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Meh. I don't subscribe to FW's "Daemon engines = sleek and futuristic) philosophy.

I must be the last of a dieing breed. The die-hard old timer. He who clings to the way things used to be, rather than embrace the present. I think I have more 2nd edition models than i do 3/4/5th. Anybody want to play space crusade?

I don't know how things are/where in the UK, but in the states, Epic Armageddon was what killed the epic line. It was akin to letting you friend borrow you car, only to have him go to the bar, get wasted, and then enter the demolition derby with it. there was nothing left to return.

Balance wrote:

Elusive71 wrote:What's the best thing about the Brass Scorpion?

12 GIANT CHAINSAWS!

You could say the same thing thing about a suitably large squad of Repentia, though.

Are we sure chainsaws are the best thing in a squad of half naked chicks?

Also, this is a Brass Scorpian. I don't get why are you all talking about a Brass Scorpion. Anyone who knows anything, knows these are two different Demon Engines.

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:I don't know how things are/where in the UK, but in the states, Epic Armageddon was what killed the epic line. It was akin to letting you friend borrow you car, only to have him go to the bar, get wasted, and then enter the demolition derby with it. there was nothing left to return.

from my perspective it was like lending a Ford and getting back a BMW. But you're the die-hard here.

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:I don't know how things are/where in the UK, but in the states, Epic Armageddon was what killed the epic line. It was akin to letting you friend borrow you car, only to have him go to the bar, get wasted, and then enter the demolition derby with it. there was nothing left to return.

Based on what everyone has told me, and from personal experience talking with the local Epic players around here, it was the previous version, Epic 40,000, that torpedoed the game's chances as continuing as one of the "core three". If anything, EA was a major improvement, with its development forums and openness making it a reasonably balanced ruleset and one of the finest in the Specialist Games line.

Epic today is lean, mean, extremely balanced and well suited for competitive play. It is a better game today than it has been in a long, long time.

Platuan4th wrote:Unfortunately, the number of legs are wrong.

Um.. No?
Scorpions are arachnids, whic are characterized by having 8 limbs. This model has 6 legs and 2 claws (equals 8).




Personally, I think that the paint job is incredible and THAT is what makes the model look so great in the images. I really DO like the model, but I prefer MOST of the defiler conversions I've seen.


Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:Unfortunately, the number of legs are wrong.

Um.. No?
Scorpions are arachnids, whic are characterized by having 8 limbs. This model has 6 legs and 2 claws (equals 8).

Just before everyone attacks you, a few pages back about 7 different people explained that a scorpion has 8 legs, PLUS two claws. There, the day is not a total waste. We learned something!

Platuan4th wrote:

GMTA. However, the Death Stinger is larger and more correct on the size a Brass Scorpion should be. Also, it looks better and can generally be found for cheaper on eBay($35-45) than the Deathpion.



Another shot with the head armor down and next to a group of Deathpions.

o_- what do you do with so much scorpions lol


@ others: -_- i dunno the details about zoids forgive me that i dunno there are large ones and small ones -_-

but $45 for a large one is still cheap imo.

JD21290 wrote:

1: striking scorpions are called so, but they have 2 legs and 2 arms, name doesent mean it is something
IMHO it looks amazing

But Karandras has a dicksting for a hat so that one is even...

The epic daemon engines look very (x2) silly by the way, glad they designed the brass scorpion different.

Greets
Schepp himself

Re: Brass Scorpion
Well, I clicked the link in my Forgeworld e-mail, said "holy ***!" and immediately grabbed my wallet. Literally. I think it is amazing. I think it looks dynamic, mean and fresh.

It is more high-tech looking than other Chaos stuff and I can see why people wouldn't like it - too sleek. But I love that FW is exploring ideas for Chaos that are more than "Imperial + skulls + spikes." And hey, if you collect World Eaters I'm pretty sure you have plenty of 28mm skulls lying around. Skull it up. Go nuts. Or convert your own from the Defiler, nobody will point and laugh.

Re: Epic

Based on what everyone has told me, and from personal experience talking with the local Epic players around here, it was the previous version, Epic 40,000, that torpedoed the game's chances as continuing as one of the "core three".

