Dark Eldar rumours - another try

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**JohnHwangDD**

The GW website doesn't actually say DE are coming in November, just "soon"...

It's entirely possible that November is LotR, and DE is Jan or Feb 2011.

Presumably, GD UK will clarify whether DE release in November or some other time.

Also, to be fair, when you have a 12+year timeline, something as vague as "soon" could easily mean "within the next 2 or 3 years"...

**Kroothawk**

Laughing God wrote:Talked to my local store guy this weekend and he informs me that this upcomeing DE release will actually just be a "preview" for next years actual release.

I am quite happy with a small test release of 6 plastic kits, 3 metal kits, three blisters, a special item and the Codex. We need more test releases like that

Does anyone really believe that next Saturday, Jes will preview miniatures of the next year?

Believe me, it's a November release with more following next year.

**grak**

I thought '3 metal kits' was corrected to '2 metal kits'.

My prediction is that Jes will reveal them on Games Day and 'eavy metal/official pics will appear on the official website on Monday. Just a guess, but I don't think GW will want blurry camera phone shots floating around for more than few days.

**Melissia**

JohnHwangDD wrote:It's entirely possible that November is LotR, and DE is Jan or Feb 2011.

It's also possible they'll just say "whoops, sorry, just kidding, here's another Marine codex instead." But I think the November DE, January GK timeline is more probable.

**Pael**

Melissia wrote:It's also possible they'll just say "whoops, sorry, just kidding, here's another Marine codex instead."

Yeah didn't you hear that the DE are actually one of the two founding chapters that have been expunged from record. They are now coming back to reclaim their birthright.

But seriously I am really excited that a new codex is finally coming out, I thought the DE were down and out for the count.

All these rumors threads can finally be forgotten.

**Oshova**

Melissia wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:It's entirely possible that November is LotR, and DE is Jan or Feb 2011.
It's also possible they'll just say "whoops, sorry, just kidding, here's another Marine codex instead." But I think the November DE, January GK timeline is more probable.

I'm pretty sure it's actually BT, DA, BA, C:SM, then DE and GK =p

I wouldn't put it past GW

Oshova

**Athera**

Sidstyler wrote:Hey, January or February works just fine for me.

I'm ok with "day after never". But I'll settle for Schadenfreude.

**reds8n**

From GW's GD hype post..

Dark Eldar
1. Lifting the veil on the Dark Eldar project with Jes Goodwin and Phil Kelly.
2. 'Eavy Metal painted miniatures, artwork, concept drawings, 3UPs, plastic frames all on display.
3. Dark Eldar video presentation

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

grak wrote:I thought '3 metal kits' was corrected to '2 metal kits'.

My prediction is that Jes will reveal them on Games Day and 'eavy metal/official pics will appear on the official website on Monday. Just a guess, but I don't think GW will want blurry camera phone shots floating around for more than few days.

The Heavy Metal team will have surely finished painting, the varnish dried, and brushes washed and ready for the next project. The cameraman will ahve done his bit and the post production stuff likewise.
If they don't want blurry pics floating around there is a very simple solution...

**gorgon**

reds8n wrote:From GW's GD hype post..

Dark Eldar
1. Lifting the veil on the Dark Eldar project with Jes Goodwin and Phil Kelly.
2. 'Eavy Metal painted miniatures, artwork, concept drawings, 3UPs, plastic frames all on display.
3. Dark Eldar video presentation

Wow, nice. Actually more than I expected. Didn't think we'd see much of #2 beyond artwork and drawings.

And it's amusing the degree to which some of you guys twist yourselves into knots trying to make the release something other than November.

**puma713**

gorgon wrote:
reds8n wrote:From GW's GD hype post..

Dark Eldar
1. Lifting the veil on the Dark Eldar project with Jes Goodwin and Phil Kelly.
2. 'Eavy Metal painted miniatures, artwork, concept drawings, 3UPs, plastic frames all on display.
3. Dark Eldar video presentation

Wow, nice. Actually more than I expected. Didn't think we'd see much of #2 beyond artwork and drawings.

And it's amusing the degree to which some of you guys twist yourselves into knots trying to make the release something other than November.

Although I agree with you, gorgon, I also think it's amusing the degree of certainty that anyone has regarding something that has been on the backburner for so long when all they have to go on is, "some new dark eldar miniatures" and a few rumors.

**grak**

3. Dark Eldar video presentation

Bet that goes up on the official youtube channel soon after.

