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Samus_aran115 wrote:What if sisters got something like this:

No.

AlexHolker wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:What if sisters got something like this:

No.

I'll second that. They have always had power armor and that shouldn't change.

I still think it's more of a conditional 3+ save though....I dunno. I seriously doubt it would provide as significant protection as space marine power armor. Too bad there's no such thing as a 3.5+ save

Please stay on topic, and keep the "Proposed Rules" in the right section...

Samus_aran115 wrote:I still think it's more of a conditional 3+ save though....I dunno. I seriously doubt it would provide as significant protection as space marine power armor.

It does in-game, and it specifically says that it does in the codex.

Ergo, it does. Simple as that.

Just because the model design is crappy does not mean that there is any need to change the rules. It just means there's a need to change the models.

Which, I'm hoping, the Sisters codex will bring. When I think of the concept behind Sisters of Battle, I want to see knights in shining armor. Not corsets, bras, and skirts...

We won't know until sometime mid next year, though, at this rate-- we didn't know the looks for Dark Eldar except maybe a month before? Heck, we don't even know the looks of the Grey Knight codex and models which is rumored to be next.

Sisters of Battle are not, have never been, nor ever will be, "knights in shining armor".

That's y'know..."The Grey Knights".

I think she might be referring to how the Sisters of Battle are based off Joan of Arc as well as the Nun thing. Though I wouldn't call her a knight per say.

Good thing that this is not the topic of this thread.

You are right. I am sorry.


The topic of this thread is making Kroothawk the Rumour Master.

Kanluwen wrote:Sisters of Battle are not, have never been, nor ever will be, "knights in shining armor".

That's y'know..."The Grey Knights".

You also forgot Black Templars (for those who like Knights, but hate merlin)

I really hope the redo the "sisters" into a multi-gender "Forces of the Inquisition" codex (basically, inquisitorial forces that aren't space marines, male or female)... to assume that the IoM is such a patriarchal chauvinistic society that they would never consider a female "primarch" or "space marine" and that every lord-govener/high inquisitor I have EVER HEARD OF (including the High Lords of Terra) have been male but they would have an entire BRANCH of the military with the top-of-the-line armor/weaponry that is ONLY women is quite the stretch... The SoB as they are seem to me to be merely a failed form of "fanservice" that really does nothing else but serve a testament to the Sexism of wargamers (and society) and should be addressed. (Now, I believe that the new =I= forces should still have battle sisters in it, but there is no reason((sans fuzzy-logic/inconsistant realism/CS Goto)) they should/would not have males side-by-side in their ranks).

As far as the schedule is concerned, again, I am hoping that they do GKs justice (just because I would like to see more opponents using them/would be nice to see how they do a 'heavy psyker' army) but what I would be more interested in would be more WD released material (like the nightspinner). I think it gives GW a chance to update certain armies in a small way, but enough to keep their fanbases interested until their actual codex update is released. (TBH I'm expecting a WD Sheet for the Storm Raven that would apply to all the SM armies ((BT, DA, SW, and Basemarines. As well as possibly GreyKnights, unless they just include it in the codex) as well as some online tutorials (or even just pictures) on how to make the models that don't exist yet (or at least give an approximate size/base size to keep things consistant between gamers. TBH ATM I don't know if I should be putting my old Grotesque models on Termi-sized bases and I have no clue what to use for Wracks...)

LOL I was waiting to see how long it took for Melissia to get here, what with all the SoB talk.

This thread has pretty well jumped the shark. I foresee a locking in the near future.

Ok so lets get back on topic then.

Are we still expecting to see the following schedule then for next year?

Grey Knights
Necrons (maybe Tau)
Sisters
Tau (or maybe Necrons)

I didn't name months since these thigns are so fluid but I expect based on what people have said for the first codex to arrive in March though it would be nice to see January then April like this year.
Despite what Jes said i think we still have plenty of time to see Sisters next year as it implies they have more than started work on the Sisters if they are looking at some detail problems.

With that recent Stormraven pic released, its GOT to be GK's next. Never been a huge fan of the IP of GK/SoB/Inquisition AND despised the players who used/are using these books to make some uber cheesy lists. After seeing the BA's book, I just can't WAIT to see what's gonna be in store for the GK's...

I'd really like to see more Xenos get the limelight over the next year, Necrons this Spring, Tau end of next Summer, and some big rumors for my Astartes in spikey armors for 2012. After seeing how well done and impressive the DE book/models came out however, I wouldn't mind them taking their time and putting in the energy and effort with Necrons.

