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Tucson, AZ, USA

Not Mormon my self, but if any ever get interested in learning how to stock food and water and basic prep stuff, check out some of their resources, its a vault of information.

I imagine I'm gonna die in the first few hours of the outbreak anyway since I'll be working in a hospital...

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Burtucky, Michigan

FITZZ wrote: I have to admit I'm a bit amused at the "toilet paper" worries, though I suppose if one plans to take shelter in the woods some sort of "sanitary product" is a concern.
Though I would hypothosize that their would still be plenty of " paper products" for your wiping needs to be stockpiled.
Even in emergency situations ( Katrina for example) food,water and batteries/flashlights were the main "grab" items before the storm hit, and though paper products were depleted, there was still a lot left.
Not to mention alternitives...your average fast food place contains pallets of napkins ( and there are plenty of those in isolated ares), and of course...since " normal rules" don't apply, you could wipe with a silk tie or a mink coat.

Now, fresh water I can see as a real concern, my family goes through about a case a day, so even a large stockpile won't last long..
Purification pills, bleach and boiling collected water would be manditory, as would the means to collect rain water/dew.
Properties with wells/near streams, would also be good, so long as they were defendable.

@ KC, that's were giving up "creature comforts" comes in, when the gak hit's the fan...screw the house,the big screen TV and the collection of Warbarbies.





Oh I agree. When Zday comes I honestly wont give a hoot about my house, itll be a temporary bunker until I can move to my zombie fortress. I was mainly putting in perspective of how silly it was worrying about loosing some plastic minis


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Sckitzo wrote:Not Mormon my self, but if any ever get interested in learning how to stock food and water and basic prep stuff, check out some of their resources, its a vault of information.

I imagine I'm gonna die in the first few hours of the outbreak anyway since I'll be working in a hospital...




Ohhhhhhhhh you are screeeeeeeeeewed

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Georgia,just outside Atlanta

Sckitzo wrote:
I imagine I'm gonna die in the first few hours of the outbreak anyway since I'll be working in a hospital...


My younger Brother, Little Sister, two Cousins and an Aunt all currently work in various E.Rs, They're my "Early warning system".


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Tucson, AZ, USA

FITZZ wrote:
Sckitzo wrote:
I imagine I'm gonna die in the first few hours of the outbreak anyway since I'll be working in a hospital...


My younger Brother, Little Sister, two Cousins and an Aunt all currently work in various E.Rs, They're my "Early warning system".


Wow...

Well going for ER myself, or life flight, but don't worry dakka, you will be one of my first messages out that "they" are coming

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I'm with the OP. A lack of dentists would be a huge problem. It's all fun and games until you have to perform a tooth extraction with nothing more than an ice skate and a rock.

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Burtucky, Michigan

Hey you dont have to use a skate and a rock....... a hammer and a butter knife works too
   
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Georgia,just outside Atlanta

KingCracker wrote:Hey you dont have to use a skate and a rock....... a hammer and a butter knife works too


Set of channel locks and a lot of whiskey.


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Burtucky, Michigan

Need a semi strong friend, but at least with the whiskey you wont give a gak about it hurting or not
   
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Georgia,just outside Atlanta

KingCracker wrote:Need a semi strong friend, but at least with the whiskey you wont give a gak about it hurting or not


Exactly, biggest worry would be post extraction infection, but so long as the individule isn't allergic to antibiotics it shouldn't pose a problem.

Now though, that does lead to yet another issue, aquiring either your own, or some one with, the knowledge to replicate various needed medicines.


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Swindon, Wiltshire, UK

I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.
   
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On a boat, Trying not to die.

corpsesarefun wrote:I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.

*Cough* Loot Houses *Cough*

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oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....

corpsesarefun wrote:I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.


great! now i know who to kidnap

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On a boat, Trying not to die.

lord commissar klimino wrote:
corpsesarefun wrote:I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.


great! now i know who to kidnap

"Chowderhead, gimme chemicals! I wanna make asprin!"

"Look, Corpses. Last time we gave you chemicals, you leveled the city of Detroit. So no."

"But Chowder, I wanna make aaassssppprrriiinnnn!"

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oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....

Chowderhead wrote:
lord commissar klimino wrote:
corpsesarefun wrote:I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.


great! now i know who to kidnap

"Chowderhead, gimme chemicals! I wanna make asprin!"

"Look, Corpses. Last time we gave you chemicals, you leveled the city of Detroit. So no."

"But Chowder, I wanna make aaassssppprrriiinnnn!"



just so you know id somehow do that with my luck.

Deathshead420 wrote:As your leader, I encourage you, from time to time and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so! But allow me to convince you. And I promise you, right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo … except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is – I collect your f g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f r here. Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the f g time! [Pause] I didn't think so.
 
   
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Swindon, Wiltshire, UK

Nah I don't THINK I can make any explosives from the aspirin components...

