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Anyone know when the new Dark Eldar are being released?

EDIT - Ok, that doesn't look funny without Kroothawk's post immediately above it.

Kroothawk wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:It's the precedent thing, every once in a while these threads go really well... But it seems as soon as one comes up 5 more show up like weeds soon after. Bah I know its bitchy but whatever, it just pisses me off when the relevant answers are 2 threads under it lol

Posting a question requires less skill and time than searching for an answer yourself

Lol yup. It just always seems silly to me when someone goes 'any news on Necrons??' as if the people on this board wouldnt be having a nerd frenzy over it on the first page top post, myself included lol. It seems pretty obvious that if there was news in the hands of a member, and they were willing to post it, it would be posted. Kinda like calling your wife while you guys are trying to have a baby and asking if there is any news on being pregnant or not. Believe me, you'd be the first to know lol!

I don't have a problem with question threads. And, in fact, having a collated rumour thread to avoid constant new ones popping up would be a good thing.

It's the threads that are asking questions that don't put question marks in their titles that drive people batty.

Militarized wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:SoB are just starting to be worked on, so try GK, Tau, Necrons, SoB.

Tau, on the whole, don't need too much besides some tweaking and some resin/metal kits scanned over to plastic.

I would really disagree with this, half our Codex is useless on most account, we only really have 1 viable actual army list (mech) and then there's the gimmick of "ninja tau". Tau need to be brought up to snuff just as badly (though maybe not quite as badly as Necrons). GK? Are you kidding me? Yet ANOTHER Space Marine codex... you'd think they could at least release the main armies updates first instead of some side army that is yet again in power armor.

Tau have 1 viable army list? Congrats. You have one more viable army list than DH/GK players,at least in a competitive environment. Tau also still hold up well in a casual environment. DH/GK and 'crons struggle even in casual play. Every DH/GK and 'cron player I know has their army in mothballs and are playing with other armies while waiting on a new book. WH/SoB have one competitive list as well(mech Sisters),and have been waiting longer than Tau. Plus,DH/GK and WH/SoB don't even have plastic troops,yet. It's a well known fact that every army out there that hasn't been redone for 5th is groaning for a new codex because of power creep except Eldar,so only having one viable build isn't a reason for one army to be redone over any other.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I don't have a problem with question threads. And, in fact, having a collated rumour thread to avoid constant new ones popping up would be a good thing.

It's the threads that are asking questions that don't put question marks in their titles that drive people batty.

+1 to the collated rumour thread, I really miss Brimstone over on Warseer, that guy was amazing for that... In fact, I would nominate Kroothawk to take charge of one here if he was willing. He is a prolific poster of news, seems pretty unbiased and is generally an all round awesome board member IMHO.

Seconded!

What say you Kroothawk??? Whilst thou become Master of Rumours and the Keeper of Awesomess of Clan Dakka?

It would really impress the ladies dude!

Lol seriously though, it would be great if someone took charge of this, not my place of course to do anything, but if Alphy agrees I'm sure it could actually be possible!

MajorTom11 wrote:What say you Kroothawk??? Whilst thou become Master of Rumours and the Keeper of Awesomess of Clan Dakka?

It would really impress the ladies dude!

Lol seriously though, it would be great if someone took charge of this, not my place of course to do anything, but if Alphy agrees I'm sure it could actually be possible!

dont do it its a trap!!! Ladies will laugh at you.

MajorTom11 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I don't have a problem with question threads. And, in fact, having a collated rumour thread to avoid constant new ones popping up would be a good thing.

It's the threads that are asking questions that don't put question marks in their titles that drive people batty.

+1 to the collated rumour thread, I really miss Brimstone over on Warseer, that guy was amazing for that... In fact, I would nominate Kroothawk to take charge of one here if he was willing. He is a prolific poster of news, seems pretty unbiased and is generally an all round awesome board member IMHO.

I don't want to be a Negative Nick here, but...

Brimstone was generally "in the loop" with the Studio Staff and seemed to have alot of info from sources who PMed it to him privately. It's why his rumor threads always had a bit more...weight and a feeling of trustworthiness for the information contained within to them(I think, personally, that's the best way to describe it at least). He wasn't just copy/pasting rumors from anywhere and everywhere.