ALSO...here's to hoping for a new Tomb Kings, Bretonnia, or Dwarves book somewhere within the next year. All three armies are most deserving.

bd1085 wrote:With that recent Stormraven pic released, its GOT to be GK's next. Never been a huge fan of the IP of GK/SoB/Inquisition AND despised the players who used/are using these books to make some uber cheesy lists. After seeing the BA's book, I just can't WAIT to see what's gonna be in store for the GK's...

Thats kind of funny. Nobody I assure you is making cheesy lists with WH in there. Vulcan and Sisters is not cheesy, its gimping yourself in some ways. I'm glad you despise me and others for playing WH. Nice way to lump people together.

andrewm9 wrote:

bd1085 wrote:With that recent Stormraven pic released, its GOT to be GK's next. Never been a huge fan of the IP of GK/SoB/Inquisition AND despised the players who used/are using these books to make some uber cheesy lists. After seeing the BA's book, I just can't WAIT to see what's gonna be in store for the GK's...

I'm glad you despise me and others for playing WH. Nice way to lump people together.

I assure you he was referring to IG/Mystics

~edit~

And IIRC, Mystics are in the WH book as well.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:I really hope the redo the "sisters" into a multi-gender "Forces of the Inquisition" codex (basically, inquisitorial forces that aren't space marines, male or female)... to assume that the IoM is such a patriarchal chauvinistic society that they would never consider a female "primarch" or "space marine" and that every lord-govener/high inquisitor I have EVER HEARD OF (including the High Lords of Terra) have been male but they would have an entire BRANCH of the military with the top-of-the-line armor/weaponry that is ONLY women is quite the stretch...

The Primarchs are male because they were created from the male Emperor's DNA, and the Space Marines are male because they were created from the male Primarchs' DNA.

As for everything else you said, it's impossible to take your claim to be fighting sexism seriously when you want to further skew GW away from equal representation by destroying the only predominantly female army in the game.

andrewm9 wrote:Are we still expecting to see the following schedule then for next year?

Grey Knights
Necrons (maybe Tau)
Sisters
Tau (or maybe Necrons)

Yes. We've heard nothing about any of the other 4th edition codices, so it's reasonable to assume that the 4 3rd edition codices are all getting done before moving on to the others.

Despite what Jes said i think we still have plenty of time to see Sisters next year as it implies they have more than started work on the Sisters if they are looking at some detail problems.

I agree. If they're using computer-aided design I'd at least expect the appearance of the armour to be done, even if the cloth and hair are holding up other aspects of the design work.

AlexHolker wrote:
it's impossible to take your claim to be fighting sexism seriously when you want to further skew GW away from equal representation by destroying the only predominantly female army in the game.

Predominantly Female = Sexism.

Just like how the Black panthers are racist (even tho they are black)

But to save this thread from derailing, I will happily address any further comlpaints via PM!

andrewm9 wrote:

bd1085 wrote:With that recent Stormraven pic released, its GOT to be GK's next. Never been a huge fan of the IP of GK/SoB/Inquisition AND despised the players who used/are using these books to make some uber cheesy lists. After seeing the BA's book, I just can't WAIT to see what's gonna be in store for the GK's...

Thats kind of funny. Nobody I assure you is making cheesy lists with WH in there. Vulcan and Sisters is not cheesy, its gimping yourself in some ways. I'm glad you despise me and others for playing WH. Nice way to lump people together.

you can use Vulkan and sisters together. thats why no one has lists with them together.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:
I assure you he was referring to IG/Mystics

~edit~

And IIRC, Mystics are in the WH book as well.

They are not in WH at all. That is specifically DH. I wish WH had some of same options as DH like psycannons. Its possible like an earlier poster said that this thread has run its course. Perhaps its tiem to move on.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:

andrewm9 wrote:

bd1085 wrote:With that recent Stormraven pic released, its GOT to be GK's next. Never been a huge fan of the IP of GK/SoB/Inquisition AND despised the players who used/are using these books to make some uber cheesy lists. After seeing the BA's book, I just can't WAIT to see what's gonna be in store for the GK's...

I'm glad you despise me and others for playing WH. Nice way to lump people together.

I assure you he was referring to IG/Mystics

~edit~

And IIRC, Mystics are in the WH book as well.

