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Demogerg wrote:I hate them because in over 12 years of playing warhammer I have never played a game against them.

I played them once, he charged them all and got killed by my grey knights in close combat, i lost 4 models, he lost his whole army

Bad dice or bad player? The DE army itself is much better then that.

Tonytiger89 wrote:he charged them all and got killed by my grey knights in close combat

Sounds like bad player to me, though I think his warriors made their points back at least

i love the army and the fluff , to bad they have sucky models , and correct me if i'm wrong but i think they only have a second edition codex... and if i find a way to convert them ...i'd do it

Depends what you mean by second edition.

They have a second edition of their codex.

It came out in third edition of 40k.

jsullivanlaw wrote:I hope they squat nids' and i hope the fluff reasoning behind it is that "Squats ate them". Poetic justice.

That's one of the stupidest ideas I've ever seen.

Arschbombe wrote:

jsullivanlaw wrote:I hope they squat nids' and i hope the fluff reasoning behind it is that "Squats ate them". Poetic justice.

That's one of the stupidest ideas I've ever seen.

Haha that would be hilarious.. Sure its stupid, so are the preportions of a leman russ.

Though the proportions of a Leman Russ wouldn't deny a bunch of players an army they'd already worked on.

Fear not it will never happen.. Dark eldar however are likley to be eaten by ravenous squats.

Archonate wrote:Maybe it's just my craziness, but what makes DE players so different for wanting an update? As far as I can discern, the only difference between DE players and everybody else is that everybody else gets updated codices for all their complaining.

I completely agree that most players want updates to feel loved and "special". As I have plenty of armies, I actually prefer a slower pace of updates because it promotes metagame stability and reduces my overall expenditures. I, for one, hope that GW never updates my DaemonHunters, and this is for purely selfish reasons. I am completely satisfied with what DH currently gives me (Mystics, playable Storms, etc.), and any update is only going to screw it up.

However, the DE players take things to a far different level. As far as I know, DE are the only army with an actual prohibition against creating new threads on Dakka without substance. It's not like you see CD or DoW players bombing the Skaven threads with whines for a new Army Book.

But the idea that somehow GW is picking on DE unfairly is a bit odd. DE actually did get an update, and there are other players who went longer without any updates at all. Many even lost their armies...

I think Squats is the only subject that GW ever ruled couldn't be talked about at all.

The only DE ban on Dakka is as regards rumors of new releases - and really specifically only insomuch as posting those Haemy greens go - the fact that so many people are so eagerly scrabbling for rumors seems to be a black mark on the DE player base? It sounds like a player base GW would want to foster. One eager for news and clamoring for the chance to buy new stuff.

Actually, back in the day, it was Wraithlords...

IMO, there's a lot of churn for the sake of churn, but whether it actually would convert to monetary sales is hard to say.

So far, it doesn't appear to have...

I have one thing to say . . . who needs a new codex when the rules work well enough as it is? Ok, so yes some rules need re-writing, or unifying with 5th edition. But if they can still kick ass then why do they need changing?

Other than clarification, the only reasons they need a new codex are to increase fluff, and create models of equal awesomeness to the army list =p

Thor665 wrote:Depends what you mean by second edition.

They have a second edition of their codex.

It came out in third edition of 40k.

Both editions of the DE Codex came out in third 40k ed.

Angron wrote:Quite frankly I've never met a dark eldar player who wasn't a little off in the head. Maybe you're the mythical sane DE player, and it's everyother DE player who is crazy.

And for those of you think that your half naked toy soldiers don't make people look at you funny..... they do, you just haven't noticed it yet.

Quite frankly I've known few DE players, but any of them (including me) had mental problems - if that is what you mean. That's just a lame comment. And the "lust-naked" thing has been present in WFB and 40k since the begining, 25 years ago, with Slaanesh. If that bothers you, you might like better any other game. I don't understand how you play Chaos knowing the nature of Chaos in the game. Angron is a half ton berzerker with wires in his head. Yeah, I see stuff like that everyday in my city... absolutely sane. Nurgle is dirt, illness... No one sane is appealed for that IRL. But this is fiction... DE are not sillier than the whole 40k universe.

YEAH! I concur Erasoketa's point. I too am a sane DE player. And DE are deffinetly not the the worst for flaunting their flesh. Slaanesh anyone?

I love the way that Dark Eldar players seem to have suddenly been branded as 'whiners', and 'off in the head'.

It's other people playing a different army of toy soldiers to you, who would like an update. If you think that makes it appropriate for you to question their mental health, then to be honest, you clearly have no idea of what someone with mental problems is actually like. It is a game of toy soldiers. Deal with it.

Oshova wrote:I have one thing to say . . . who needs a new codex when the rules work well enough as it is? Ok, so yes some rules need re-writing, or unifying with 5th edition. But if they can still kick ass then why do they need changing?

To be honest, if they gave us new models and basically reprinted the codex for a third time, but now with an extra ten-twelve pages of fluff I'd be pretty well content even if they did want to leave us with all our wargear and rules that don't work in 5th. The competitiveness of the codex is not an issue - a codex with two pages of fluff and a line of ancient models is a much bigger fault to my mind.

Ketara wrote:The truth

C'mon, you're out of your mind! When people walk by the line of people playing with small painted minis and see the rampaging Orks fighting the half naked Daemons while bigoted super soldiers stomp on half naked awesome dark elf boobies then everyone is totally like "whoah, I bet that guy playing the elves is half insane, unlike all the other reasonable and normal people playing the game...obviously."

It's science, you can't argue with it.

JohnHwangDD wrote:DE actually did get an update, and there are other players who went longer without any updates at all. Many even lost their armies...