I say this because as much as I like Kroothawk, most of what he does is simply copy/pasting from other sources(no matter who posts it) and he has no real way to separate the wheat from the chaff that the rest of us don't have access to. His threads just don't "feel" that trustworthy(no offense to you Kroot!), they're not built up from a foundation of accurate rumors like Brimstone's.

Ya well Brimstone was Brimstone, he can't be replaced. But Kroothawk keeps on top of things and posts stuff most people wouldn't see otherwise, that in and of itself is a positive contribution. I know what you mean that he doesn't have an inside track like Brim did, but it doesn't mean he isn't one of the most active members in this particular section and wouldn't be a fine person to put together a stickied 'big news' type thread of stuff we do know.

Don't forget, some of us may look at places like tabletop gaming news and Warseer etc, but most don't, as this whole conversation was started by the plethora of 'any news on codex x?' threads that pop up in here weekly. For people who obviously don't look at this stuff as often as we do, a collated sticky would obviously be beneficial.

Kanluwen wrote:Brimstone was generally "in the loop" with the Studio Staff and seemed to have alot of info from sources who PMed it to him privately. It's why his rumor threads always had a bit more...weight and a feeling of trustworthiness for the information contained within to them(I think, personally, that's the best way to describe it at least). He wasn't just copy/pasting rumors from anywhere and everywhere.

I say this because as much as I like Kroothawk, most of what he does is simply copy/pasting from other sources(no matter who posts it) and he has no real way to separate the wheat from the chaff that the rest of us don't have access to. His threads just don't "feel" that trustworthy(no offense to you Kroot!), they're not built up from a foundation of accurate rumors like Brimstone's.

None of this makes having a collated rumour thread a bad idea.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Brimstone was generally "in the loop" with the Studio Staff and seemed to have alot of info from sources who PMed it to him privately. It's why his rumor threads always had a bit more...weight and a feeling of trustworthiness for the information contained within to them(I think, personally, that's the best way to describe it at least). He wasn't just copy/pasting rumors from anywhere and everywhere.

I say this because as much as I like Kroothawk, most of what he does is simply copy/pasting from other sources(no matter who posts it) and he has no real way to separate the wheat from the chaff that the rest of us don't have access to. His threads just don't "feel" that trustworthy(no offense to you Kroot!), they're not built up from a foundation of accurate rumors like Brimstone's.

None of this makes having a collated rumour thread a bad idea.

True enough. But if it were done, it'd be nice to have it be done in such a way that it's not "just" copy/pasting whatever's posted out there(although unless we have some of studio insider here on Dakka that part is inevitable), no matter the absurdity or the potential unreliablity of the source .

That was the point I was trying to make, that there needs to be some form of fact-checking and control put in place--and it's as I said nothing personal against Kroothawk or whoever ends up doing it.

MajorTom11 wrote:
Don't forget, some of us may look at places like tabletop gaming news and Warseer etc, but most don't, as this whole conversation was started by the plethora of 'any news on codex x?' threads that pop up in here weekly. For people who obviously don't look at this stuff as often as we do, a collated sticky would obviously be beneficial.

Places like TGN and Warseer have the same problem. It doesn't matter if there's a collated sticky or not, people are lazy and they'll post a question thread in lieu of reading through a stickied thread.

The only way to fix that problem is, frankly, to crack down harder on offenders.

So far the releases have gone:

Marines - Ultra
Non-Marines - Guard
Marines - Wolves
Non-Marines - Tyranids
Marines - Blood/Cheese
Non-Marines - Dark Eldar

I'd expect them to carry on the Marines/Non-Marines pattern for a while at least, so Necrons after GK would be about right. The question in my mind is what SOB will be classed as, Marines or Non-Marines?

Are they marines?

I didn't mean to mess things up by posting a question thread. I put it in here thinking that most of the answers woudl be based in either News or Rumours. I did look around the first few pages first to see f anyone had posted anythgin abotu new codexes recentl but couldn see anything, hence the new thread.

If it is getting out of hand then by all mean delete the thread.