*goes to check for potential explosives*

Also the diamond pick and 1179 clay is in the chest at mine.
   
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Georgia,just outside Atlanta

corpsesarefun wrote:I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.


Now, if you can cultivate the proper mold spores and make antibiotics we're in good shape.


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Tucson, AZ, USA

FITZZ wrote:
corpsesarefun wrote:I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.


Now, if you can cultivate the proper mold spores and make antibiotics we're in good shape.


Due to the rampant overuse of antibiotics by the Western world, the inferior form of Penicillin you would get from mold spores would likely be very ineffective, but, beats dying from a rusty nail so worth a shot.

Thing with looting houses is, that stuff has a shelf life, and alot of the "good" stuff requires refrigeration or it spoils.

I was reading a interesting way on how to make insulin via pig pancreases, but like most drugs, our bodies may not react very well to these weaker forms.


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Georgia,just outside Atlanta

Sckitzo wrote:
FITZZ wrote:
corpsesarefun wrote:I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.


Now, if you can cultivate the proper mold spores and make antibiotics we're in good shape.


Due to the rampant overuse of antibiotics by the Western world, the inferior form of Penicillin you would get from mold spores would likely be very ineffective, but, beats dying from a rusty nail so worth a shot.

Thing with looting houses is, that stuff has a shelf life, and alot of the "good" stuff requires refrigeration or it spoils.

I was reading a interesting way on how to make insulin via pig pancreases, but like most drugs, our bodies may not react very well to these weaker forms.



True, but at least it's something.
I was musing earlier that the mortality rate due to disease ( non zombie), injury, required surgery and misadventure would be catastophic....
I may be able to hunt and fish, I may be a damn good shot, I may be able to keep the engines running and even sew you up , splint a broken bone or remove a bullet,but I'd hate to have to attempt to perform an apendix operation.


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oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....

Sckitzo wrote:
FITZZ wrote:
corpsesarefun wrote:I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.


Now, if you can cultivate the proper mold spores and make antibiotics we're in good shape.


Due to the rampant overuse of antibiotics by the Western world, the inferior form of Penicillin you would get from mold spores would likely be very ineffective, but, beats dying from a rusty nail so worth a shot.

Thing with looting houses is, that stuff has a shelf life, and alot of the "good" stuff requires refrigeration or it spoils.

I was reading a interesting way on how to make insulin via pig pancreases, but like most drugs, our bodies may not react very well to these weaker forms.



yeah,america does over use that crap. in bad ways to. druggies! already some of those old ones dont work and scientists have to come out with new ones. also now a days evry drug seems to have sevral side affects that if they happen,you might as well of not taken it in the 1st place.

Deathshead420 wrote:As your leader, I encourage you, from time to time and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so! But allow me to convince you. And I promise you, right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo … except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is – I collect your f g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f r here. Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the f g time! [Pause] I didn't think so.
 
   
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Tucson, AZ, USA

I think infection will be the big killer, common cuts, scrapes and basic things that may at most required a couple stitches in the past will lay people up for weeks and most likely kill em. It's scary to think about how dependent we are on modern medicine. Why it doesn't hurt to keep your shots up to date, and tuck away a few extra pills from your meds when you can.

Though keeping the wounds clean will go along ways to helping, but ya...hope that mold works better than I think.

For dentistry they make quick fix kits, and certain plants can be used as a quasi tooth paste, I know soap can be made from lye and fat and stuff.

If you guys want a couple good resources, check these out

Where There Is No Doctor

Where There Is No Dentist

Both are available as free downloads, though Hesperian are good folks, so if your wanting to purchase a dead tree copy that money goes to do good stuff.

What they are is pretty much medical/dental books meant for villages in extreme rural/poor/underdeveloped areas, sound familiar? There are tons of different ones offered, midwifery and stuff like that even.

Which brings up a interesting one, child birth. It's actually fairly *easy* (don't tell that to your woman) but we've bred into our bloodlines narrow hips so much that more and more women are requiring a breech birth, and when something goes wrong, it goes really damn wrong. Infant and Mother mortality rate will sky rocket, but beyond that, just remember to catch and don't drop the football. Or as my EMT instructor said "If you do drop the baby, fake a seizure"

Not much we can do though, childbirth just becomes a super risky thing again, and given that birth control won't last forever... there are different forms and methods you can use, but I won't go into them given how Dakka has a pretty mixed age range (and may violate some rules?)

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Burtucky, Michigan

Lucky for me, Ive never take antibiotics unless Im dying. They work fantastically on me because of that. But yea, I try to tell my kids doctors to not give them the stuff unless its absolutely needed, Im sorry but you dont need those if youve got a common cold, or the flu thats going around, unless they get real bad.