Who gives a feth about a 3rd edition update? We want a new codex. Even this amazing "update" of yours is still older and more outdated than any other codex, yet you're still on this endless tirade about how DE players are supposed to be content with it... Go ahead and speak up for the massive Squats player base now as though they didn't stop caring 10 years ago.

I personally am of the opinion that they should've not come out with a new edition of gameplay WITHOUT having all available armies up to date with the "current" edition of rules.

so, obviously the DE didnt get a new book for 4th Ed. but, i think that GW needs to bring everyone up to 5th in time for 6th Ed. to come out (even if some of the Codices are geared more for the newer edition yet to come out)

I don't hate them. Rather I view them as a sick pet that should be euthanized. They are a useless, uninspired army. A basic copy and paste of Eldar in terms of weapons and stats with minor differences.

starbomber109 wrote:

RxGhost wrote:
I find this to be quite humorous, since I play both Dark Angels and Necrons, and have no problems with their current books at all.

You did chop out my bit about Chaos whiners though, you've got them in their sig as well.

That's because I like the new book better for mah Skulltakers, 'specially now with Zhufor (Str 10 Powahfist and EW!).


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Here's the thing though, I hate the Dark Eldar in their current form...HATE. I don't like the models, I don't like the fluff, I don't like their pets. Especially since I find the Dark Elves in Fantasy such a compelling army with interesting story. I would like to see Dark Eldar back, but I want to see new models, new rules and new fluff.

I might have said this before, but to bring them back now in their current state would be like that episode of Buffy where Dawn tries to bring their mother back from the dead and Buffy's all:
"You can't do this, it's not the mom we knew!"
And Dawn is all:
"I don't care, I'm lonely and I love my mom!"
And then Buffy just smacks her.

Good times.

olympia wrote:I don't hate them. Rather I view them as a sick pet that should be euthanized. They are a useless, uninspired army. A basic copy and paste of Eldar in terms of weapons and stats with minor differences.

And I would argue the exact same for Marines...if we're going to have a end-all Codex:Eldar, then we should have an end-all Codex:SM that includes all of the chapters in one book.

In fact, let's just make a Codex:Xenos as well, and group them all into one army...

Archonate wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:DE actually did get an update, and there are other players who went longer without any updates at all. Many even lost their armies...

Even this amazing "update" of yours is still older and more outdated than any other codex,

Go ahead and speak up for the massive Squats player base now as though they didn't stop caring 10 years ago.

Untrue, as noted above. Exaggeration doesn't help your case when you need to argue from a basis of falsehood.

See, now if Squats hadn't been Squatted, they'd have more of a claim than DE.

olympia wrote:I don't hate them. Rather I view them as a sick pet that should be euthanized. They are a useless, uninspired army. A basic copy and paste of Eldar in terms of weapons and stats with minor differences.

Mostly agree with this statement but I also despise the art direction they went with. They look like power rangers mixed with leather metal bands and some bondage thrown in.

However the biggest thing that DE has against 'em is likely their poor business sales. It is interesting to see the internet phenom known as the DE population but in reality they were probably one of GW's failures even though they were boxed in a starter set.

Personally I'd rather see Eldar get some more plastics and redone before DE. Perhaps maybe even make DE a part of a new Eldar dex.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

See, now if Squats hadn't been Squatted,

I like that. I really do. Maybe signature material?
Anywho, I don't hade the Dark Eldar. They're an army waiting for an update. I started collecting Csm when their 3rd Book was released, and I had to wait for about 5 years for them to get updated. And instead of whining, I simply looked forward to when my beloved denizens of Chaos would be updated. And I read every book which featured the csm in it. The point is, I know several de players, and I've never heard them whine. So can those who keep whining simply build up their forces and prepare for the update. Or start a new army.

karimabuseer wrote:The point is, I know several de players, and I've never heard them whine. So can those who keep whining simply build up their forces and prepare for the update. Or start a new army.

Who are those who are whining? I dispute that the batch of DE players who whine do so in any greater amount to any other chosen topic to whine about in 40k.

olympia wrote:I don't hate them. Rather I view them as a sick pet that should be euthanized. They are a useless, uninspired army. A basic copy and paste of Eldar in terms of weapons and stats with minor differences.

Totally, now let me copy and paste those holofields onto my raiders... Seriously though, Eldar and Dark Eldar are nothing alike. It's like comparing marines to IG.

Thor665 wrote:Who are those who are whining? I dispute that the batch of DE players who whine do so in any greater amount to any other chosen topic to whine about in 40k.

Obviously we don't have any statistics to firmly establish the truth of the matter as to how many players of what outdated codices complain with what frequency. But enough DE players have complained and whined in enough threads on enough forums to create the impression that the DE player base is whinier than those of the Necron and Inquisition players. Maybe it's not the quanity of the whining, maybe it's the style or the placement. Maybe the Necron and Inquisition fans only complain amongst themselves while the DE players spread their complaints around. In any case, people have the impression that DE players are whiny and that impression wasn't just conjured out of thin air.

Arschbombe wrote:

Thor665 wrote: Maybe the Necron and Inquisition fans only complain amongst themselves while the DE players spread their complaints around.

What?!? People still play Necrons and Inquisition?

olympia wrote:I don't hate them. Rather I view them as a sick pet that should be euthanized. They are a useless, uninspired army. A basic copy and paste of Eldar in terms of weapons and stats with minor differences.

You must have confused them with space marine chapter differences, in which case, I agree. Basic copy and paste in terms of weapons and stats with minor differences.
Eldar and Dark Eldar on the other hand... Well the only thing they have in common is that dark lances are identical to bright lances. In no other way are they even remotely similar.
Space Marines have more in common with Chaos than Eldar have with Dark Eldar.