My Tau have been mothballed, but not because of the rules. To be honest, I haven't even played them with their last codex. I'm just uninspired by the models.

As far as I'm concerned, GW could deign not to release a 5th Ed. Tau codex at all and I'd be a happy camper as long as decent-looking Crisis Suits and a couple of other interesting kits came out. The models were fine for when they came out in 3rd edition but compared to the stellar design work on the Dark Eldar and the very good design work of the recent 'nids, they just loose something.

Though if GW's trend of slipping brand new big stuff with no existing models into the Codex continues, I would love to see what they have in mind for the Tau.

Kanluwen wrote:True enough. But if it were done, it'd be nice to have it be done in such a way that it's not "just" copy/pasting whatever's posted out there(although unless we have some of studio insider here on Dakka that part is inevitable), no matter the absurdity or the potential unreliablity of the source .

That was the point I was trying to make, that there needs to be some form of fact-checking and control put in place--and it's as I said nothing personal against Kroothawk or whoever ends up doing it.

I don't think Kroothawk would copypasta anything he found.

MajorTom11 wrote:+1 to the collated rumour thread, I really miss Brimstone over on Warseer, that guy was amazing for that... In fact, I would nominate Kroothawk to take charge of one here if he was willing.

Well, generally I would be willing to do that, even if I don't exactly know what you expect. One post or one thread to summarize all GW rumours will be a bit unpractical. Should it only be on the Codex release schedule (which is always very speculative nowadays) or a complete rumour roundup? If it were a closed sticky, there would be technical things to solve. What should be the scope and length. I made the DE rumour summary but stopped when people demanded and got complete statlines, because the line between a justified curiosity and unfairness against GW was passed. Maybe, if mods support the idea, we should discuss this via PM.

Kanluwen wrote:I don't want to be a Negative Nick here, but...
Brimstone was generally "in the loop" with the Studio Staff and seemed to have alot of info from sources who PMed it to him privately. It's why his rumor threads always had a bit more...weight and a feeling of trustworthiness for the information contained within to them(I think, personally, that's the best way to describe it at least). He wasn't just copy/pasting rumors from anywhere and everywhere.

Still angry that I predicted your "sources" to be wrong about the Dark Eldar battleforce this year?

1.) Yes, I have no direct links to the studio, but then again I am not bound by a contract to keep shut like almost all people "in the loop". I read rumours and report them if I think they are worth it. Rumours are rarely 100% accurate, some sources are more trustworthy than others. Some are necessarily more speculative because of the long time scale involved, but they usually get more accurate given time. And a rumour summary is not a fact summary after all, you must always accept the inherent uncertainty. But the uncertainty can be handled if you state the source, evaluate and state the grade of uncertainty and update the summary when rumours get more accurate. And in contrast to BoLS I state my sources

2.) Brimstone rarely posted rumours, and his rumour roundup consisted of copy/pasted pics with no text. And on behalf of his beloved Tyranids, he erred so much that he banned me for posting a mostly correct rumour summary, because he just couldn't believe Phil Kelly's confirmation that there will be "many new species, some dwarfing the Carnifex" and closed all Tyranid rumour threads for being too speculative and not Warseer-worthy. Well, now we have Mawlocs, Tervigons, Tyrannofexes and Hydras. And even after his death, Warseer is still overmoderated with e.g. the flyer rumour thread not tolerated in the rumour forum and the atmosphere generally unfriendly to rumour posters. So I wouldn't recommend Warseer as the shining example, even when they still have more active rumour sources than Dakka.

But I leave it to the mods if they want some rumour roundup in any form, done by anyone or not.

Kroothawk wrote:Still angry that I predicted your "sources" to be wrong about the Dark Eldar battleforce this year?

What sources? I've told you time and time again that was my prediction, based simply upon the fact that it makes sense that we'll see one around Christmas time. Dark Eldar are, for lack of a better term, this year's hot ticket item for GW. There's a noticeable lack of releases post-November 20th from what I'm seeing. Make of that what you will.

Although, I guess depending on what the second wave of plastics will be made up of it's possible we'll see a Battleforce there, maybe even more than one(Wych Cult, Kabalite, Haemonculi all seem like something that could theoretically get individualized battleforces if GW wants to go all in on this. Is it likely? No. But it's possible).