Also, Ill offer my services for lobbing off body parts if infections set in. I can whittle a mean peg leg
   
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Tucson, AZ, USA

KingCracker wrote:Lucky for me, Ive never take antibiotics unless Im dying. They work fantastically on me because of that. But yea, I try to tell my kids doctors to not give them the stuff unless its absolutely needed, Im sorry but you dont need those if youve got a common cold, or the flu thats going around, unless they get real bad.


Also, Ill offer my services for lobbing off body parts if infections set in. I can whittle a mean peg leg


Only if you make me a wood parrot that has a shotgun in it's mouth.

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oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....

Sckitzo wrote:
KingCracker wrote:Lucky for me, Ive never take antibiotics unless Im dying. They work fantastically on me because of that. But yea, I try to tell my kids doctors to not give them the stuff unless its absolutely needed, Im sorry but you dont need those if youve got a common cold, or the flu thats going around, unless they get real bad.


Also, Ill offer my services for lobbing off body parts if infections set in. I can whittle a mean peg leg


Only if you make me a wood parrot that has a shotgun in it's mouth.


ahmen.

Deathshead420 wrote:As your leader, I encourage you, from time to time and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so! But allow me to convince you. And I promise you, right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo … except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is – I collect your f g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f r here. Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the f g time! [Pause] I didn't think so.
 
   
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Georgia,just outside Atlanta

You might have a great deal of whittling to do KC, as Amputation seems to be the "approved method" of preventing infection from zombie bites.
Of course the person who was bitten ( at least according to fiction) more often than not dies anyway, even when the infected area is amputated (shock trauma,non zombie related infection...etc)...but for those who actually survive, a fine KC sculpted leg will be the reward.


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Tucson, AZ, USA

FITZZ wrote: You might have a great deal of whittling to do KC, as Amputation seems to be the "approved method" of preventing infection from zombie bites.
Of course the person who was bitten ( at least according to fiction) more often than not dies anyway, even when the infected area is amputated (shock trauma,non zombie related infection...etc)...but for those who actually survive, a fine KC sculpted leg will be the reward.


Start making them now while you access to tools!

Ok, that's a little morbid.

Honey is a good way to pack wounds also to prevent infection believe it or not.

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Georgia,just outside Atlanta

Sckitzo wrote:
FITZZ wrote: You might have a great deal of whittling to do KC, as Amputation seems to be the "approved method" of preventing infection from zombie bites.
Of course the person who was bitten ( at least according to fiction) more often than not dies anyway, even when the infected area is amputated (shock trauma,non zombie related infection...etc)...but for those who actually survive, a fine KC sculpted leg will be the reward.


Start making them now while you access to tools!

Ok, that's a little morbid.

Honey is a good way to pack wounds also to prevent infection believe it or not.


Here's another prevention method that caught my eye...

http://proceedings.jbjs.org.uk/cgi/content/abstract/87-B/SUPP_III/251-c


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Tucson, AZ, USA

FITZZ wrote:
Sckitzo wrote:
FITZZ wrote: You might have a great deal of whittling to do KC, as Amputation seems to be the "approved method" of preventing infection from zombie bites.
Of course the person who was bitten ( at least according to fiction) more often than not dies anyway, even when the infected area is amputated (shock trauma,non zombie related infection...etc)...but for those who actually survive, a fine KC sculpted leg will be the reward.


Start making them now while you access to tools!

Ok, that's a little morbid.

Honey is a good way to pack wounds also to prevent infection believe it or not.


Here's another prevention method that caught my eye...

http://proceedings.jbjs.org.uk/cgi/content/abstract/87-B/SUPP_III/251-c



Repulsive, but I can see it working, may have to research this a bit more.

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Georgia,just outside Atlanta

Some interesting stuff here as well...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1385918/

http://journals.lww.com/academicmedicine/Citation/1956/31110/A_Method_of_Teaching_Combat_Surgery.6.aspx


... It's funny as I'm the sort of guy who won't go near a Hospital unless I absolutely have no choice, Butterfly stitched / duct taped and super glued many an injury on myself (which drives the Missus nuts).
So the "idea" of emergency field surgery doesn't bother me...though I'm sure if it ever came down to doing it for real I wouldn't be so non chalant...still...if push came right down to shove...I'd try.


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Secret lab at the bottom of Lake Superior

Well, at least my summer home will be safe from zombies!

Take a look at this awesome house!

I wonder how much stockpiling could be done in the basement....

Commissar NIkev wrote:
This guy......is smart
 
   
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oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....

micahaphone wrote:Well, at least my summer home will be safe from zombies!

Take a look at this awesome house!

I wonder how much stockpiling could be done in the basement....


oh wow...i want that house...i mean,i want it,how much? give me it now!

Deathshead420 wrote:As your leader, I encourage you, from time to time and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so! But allow me to convince you. And I promise you, right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo … except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is – I collect your f g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f r here. Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the f g time! [Pause] I didn't think so.
 
   
 
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