I agree with that. I'm no genius (or are I...) but FWIW I thought it had a terribly edited set of rulebooks. You had three little books, and rules were scattered and cross-referenced across all of them with no indexes (of course) or page references. I remember that it was literally difficult to figure out how to play a game - like, how to build an army and stuff like that. My friends and I found it annoying and confusing and by then we had been playing GW games for almost a decade. I can only imagine how baffling it was if you didn't know a Space Marine from a hole in the ground.

IMO the current Epic Armageddon combines the good parts of Epic 40k (the clean rules) with the good parts of the original epic series (defined lists that let you pretend that your army is more than dude + special rule 1 and dude + special rule 4).

And Perturabo's Chosen, I respect your love of the old school. I hoist a Zoat in your honor. And if FW does a Tower of Skulls I hope it looks like the old Epic one. But IMO those vintage daemon Engines were pretty weak sauce.

Scottywan82 wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:Unfortunately, the number of legs are wrong.

Um.. No?
Scorpions are arachnids, whic are characterized by having 8 limbs. This model has 6 legs and 2 claws (equals 8).

Just before everyone attacks you, a few pages back about 7 different people explained that a scorpion has 8 legs, PLUS two claws. There, the day is not a total waste. We learned something!

LOL
Funny you should have said that already.
I realized I needed to clarify myself when I saw the way people were jumping up and down over two legs...

I tried to get in before getting gang-banged by the forumites. LOL I hope this post clarifies it enough to keep that from happening.

My point was NOT that it was "biologically" correct. I've caught & seen enough scorpions at my brothers place to know better.
My point was that it has 8 appendages, so let it go. I should've been clearer.

I mean, what if it DID have 8 legs & 2 claws? Is the model okay, then?
What about the fact that it's "tail" shoots laser weapons, and REAL scorpion tails are CCW weapons with venom in them?
Has anyone complained about *that* yet? LOL


Eric

LunaHound wrote:

@ others: -_- i dunno the details about zoids forgive me that i dunno there are large ones and small ones -_-

but $45 for a large one is still cheap imo.

I only know about the Death Stinger cause I remembered seeing it in stores when I was looking for something to base a Brass Scorpion on, then googled for Scorpion Zoids. I was surprised that the in box price on eBay was that low. I'll probably end up getting one and the FW Scorpion to field 2 different looking Scorpions(mayhaps the Daemons have different aesthetic preferences).

yea, still aint got 8 legs and a set of klaws
so he just has a screwed up helmet
(even though he is THE best phoenix lord model)


all in all to follow on from schepps post, the epic models scale is screwed, how to you make a fully working gun that has the ability to turn 360 degs on such a small support?
the guns the same bloody size as it XD

and to be quite blunt, they look like predated crap.

JD, you sir are a liar. Nothing beats the awesome hand of Asuryan.

you mean the pale white guy missing a tan?
the one with the worsed possible aspect warriors, that are given the worsed kits
ranged catapaults and dodgy looking toilet brushes on thier head?

JD21290 wrote:you mean the pale white guy missing a tan?
the one with the worsed possible aspect warriors, that are given the worsed kits
ranged catapaults and dodgy looking toilet brushes on thier head?

I declare kanly against you and your house sir!

The Hand of Asuryan will destroy your Scorpion King. At range.

And it's not a toilet bowl cleaner. It's an insignia of rank. Not unlike Dennis Leary's comments about his own Catholicism, the bigger the hat, the higher your rank.

Asuryan's combed helmet brushes the very sky!

18" is range now?
im sure most self respecting green skins could throw grots further

so hat size = rank? then karandras beats asuryan
his even has fitted guns rather than a pretty fluffy thingy

JD21290 wrote:18" is range now?
im sure most self respecting green skins could throw grots further

Especially funny considering Shootas are only 18" range, too...

yea, but who takes shootas against eldar?
a good choppa and faithful jallopie is all they need

JD21290 wrote:18" is range now?
im sure most self respecting green skins could throw grots further

so hat size = rank? then karandras beats asuryan
his even has fitted guns rather than a pretty fluffy thingy

So you admit it IS pretty!

