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I actually love the sleek look, honestly. Khorne, as the Chaos god of violence and warfare, has a special resonance with the means that mortals go about pursuing it.


In the beginning, man made axes(for killing). Khorne had seen these axes, and saw that they were good(at killing). Thus, Khorne had made taken the axe as his chosen weapon of war and thus armed all his minions of them(for killing). Later, man made chainsaws(for killing). Khorne had seen these chainsaws, and saw that they were good(at killing, especially trees). Khorne took the chainsaws as his new tool of bloodshed, but decided that if one chainsaw per mans was killy, then he should glue as many as possible together and see what happens. He saw that it was good(at killing with chainsaws), and lo, he said unto the masses of blood stained cultists "BRING ME MOAR SKULLZ". Thus it has been written, and thus it has come to pass.

i thought that's how 40 k math worked

imperial + skulls = chaos
elves + space = eldar
eldar + spikes = dark eldar
orks - clans - silly + steroids = orks that can actually win games(and are quite good at it now)
genestealers - actually stealing genes = negative hybrids (why do they still call them genestealers then)
imperium - squats = tau? (need to show work/proof)
chaos andriods - working with milton bradly = necrons (this one is for the fellow die-hard oldschoolers)

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:imperial + skulls = chaos

I remember a time when this wasn't true. I still use models from when this wasn't true.

Platuan4th wrote:Another shot with the head armor down and next to a group of Deathpions.

I love that you have a Zoids collection!
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Clay Williams wrote:The model has a strong triangular presence from all almost every angle.

It may not fit some peoples idea of fluff but the work is a success.

To me, the model is essentially pyramidal, conveying a sense of static stability that doesn't seem appropriate for a walker.
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Railguns wrote:And have you seen how scorpions fit 8 legs onto their frame? Do you see how they bend backwards perpendicular to the ground and then bend down to hold up their weight? Do you really want to stress resin like that? It looks perfect without the 4th pair of walking legs.

You mean like this?


The Heirodule isn't as badly-stressed, but it has similar balance / support issues.
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Elusive71 wrote:The pricier (and fairly rare) Deathpion (AKA Zagram) looks like this:

Yup, that's the 1/20 Tomy/Wave model that I referenced earlier.
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Masaioh wrote:Awesome paint job, though.

Totally agreed, also that the paint job is the best part of the model. GW really has raised their game as far as painting goes.

No, not like the Heirophant. Most of its weight is transferred down as most of the length of the leg is vertical. The last pair of legs on the scorpion picture earlier is literally parallel to the ground for most of its length, putting most of the stress on those small "ankle" joints. If they had put that on this model they would more than likely just be a big headache to keep from breaking.


That or they made the same mistake that half of the people posting here did and didn't realize that there were really 10 limbs on a scorpion.

"The tail weapon is heavy 10?

I see 5 autocannon barrels. No discrepancy there.
This isn't a machine that was then possessed. This is a demon created as a machine, so it won't look like some super defiler or possessed vehicle or what have you. "

I didn't take a good look at the pics, sorry. The one angle made it look like 3 barrels. The rest of my comment still stands.

@Railguns: How much weight do you think sits on the rear legs of the Heirophant, and how much stress do you think those little rear ankles take?

Also, a Scorpion has enough legs that you can probably balance most of the weight forward so that the rearmost legs are non-load-bearing and only needed for extra stability.

I just want to know how it was painted. I like the paint job better than the model.

I dunno. This looks like something more along the lines of the Talos or some new Necron construct than a Chaos construct.

You know what this looks like? A really, really, giant Warjack. It looks like a Khador Warjack.

Polonius wrote:You know what this looks like? A really, really, giant Warjack. It looks like a Khador Warjack.

Only cause it's red. The physical design looks much more like the Leviathan or Harrower.

Platuan4th wrote:

Polonius wrote:You know what this looks like? A really, really, giant Warjack. It looks like a Khador Warjack.

Only cause it's red. The physical design looks much more like the Leviathan or Harrower.

Ok, well, that's already more PP specifics than I know. I said warjack, and my roomate said Khador. I guess they're the red guys.

Polonius wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Polonius wrote:You know what this looks like? A really, really, giant Warjack. It looks like a Khador Warjack.

Only cause it's red. The physical design looks much more like the Leviathan or Harrower.

Ok, well, that's already more PP specifics than I know. I said warjack, and my roomate said Khador. I guess they're the red guys.

Them and the Skorne.

Sblood for the sblood god!

it is full of sexy. it is new chaos warmachine goodness. the old school chaos warmachines are really full of lose. I am hoping the the era of skulls and spikes is coming to close. this is more demon and less imperial tech.

Yeah, now that I think about it, it does look like what the Skorne would build if they made warjacks.

Nurglitch wrote:Looks well named to me. Scorpions are tails with legs.

See here

That's a good find, Nurglitch. The inspiration is obvious.

I think it is a fantastic model. I also find it very funny that the front claw weapons look like tunneling tools. Perhaps it will be a chaos ploy in the siege of vraks to counter the corps' hades tunnelers.