**JohnHwangDD**

Melissia wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:It's entirely possible that November is LotR, and DE is Jan or Feb 2011.
It's also possible they'll just say "whoops, sorry, just kidding, here's another Marine codex instead." But I think the November DE, January GK timeline is more probable.

What's that? New Black Templars Codex with recut sprues?

Awesome! I'd actually buy some!

**Minsc**

So, who wants to predict that the Dark Eldar model prices are going to finally match the rest of their 40K peers (See: Jack up everything's price by $5-$15 USD)? Come on, we can't have a $30-ish box of 10 Metal Models, that'd be crazy. Here comes boxes of five wyches for $25 USD.

Just how many of the special characters do people think will remain? I imagine the Incubi one and Asrubael Vect are pretty much givens for staying in, as is Lillith (what with being in pretty much half of all the books that involve Dark Eldar). Urien and the Executioner also seem pretty sure-thing, Urien as a named Haemonculi and the Executioner as a unit-upgrade for a single Mandrake unit. Kruellagh (sp) is the only one I can think of being swapped out or removed.

**H.B.M.C.**

gorgon wrote:Wow, nice. Actually more than I expected. Didn't think we'd see much of #2 beyond artwork and drawings.

This is a big deal for GW. They have to make DE work for them as a viable force (from a sales perspective). It's actually a huge risk.

**Alpharius**

The last Dark Eldar Rumor Thread was closed due to the ridiculous amount of off topic posts.

We're actually close to some pretty good information.

So, NO MORE Off Topic Posts - this includes:

1) More stupid "I bet a Space Marine Codex is next" 'jokes'
2) Your plans for your proposed DE army
3) etc.

**Henners91**

Bloodwin wrote:I'd be very surprised if the Talos is metal, all of the 'dreadnought type' models are plastic now. I could see a 'named' Talos as being metal but even that would be stretching it.

Is the Penitent Engine plastic?

**H.B.M.C.**

Henners91 wrote:Is the Penitent Engine plastic?

Is the Penitent Engine a recent model?

**Manchu**

Minsc wrote: Kruellagh (sp) is the only one I can think of being swapped out or removed.

I am just as excited to see some new faces as anyone else but I really hope K stays in. For one thing, the model is great. I think it's one of the best female figs GW has produced, maybe the best in 40k. I also like her fluff. I admit, of course, that her rules need some development as she is one of the most uniformly derided characters of the current dex.

H.B.M.C. wrote:This is a big deal for GW. They have to make DE work for them as a viable force (from a sales perspective). It's actually a huge risk.

I'm inclined to agree but only because GW is so risk-averse. Even if the DE release is truly of the scope we're expecting and it goes well, as it almost definitely will as long as the models aren't outright gak, I wouldn't expect to see GW taking more "big risks" along these lines. Hence an upcoming GK book while there are naught but shadows of rumors regarding Sisters.

In other news, I just read the new DE story in Fear the Alien that Kanluwen mentioned earlier. It doesn't contain anything earth shattering so, if BL authors are told anything about new releases, I wouldn't bank on DE vets having to change that much up regarding their current builds and strats.

**H.B.M.C.**

Manchu wrote: Even if the DE release is truly of the scope we're expecting and it goes well .... I wouldn't expect to see GW taking more "big risks" along these lines.

It's more of a test. If this goes well then they know that they can put more effort into the fringe armies if they make a big deal about them when they come out. If it doesn't, we'll see a shift in the release schedule that brings Marines and Eldar up, but shifts Necrons back and Sisters into oblivion (Tau stay where they are as they're generally seen as a 'risk free' release). If it works, expect more effort to be put into the Necron re-release than would have otherwise happened.

**skrulnik**

Manchu wrote:
Minsc wrote: Kruellagh (sp) is the only one I can think of being swapped out or removed.
I am just as excited to see some new faces as anyone else but I really hope K stays in. For one thing, the model is great. I think it's one of the best female figs GW has produced, maybe the best in 40k.

Are you mixing Kruellagh with Lylith?
IIRC Krue looks like some creepy Gary Morely sculpted harpy, whereas Lylith is a lithe Wyche with a cool trident.

**JohnHwangDD**

skrulnik wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Minsc wrote: Kruellagh (sp) is the only one I can think of being swapped out or removed.
I am just as excited to see some new faces as anyone else but I really hope K stays in. For one thing, the model is great. I think it's one of the best female figs GW has produced, maybe the best in 40k.

Are you mixing Kruellagh with Lylith?
IIRC Krue looks like some creepy Gary Morely sculpted harpy, whereas Lylith is a lithe Wyche with a cool trident.