Mystics are only in the DH codex.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:I really hope the redo the "sisters" into a multi-gender "Forces of the Inquisition" codex (basically, inquisitorial forces that aren't space marines, male or female)

Why would they have to get rid of the Sisters to do that?

Oh wait. That's right. You don't.

I'm perfectly fine with the Inquisition getting their own codex, but to the warp with all the ideas that say Sisters should be combined with them in some way. Thankfully GW feels the same way, because they are not making an Inquisition combined codex, even insulting the idea by calling it "fanwank".

So, to bring it back on topic: Reading over at the BoLS Lounge rumors thread... a while back, it was posted that work on Sisters was started six months after Grey Knights. So they're likely to come shortly after, even if they don't come immediately after.

AlexHolker wrote:Yes. We've heard nothing about any of the other 4th edition codices, so it's reasonable to assume that the 4 3rd edition codices are all getting done before moving on to the others.

Tau isn't a third edition codex.

I may have missed it, but does anyone know if there are going to be new IST models with the expected DH release?

To be honest, they should just do Plastic Karskin style Stormtroopers with the release. That way Codexes Imperial Guard, Sisters of Battle and Grey Knights benefit.

terribletrygon wrote:To be honest, they should just do Plastic Karskin style Stormtroopers with the release. That way Codexes Imperial Guard, Sisters of Battle and Grey Knights benefit.

They really need to do plastic models for everything with maybe the exception of special characters. Does anyone like working with, or painting, pewter??? I was disappointed when I saw the new Mandrakes and Incubi were metal. I wouldnt at all be surprised to see the haemonculi and wracks end up being pee-you-ter as well. that has always been the foundation for all table top games....but evolution happens for a reason...plastic is better GW!

Guess GW becomes the victim of its own plastic hype. Only high sales justify the costs for plastic moulds, so no characters, elites and other rare stuff. And to answer your question: Many gamers and painters love the exquisite quality of metal sculpts not achievable in plastic due to principal limits (e.g. undercuts and the softness of the material -> softer edges). The main GW argument (plastics are cheaper!) was lost in GW's price policy.

I don't get why Mandrakes and Incubi should be plastic. Most people will barely have more then one small squad in their army and they are all going to have the same equipment. There is no point.

I actually think GW's newest line of plastic miniatures are better than most of my GW metal miniatures.

Mind you, my Sisters models were sculpted back in second edition.

Samus_aran115 wrote:I still think it's more of a conditional 3+ save though....I dunno. I seriously doubt it would provide as significant protection as space marine power armor. Too bad there's no such thing as a 3.5+ save

Why should it be a lower armor save? The model is pretty much totally encased in metal,except for the heads on models with exposed heads. The only reason SM armor looks more protective is because it's on a 9 foot tall,350-400 pound person instead of a 5'8",130-150 pound person. With Carapace armor,there are many uncovered/unprotected areas.

From a fluff standpoint,Dark Heresey/Deathwatch is more accurate,and puts the armor ratings as follows...

Astartes Terminator Armor=AP14 in all locations,plus Force Field with a PR of 35[35% chance to completely nullify incoming attack]
Astartes Artificer Armor=AP 12 in all locations
Astartes Power Armor[SM power armor]=AP 10 in the main body,AP 8 in the arms,legs,and head
Power Armor[for SoB's,Inquisitors,etc]=AP 8 in all locations
Storm Trooper Carapace Armor=AP 6 in all locations
Astartes Scout Armor=AP 6 in the body and arms
Imperial Guard Flak Armor=AP 4 in all locations

SoB power armor is much closer to SM power armor than it is to SM Scout armor,if that's the comparison you want to use,so it should stay at 3+.

terribletrygon wrote:I don't get why Mandrakes and Incubi should be plastic. Most people will barely have more then one small squad in their army and they are all going to have the same equipment. There is no point.

Not that they should be plastic...I would just prefer to work with plastic. I also think plastic enables you to bash kits together, so there could potentially be a 'bash market' for those figures as well if they were plastic. It is no interest to me if it is cost efficient or effective for GW to make them pewter, im a consumer, so im looking at it through my perspective.

Melissia wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:Yes. We've heard nothing about any of the other 4th edition codices, so it's reasonable to assume that the 4 3rd edition codices are all getting done before moving on to the others.

Tau isn't a third edition codex.

I know, I was talking about Dark Eldar, Grey Knights, Necrons and SoB.