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Well yeah, but DE has already been released so it's not like it's fair to say it's on the schedule anymore.


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Whatever1 wrote:From a fluff standpoint,Dark Heresey/Deathwatch is more accurate,and puts the armor ratings as follows...

Actually there are no stats for Sororitas power armor yet in Dark Heresy. Certainly it should be higher-grade than civilian-class power armor.

I'm fine with either plastic or metal figures.

Where plastic really scores is in reducing the weight of larger models, and making their assembly easier.

That said, I don't think the Venomthrope would work in plastic because the tentacles are too thin. It could be done as a mixed media kit, with plastic body and metal tentacles.

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terribletrygon wrote:I don't get why Mandrakes and Incubi should be plastic. Most people will barely have more then one small squad in their army and they are all going to have the same equipment. There is no point.

Not that they should be plastic...I would just prefer to work with plastic. I also think plastic enables you to bash kits together, so there could potentially be a 'bash market' for those figures as well if they were plastic. It is no interest to me if it is cost efficient or effective for GW to make them pewter, im a consumer, so im looking at it through my perspective.

Except those metals have wide stances and no cloaks or anything. So kit bashing them shouldn't be a problem at all. Head and arm swaps would be child's play, and with the thin Dark Eldar body shape, cleaving them in two and torso swapping would be within the ability of the basic modeller. Heck, the Incubi were designed with kit bashing in mind, hence why they have their heads separately in addition to their arms. They are already kit bashable without any cutting work required.

Of course too many 40k modellers have an irrational fear of metal, as if touching the stuff will instantly give them hand cancer or something. If you know what you are doing, working with metal models can be as easy as working with plastic.

However, I do agree that when it comes to basic troops, models with lots of options and large models, plastic will always be the best route.

Am hoping for a BT updated codex in the near future. Having read the BA codex and given the similarity for up front CC troops and the like the Templars seem to be lagging behind somewhat. That said I do appreciate that there are other non-marine codices that need more attention.

Flashman wrote:Grey Knights

GW Design Team - "Now that we've just done one of our best Xenos releases of all time, what new and exciting projects shall we line up next?"
GW Management - "Wait a sec, it's been nearly 12 months since we've done a Space Marine release. Gah! We're in danger of losing our core 12 year old market. Get some new models out quick. Which ones? Er... have we done the blue guys recently? Yes? What about the red fellas? Only last year? Bother! Oh do the silver chaps then and make sure they look really cool so we can justify charging £35 for a box of five."

Grey Knights? Not my taste.

I agree here that we need another series of new SM models, tanks, whatever. But for that, we need another incarnation of the Codex,
or DA, BT should be reconsidered soon.

darthmatty wrote:Am hoping for a BT updated codex in the near future.

They'll be the next Marine release (I don't really count GK's as 'Marines' in the traditional sense). I'd expect GK's, Necrons, Black Templars/Tau and then Tau/Black Templars.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

darthmatty wrote:Am hoping for a BT updated codex in the near future.

They'll be the next Marine release (I don't really count GK's as 'Marines' in the traditional sense). I'd expect GK's, Necrons, Black Templars/Tau and then Tau/Black Templars.

Completely without basis.

There's been zero suggestions of a BT codex any time soon.

It's depressing to realize that after waiting for years for DE to get a new codex I'm already looking towards the horizon for Necrons and Tau. Interesting that my first three armies may be released so close together though!

Melissia wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

darthmatty wrote:Am hoping for a BT updated codex in the near future.

They'll be the next Marine release (I don't really count GK's as 'Marines' in the traditional sense). I'd expect GK's, Necrons, Black Templars/Tau and then Tau/Black Templars.

Completely without basis.

There's been zero suggestions of a BT codex any time soon.

Yeah I think that we are more likely to get Sisters mid to late next year or early 2012 depednign on the overall release schedule and how long it takes for the final scuplts. Ironically Sisters are having a problem with their clothes (sleeves) and hair according to Jes. Lol. I can't take credit for that little joke as someone on B&C put that one together.

Heard its: GK, SOB, Necron, Tau.

it'll be a space marine codex next i think ,cas in 5th edition at the moment i think there is a pattern because we had spacemarines,imperial guard,space wolves (ftw ), tyranids, blood angels, then DE. But its only a guess

Wolflord Grimnar wrote:it'll be a space marine codex next i think ,cas in 5th edition at the moment i think there is a pattern because we had spacemarines,imperial guard,space wolves (ftw ), tyranids, blood angels, then DE. But its only a guess

Then you'd be right as GK are Space Marines.

Bryce-2-Good87 wrote:Heard its: GK, SOB, Necron, Tau.

that seems to be the most reasonable lineup I've seen so far, though 'reasonable' rarely makes an appearance where GW holds sway.

Brother Heinrich wrote:

Bryce-2-Good87 wrote:Heard its: GK, SOB, Necron, Tau.

that seems to be the most reasonable lineup I've seen so far, though 'reasonable' rarely makes an appearance where GW holds sway.

Its probably GK 1st, Necrons next, SoB after them then Tau. It keeps with the Imperial - Xeno - Imperial lineup we've coem to expect. That and Sisters are still needing more work on their minis support that possible lineup. Of course I'm not really in the know. Thats what seems mots likely to me based on what I have read from others who are.

Most signs do NOT point towards SoB after GK...

Yep, considering it's been stated over and over that "Grey Knights are finished as of the release of Dark Eldar; Sisters of Battle have just really begun the model design process and Codex writing".