Lilith is huge, tho. She's just about the biggest Elfgirl GW sells.

**Gwar!**

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Only a week till tons of new delicious infos!

**gorgon**

puma713 wrote:Although I agree with you, gorgon, I also think it's amusing the degree of certainty that anyone has regarding something that has been on the backburner for so long when all they have to go on is, "some new dark eldar miniatures" and a few rumors.

I hear you, but enough rumormongers I trust say it's November and a normal army release, not some machination to trick the customers. To paraphrase Freud, "sometimes a Space Hulk is just a Space Hulk."

I hate the expression "where there's smoke, there's fire", because that just lends credence to ANYTHING said. However, in this environment that GW has created, when reliable people share a little something I take that to mean they probably know a little bit more that they aren't sharing. I think we could know a little more than we do, but people are playing by the rules these days and trying not to get sources in trouble.

Back more properly on DE, it'd be really interesting to be at GDUK to hear what Jes (and maybe Phil?) has to say about them, provided they're able to talk semi-freely.

**Manchu**

I think Lelith could definitely use a new sculpt. She might have been awesome 12 years ago but in 2010, she'd look better in the cartoonish PP galleries (Cryx, anyone?) than among a more serious, scary DE line.

Are there any whispers about which ICs we'll see? There was so much talk about the SW ones but I've yet to read a thing about who will make the DE book. A sign that there will be little change in the line up perhaps?

**JohnHwangDD**

Manchu wrote:I think Lelith could definitely use a new sculpt. She might have been awesome 12 years ago but in 2010, she'd look better in the cartoonish PP galleries (Cryx, anyone?)

Hmm... Yeah, that'd work. PP is 30mm, so, she'd be a good match to convert up as an alternate Deneghra.

**Skarboy**

I'm hoping someone leaks the codex soon. Hey, I don't want to encourage piracy, but I'm dying to know units, points values, special rules, etc. to start making sense of all this. While I'll expect skimmer fleets to still be a viable primary tactic, I want to know what tricks they have and plan my preorder.

**bhsman**

Nestled in a discussion about counts-as armies, Fritz dropped this at the end of a blog post:

http://saimhann.blogspot.com/2010/09/count-as-dark-eldar-harlequins.html#/

Same thing is now going to happen with Eldar and the Dark Eldar codex. Again, full disclaimer here, I have not seen a copy of the codex proper, don’t have, want, and never will have the .PDF or a bootleg version. What I have seen are confirmed stat lines and rules for certain models, and my mind is already in motion with ideas.

I called it before other news 40K sites posted it- harlequins are and will be in the Dark Eldar codex, and they are. Far from “broken” they are at least now updated for 5th and blow the Eldar ‘quins out of the water. Why play the older stuff, when I can play the newer stuff? Why can’t I proxy a farseer or phoenix lord as a DE HQ? Why can’t I use my rangers as warriors? Wraithlords as a telos, vypers as ravagers, and well jetbikes as jetbikes? Fritz playing a count as army?

I’ve got enough Eldar junk to do it, but if I was starting back over, I’d be writing and building a list to work with both codexes- Eldar and Dark Eldar. Period...

The next question is will harlequins “work” in the DE codex? By this I mean as an army on their own as in max out the total number of clowns and come up with a delivery system for them to crush other 5th edition armies. I’ve done this in the current Eldar codex, it works, and I’ll still be running this variant, and the good news here is that the Eldar ‘dex isn’t changing any time soon. As for DE clowns, not enough info yet there so I don't know if it is totally viable- I still need to see certain units, and how their psychic powers stack up. DE psychic powers? Yes, they said no to drugs and are apparently master psykers now also. Eldrad cries another tear, and Tyranids get smacked around a bit more- hey your raider is open topped- I can SEE you, you can fire, flame, punk me, but I can’t use my hive mind mojo on you…

No idea if it's valid, but it should provide for some good discussion. Case in point: Dark Eldar - master psykers. You may begin.

**Oshova**

Dark Eldar Psykers? Although this interests me as a psyker lover, it depresses me as a Dark Eldar player. Tehy've always appeared to me to have shyed away from their psyker cousins, and turned more towards brute force, and torture.

So I'm hoping only the Harleys are psychic, and the Dark Eldar themselves are more anti-psychic. Maybe they could become the "New Sisters of Battle"?

Oshova

**Skarboy**

Eh, I'd have preferred they be the consummate anti-psykers, but it's not surprising, to say the least. Good to hear Harlequins are updated to not be overcosted and nerfed by the Rending rule change. Hopefully they serve a distinct role separate from the wyches.