scorpion, and the favoured number of khorne

i gotta hand it to em, they actually made a model i would buy over making my own
2 defilers - £60

at over double the price i would still buy it.

maybe ork need one now :K

It just looks like one sleek, awesome weapon of blood-letting. It looks like it's all tail, but really it's just cannon, claws, tail gun and ONLY the space needed to hold it all together. No room for crew, no big crazy engine. It's all daemon-run and wicked.

JD21290 wrote:whoever said it had the wrong number of legs, was wrong

6 legs 2 klaws, just like a real scorpion, and the favoured number of khorne

FAIL. Real Scorpions have 8 Ambulatory Legs plus the 2 Pincers and tail.

To put this falsehood to rest:

Scorpion Claws are actually oversized mandibles...

playuan, fair play
didnt actually bother checking any further than my own assumption :(


but check out all brass scorp. pics, all have 6 legs with 2 klaws