Really not sure where people are getting the idea that Sisters are anywhere near close to the release of GKs.

Alpharius wrote:Most signs do NOT point towards SoB after GK...

Only if you define "most signs" by "Alpharius' opinion".

Almost every single rumor that comes from a reputable source (instead of some no-name low-level employee) agrees Sisters are coming after Grey Knights, with a xenos codex (probably Necrons, but possibly Tau) between.


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Kanluwen wrote:Yep, considering it's been stated over and over that "Grey Knights are finished as of the release of Dark Eldar; Sisters of Battle have just really begun the model design process and Codex writing".

Really not sure where people are getting the idea that Sisters are anywhere near close to the release of GKs.

Sisters were started six months after Grey Knights, not just now.

The initial Codex design process was started "six months after Grey Knights". Despite common thinking, they don't just say "Oh hey, let's do <Army Name Here> today!". Alot of preliminary work goes into it, lots of concept sketches and then looking for how they want the army to actually go.

So no, they were really "started" just now by all reports I've seen. The only real big piece of information we've seen is that Sisters are getting a plastic troop kit done by Goodwin, and him overseeing the production of the line much like Dark Eldar.

No, "right now" they're in the process of finishing up the model design, working out all of the various problems the molds have, etc.

Dark Eldar were in this phase in the summer of this year, as I very clearly remember hearing reports of them having problems with the models in the summer, with people being afraid that meant DE would be pushed back.

Haha, what?

So you're telling me that a line that, was by all reports, completely finished and just waiting for an open release timeframe and a chance to test the waters...

Was still having "the model design process finished"?
Yeah. No.

Kanluwen wrote:Haha, what?

So you're telling me that a line that, was by all reports, completely finished and just waiting for an open release timeframe and a chance to test the waters...

Was still having "the model design process finished"?
Yeah. No.

I very clearly remember hearing reports of them having problems with the models round the summer, with people being afraid that meant DE would be pushed back.

I don't remember any reports of problems with the models in the summer. Links?

@Melissia: We all know that your are keen on seeing SoB updated with a new codex, but dismising what other people say as being wrong without proper justification is a bit glib.
However, I can give you some good news (and justification). While I was on holiday I heard from a GW store manager that the next codex will be GK and that (with the way things are going-his words not mine-) the SoB update would be a few months after. Unfortunately he couldn't divulge a release date; confirm whether SoB will be released before or after another codex; or give much info on either. All it was, was confirmation that it is going to happen soon.

I started to search through the various sites, then I realized that I'm attempting to look through six months of rumors and discussion on the (at the time) possible Dark Eldar codex, many posts of which that actually contained rumors are edited to remove older stuff (for example, the BoLS thread on the subject edited out stuff that was later proven false).

So meh, I don't have a direct source at the moment. I just very clearly remember there being lots of moments when people assumed that the DE codex would be pushed back again.

Melissia wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Most signs do NOT point towards SoB after GK...

Only if you define "most signs" by "Alpharius' opinion".

Almost every single rumor that comes from a reputable source (instead of some no-name low-level employee) agrees Sisters are coming after Grey Knights, with a xenos codex (probably Necrons, but possibly Tau) between.

Am I mis-reading your post, Melissia? You disagreed with Alpharius suggesting SoB are not after GK, then you said after GK comes Necrons or Tau.
Which would preclude SoB from being after GK--unless you are meaning SoB will be any time after GK are released, regardless of codex releases between them, but that is confusing too.

I probably just misread what Alpharius said, then. It happens.

Melissia wrote:I probably just misread what Alpharius said, then. It happens.

Cool beans, I was trying to figure that out. It seems you were both refering to the same sources--which is what I was trying to figure out.

kirsanth wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Most signs do NOT point towards SoB after GK...

Only if you define "most signs" by "Alpharius' opinion".

Almost every single rumor that comes from a reputable source (instead of some no-name low-level employee) agrees Sisters are coming after Grey Knights, with a xenos codex (probably Necrons, but possibly Tau) between.

Am I mis-reading your post, Melissia? You disagreed with Alpharius suggesting SoB are not after GK, then you said after GK comes Necrons or Tau.
Which would preclude SoB from being after GK--unless you are meaning SoB will be any time after GK are released, regardless of codex releases between them, but that is confusing too.

Melissia wrote:I probably just misread what Alpharius said, then. It happens.

Yup!

Melissia wrote:Completely without basis.

Odd comment coming from you.

Melissia wrote:There's been zero suggestions of a BT codex any time soon.

It's the oldest Marine Codex (early 4th Ed Codex) and as GW likes to do Marine releases 1 out of every 2 (or sometimes 3) releases, BT's are the next logical choice for an end of 2011/early 2012 release, with Tau either directly before them or after them. Sorry I didn't mention your precious Sisters Mel, but I figure that army has a lower profile than "Moar Marinez!!!".

H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's the oldest Marine Codex (early 4th Ed Codex) and as GW likes to do Marine releases 1 out of every 2 (or sometimes 3) releases, BT's are the next logical choice for an end of 2011/early 2012 release, with
Tau either directly before them or after them. Sorry I didn't mention your precious Sisters Mel, but I figure that army has a lower profile than "Moar Marinez!!!".

Was that strictly necessary except to antogonize? What Mel said is true more or less. We've heard no rumors of Black Templars that were not proven false to my knowledge and we have heard rumors of Sisters being started about 6 months after GK. GK marines should be enough marines for anybody for awhile I think. Oh and GK are older being from 2003 I think. They could really use the update more I think.