It's alright if you defeat my arguments. After all, they are Dire Avengers. Buh-dum-ching!

Back on topic:

Karandas sucks. Asurmen rules

No, seriously, back on topic:

The model is a bit clean for Chaos. Even with the exhaist pipes and bodies in the cabling in back. In many ways, that only makes it worse, because it's somewhat inconsistant with the sleek front of the model. I actually want to see more of the claws as well. They have an interesting design.

pretty doesent win wars
look at slaanesh, weak, fragile, but pretty (in a twisted daemon kinda way)

im not sure how they will avenge a choppa to the skull

they they must fight in the arena of death


thats what i was thinking, i was thinking skulls, alot of death, blood everywhere, lots of spikes and covoured in khorne symbols and chaos runes (since they are ancient and all)
but it looks like a DE talos with legs, but still an amazing model

Actually, as loath as I am to agree with the deranged, I must admit that that really is what it's missing. Not so much spikes, which I detest, but Chaos Runes. It's a remarkably blank looking vehicle.

JD21290 wrote:pretty doesent win wars

I resent that!

all those blank armour plates could look decent with runes inscribed in em
might be a dremel job and the old HOC book for rune reference so it makes sense XD


blackfand, thats why its just a pic
im sure to the right of that theres a stompa jumping up and down on a few land raiders

"1. It doesn't look like a Defiler. For me, this is a major plus.
2. It doesn't have any stupid faces or tentacles sprouting from it like so many "demonic vehicle" conversions done by overenthusiastic newbies with no sculpting experience. I like the fact that even though it's half-demon, there's no exposed "flesh", just demonic iron and living cables.
3. It looks alien, like something that wasn't designed by the same people as, say, a Chaos Dreadnought, which of course is true within the fictional context of the model.
4. it doesn't look like a metal scorpion. That'd be the lazy way out, kind of like making a Squiggoth out of a triceratops without even swapping the head. I expect more of FWiy"

1. Your opinion. I disagree
2. I prefer the techno-organic, randomly mutating look myself.
3. You raise a good point, but the defiler is also of an alien design, isn't it?
4. Your opinion. I hate this model, personally, because I think the torso looks 'squished', as if it's a tail with legs. I also imagined the scorpion cannon to have either more barrels, bigger barrels, or both. It is a heavy 10 weapon in the apoc rulebook, and that is a lot of dakka. What I do like, is the design of the claws, but I think that the limbs are too short. It could use more armor, too.

Awesome paint job, though.

Not to wander again, but isn't the Defiler commissioned by Abaddon to be created by the Daemon-worlds that have fallen tech priests?

Whereas, I'm guessing the Brass Scorpion is created by the Blood God himself as would be a Bloodthirster or a Cannon of Khorne.

I have to say though, that love it or hate it, it IS a uniqu starting point for a reimaginign of all the wicked cool Chaos Epic stuff. I'd love to see what they do with a Hell-knight or a Subjugator. Those clean, smooth plates might be better suited to that.

Looks well named to me. Scorpions are tails with legs.

See here

The tail weapon is heavy 10?

I see 5 autocannon barrels. No discrepancy there.
This isn't a machine that was then possessed. This is a demon created as a machine, so it won't look like some super defiler or possessed vehicle or what have you.

i love the model none the less
same thing as a jugger when it comes to how it was made and what it is.
just a demon with a metal / mechanical body.

I really like this model... As was said before I like the fact that it doesn't look like "Imperial + Skulls = Chaos" This thing looks like it was created in the warp, and rather than a machine that has been taken over by a daemon, it looks like a deamon that has always been a machine.
Personally I don't care for the paintjob. Don't get me wrong it's high caliber painting, but I definitely see alot more potential when I look at the "naked" pictures.

It's pretty, but it needs lots of spiky bits and chains to really seem like it's dedicated to Khorne. Easily remedied though. Still, Forgeworld's stuff is too pricey for me. I'll wait to see if the rumors about a US production facility are true, for this SHOULD bring their prices down.

Hey! 100th post!