All in all, the response to this model has been pretty overwhelmingly negative. Warseer has a fullblown hate-on going, and some of the other forums I've read are joining in.

I don't think this thread has been 'overwhelmingly negative', to be honest. Personally, I quite like it - love the cabling and other detailing under those brutal slabs of armour. Paint scheme rocks too.

I think that it's very cool-looking. It is, however, a large departure from the 40K Chaos style of the last ten years. OTOH, I pretty much hated that style, so I'm willing to be open-minded about something new.

Yeah, I would say that - at least on this forum - there's a pretty solid group who likes the figure. And even those that don't have not been "overwhelmingly" negative.

It's almost refreshing.

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:
imperial + skulls = chaos

Who are you kidding? Many Imperium models outskull chaos. I counted fifteen on the Land Raider, old school terminator marine captain had eleven. Dont start me on cities of death buildings.

legion of the damned have more skulls than most, yet they aint chaos

I think it's absolutely beautiful. Like hubcap, I started reaching for my wallot. Unfortunately, step 2 was checking the bank balance (overdraft says no :( )....

Aesthetically it reminds of certain 1st edition chaos marines, in which a sleek futuristic look was quite evident. I appreciate that some people won't like aesthetic, but as they probably equate chaos with an obsession for spikes or are spamming clunky old zoids over this thread, I'm quite satisfied our opinions differ.

Little amount of skulls: Space Marines
Proper amount of skulls: Chaos
Ridiculous amount of skulls: Inquisition

So we have the holy trinity of: wannabe, real thing and poseur. ^^

On the model itself, in just one sentence: Too sleek. Hubcab already said that, but I'll side with Lord Blackfang, as I, too, do not like it as for what it is supposed to be:

Yeah, it is a demon engine, so it may follow different rules, but let's take a look at Khorne's csmand Khorne chaos demons: Both are bulky. Both have the proper amount of skulls. Both fitting the stereotypical ideal of "the ultimate warrior" (meaning: Schwarzenegger's Conan, not the colourful friend of Macho Man Randy Savage). Therefore, I like the brass scorpion built from defiler parts, because it fits with the idea of taking something that worked and adding more Khorne stuff to it to make it better. Cargo cult, but fluffy.

I'll also side with the epic fraction: I like the idea of stuff named different from its looks, so I'd be happy with wheels, actually: 40k is one of the few modern games that does not use the ...hm... japanese idea of doing robot versions of animals. Which, to me, makes it distinct.

So to me, the FW model does not fit in with either army.

Besides that: I love the use of cabling because of its mangaesque feel, the cut of the armour plates (which look nice and are so very, very inefficient that they fit into 40k perfectly), and the paint job is a nice try to make it khornate. For a dark mechanicum army built on the same design principles, it will be great. Could be done with lots of guitar wire and some greenstuff for robes. A prety simple project. Hmmm... another army I could build and never paint...

An idea that just struck me is that there's no hydraulics, nuts, bolts or other worky bits. There's this feeling that were you disable the thing, it'd just fall apart into a tangle of cables and a couple of pieces of metal. Instead of being a machine in its own right it's almost a shell for some outside force to inhabit.

Weighing in for the positive crowd.

I love the sweep and majesty of it. It is reminiscent of some of the Chaos constructs in Dan Abnett's work, like the Incunabula from the Ravenor trilogy. An ancient creature housed in metal, not constructed or polluted by the artifice of mankind. Pure, simple, deadly.

I also love the juxtaposition between the formidable armour plating and weapons, and the semi-organic cabling and corpse-bits behind.

It's different, it's fantastic. And to the berk complaining that it's nothing like the original Epic version: it still does everything it did originally, but now it has legs instead of wheels. So what?

I would like to upgrade my description of it being 'animated' to 'nimble'

I can imagine it circling enemy Superheavies before plunging into the kill, climbing on top, carving apart the hull, all the while it's tail gun blazing away at those foolish enough to come close.

Amazing piece of kit!

Put me in the 'like' camp. The things friggin huge (2 Structure Points my ass!), and it looks great. My only issue are the claws, 'cause I kinda wanted them to be buzz-saws, not unweildy looking multi-chainblades. Anyway, beyond that it's cool. Who cares how many legs it has...

Agamemnon2 wrote:Instead of being a machine in its own right it's almost a shell for some outside force to inhabit.

Well it is a daemon engine.

Agamemnon2 wrote:I am boggled by your opinion, and the blunt way in which you insinuate that the idea of anyone actually liking this model is literally inconcevable to you.

Polonius wrote:And, Agamemnon2, that's John's thing. The real beauty of it is that not only can he state an opinion in such a way as to insinuate that any that disagrees is morally reprehensible; he can dodge out from almost any stated opinion.

What boggles my mind is how long it's taking people to catch onto this. Maybe DD is an expert at hiding in plain sight, but guys, he's been doing this since he got here.

BYE

I like the model. But when I first saw it, I said to myself "I have seen this before...."

http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139817&page=2