Praxiss wrote:I have a half decent 'Cron army but don't want to add to it until nice new plastics come out (i need Immortals).

I started mine...Lord and a squad of warriors...but decided to put it on hold pending the plastics that are bound to accompany the new codex. Id be pissed of I dropped $75 on a squad of metal Immortals juist to have them release a $45 box set of plastics.

Needless to say, Im hoping they are next after GK, and sooner the better.

Until then Im working on some Orks and a SM army for my son.

Kroothawk said yes!




*looks around, hopes mods will show up and take him up on it!*


Kan, copying and pasting rumors is still posting rumors. I don't know of any GW insider certifications programs. Unless you have someone 'in the know' to nominate instead of my man Kroot, it doesn't really add anything to debate his qualifications. Be part of the solution brotha! I think he does a really good job with what's available to him, he puts in the work to find it and share it with us, he is knowledgeable enough about the games, previous release practices and current ranges to make logical (but not infallible) calls on stuff that is seemingly obvious bunk. I can honestly say a big part of my interest in this particular forum page is due to his frequent postings of new release articles from companies I would never have heard of otherwise. To me, he adds a lot. If he is willing to put in the work to add a bit more and make this page even more interesting and hopefully, clear, then I for one am all for it. He's not Jes Goodwyn in disguise, but he is still pretty awesome to Dakka.

I dunno, if he keeps up with my prediction of a Dark Eldar battleforce released this year implying I have "sources" I might have to say no!

What I'm really saying, I guess, is we don't need one person to do this. A collated rumors thread doesn't need one poster, not when it's just going to be copying rumors from elsewhere.

We just need a set of guidelines for posting rumors in there.

MajorTom11 wrote:Kinda like calling your wife while you guys are trying to have a baby and asking if there is any news on being pregnant or not. Believe me, you'd be the first to know lol!

Or the deliveryman would.... just saying.

+1 for the Hawk.

@Kanluwen, I see your point, but I still like the idea of Kroot being our rumor wrangler. With time, perhaps those people in the loop will reach out to Kroot the way they did with Brimstone (RIP).

I also understand that questions will still be posted in News/ Rumors and many of those will be missing question marks. Nothing we can do but point and laugh at those posters.

I just don't get the point of having one designated "rumor wrangler".

I think the thought process is that you can have one person doing it to avoid spamming the board with the same stuff. Nothing wrong with a town crier to let us know what's happening on the bazillion other boards we don't visit.

Kanluwen wrote:I just don't get the point of having one designated "rumor wrangler".

I'm not sure we only need one, but I think Kroot has a pretty good reputation for credibility. More importantly, he makes it clear what's speculation, what's tenuous, etc. Something that by your own admission you seem to struggle with conveying. It's very easy to read your posts as statements of fact when they're opinion, speculation as rumor, etc.

Polonius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I just don't get the point of having one designated "rumor wrangler".

I'm not sure we only need one, but I think Kroot has a pretty good reputation for credibility. More importantly, he makes it clear what's speculation, what's tenuous, etc. Something that by your own admission you seem to struggle with conveying. It's very easy to read your posts as statements of fact when they're opinion, speculation as rumor, etc.

Fair enough, but I am totally not saying I should be doing it. I can't stand reading other boards for the most part.

I would put my chips on the Necrons codex....they need one!

I don't mean that Kroot be the only one allowed to bring rumors to the board. Afterall, anyone can post a rumor. It sure would be nice to have a round of some sort so I don't have to wade through page after page of wishlisting, bullshitting, whining, thats cool, that's not cool, that's fluffy, that's not fluffy, etc. comments.

As an example, I actively followed the DE rumors and am very interested in anything I can get on GK. What I'd like to see is a consolidated and up to date list of rumors, which Kroot has demonstrated he can do. Then I don't have to search through 20+ pages to find the latest post with actual rumors.

If Kanluwen posts the latest FW book/ model rumors, the discussion could take place in the thread while the rumor content is added to the 40K rumor post. Hope that makes sense.