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I wouldn't say useless... but the military is just a section of society as a whole compressed down into groups and given the same clothes to wear, folks from every walk of life. I've ran into rabid liberals, gang-bangers, folks who I'm pretty sure had parents with a little bit to narrow of a genepool to work with and everything in between.

But at the end of the day, their still people, and since families follow, their close by. Now those living on base may have it a bit different, their family is already there. But those who's family are hundreds/thousands of miles away have to make a real hard choice. Those like me, who lived about 12mi from base, I had alot of options.

Though, knowing my luck it would happen while I was working and would have gotten munched breaking up what I thought was yet another fight between drunk idiots

Who cares about warhammer during and/or after a zombie plague? No one. And that's my problem. I did not spend hundreds of dollars on a hobby to have a zombie apoc ruin it all.
Also, toilet paper. Seriously guys, anyone here ever wiped his ass with leaves? I did once on a hiking trip and I'm never doing it again.. unless I have to. Also I had explosive diarrhea that time too so my stack of whatever dried leaves I could find ended up being inadequate.

Mostly....Well, I don't think I would miss much.

I've lived from rural Mississippi to Alaska, i've been through natures wierdness from a volcanic eruption (which was kinda cool) to hurricanes (much less cool.)...Living without the little things like electricity, hot water, a functioning toilet, climate control beyond "MOAR BLANKETS!" and basic human contact doesn't bother me a whole lot anymore. I'd rather not go through the like again, but it's not world shattering for me if I have to.

The sight of people fighting over bags of Doritos in prep for a hurricane leaves one with the thought of "There is not going to be a next time where I am in this situation." and one amasses a bit of food, ammunition, weaponry, and whatever medical supplies that are deemed to be required/obtainable. More or less good to go. If nothing else, I have the knowledge to take an M16 down to its component screws and springs, and in a movie-esque zombie apocalypse, there are going to be plenty for me to grab and get spare parts from. Same for the 92F that I am quite familiar with, not much of a leap to go from that to an M9.

My biggest issue would likely be that I wear glasses, and without a lenscrafters things are going to suck in a few years, even if I don't break the things. That's what rifle optics, peep sights and binoculars are for though. Trying to drive around with gridlocked roads and gas stations sucked clean would be such a pain.

Come to think of it, I don't work well with groups either. I tend to either wind up leading or leaving. Preferably leaving.

If I were a "lone survivor" as in 99.9999% (which would leave about 7000 people out of 7bn) of humanity had died off due to some plague or zombie infection I would probably try to have as much fun as possible for a few years before I got bored and topped myself.

7000 people is too few scattered over too much area to make a particularly viable society. Not to mention they would probably be people I didn't like

In terms of things I would miss during the few years - on a day to day, I would probably miss the internet - it would contain enough ready information so I could make, or find pretty much anything I would ever need.

In the day to day - probably free time, as I would have to either live off canned or "disaster" style foods, or spend a lot of time growing and caring for my own crops/veg/etc. Not to mention time spent repairing/finding machines/fuel/etc.

Longer term I would probably miss human interaction most, followed by medical care if anything happened to me, followed by day to day products like toothpaste (which would eventually go off) and toliet paper, which I would eventually run out of/it will eventually decompose before I can locate it.

If I were to live out my "natural life" (which could be up to another 50-70 years), I would say that companionship would be the biggest hardship

And if there are zombies/etc around, a lot of time spent ensuring they didn't eat me.

Trying to find a place to create a cure for the plague and look awesome giving it to a fellow survivor and running into a horde with a grenade to save all of humanity...

DickBandit wrote:If the whole zombie thing came about I'd do the smart thing and turn the game of life off. I'm sorry but that's just bs. Life itself is an obnoxiously difficult game, and if wants to go and be even more cheap and difficult, than I'm not playing. feth that.

You mean if people want to go and cheat the game of life, and take a second turn after they fethed up first, then you're turning it off. Lets not kid ourselves, zombieism is a cheat code...

Sckitzo wrote:Breaking the quote tree

Yes, they do, but it would make for bad cinema if half way through the movie they military rolled in and won the fight , that and guys like Romero likes showing the "evils of mankind" through his movies, meh.

Though I did 8yrs in the military, I honestly wonder how many of my former coworkers, across all branches, would really stick around and fight it out and not bail and run for home to protect their families.

In this case a Necropocalypse wouldn't be that much different than any invasion of a nation in history. History has shown us that a well trained army will usually stick together as a cohesive fighting force, even under the worst of circumstances, because the men in that military formation will typically acknowledge that they stand a better chance of protecting their families if they remain a part of the whole rather than an individual.

Oh, and screw the M16, if the Necropocalypse hits, I'm making for the nearest AK. I'd be lucky if I had the time to break the damn thing down to its component parts so I could clean it every time the fething piece of crap breaks down.

terranarc wrote:Also, toilet paper. Seriously guys, anyone here ever wiped his ass with leaves? I did once on a hiking trip and I'm never doing it again.. unless I have to. Also I had explosive diarrhea that time too so my stack of whatever dried leaves I could find ended up being inadequate.

I really don't want to be known as the "expert" on ass-wiping on the forums, but from personal experience I can tell you that it will get a lot worse before it gets better. I mean even when I camp now, I usually bring a roll just in case. That being said as long as you know which leaves your using, your good. If not, then you'll probably whip your ass with poison ivy or something.

Okay, enough talk on the wiping of one's ass. On to a different topic.

To be honest, water would probably be the biggest issue in a post-apocalyptic, zombie-infested world. A good majority of all the remaining fresh water based sources in the world have some sort of harmful, life-threating impurities in them. Pre-packaged bottle water would become a rarity as well, seeing as that would probably be the first products to go at the start of major, world disaster. Not to mention that many, dis-illusioned individuals would waste countless gallons of water on more insignificant needs.

chaos0xomega wrote:
In this case a Necropocalypse wouldn't be that much different than any invasion of a nation in history. History has shown us that a well trained army will usually stick together as a cohesive fighting force, even under the worst of circumstances, because the men in that military formation will typically acknowledge that they stand a better chance of protecting their families if they remain a part of the whole rather than an individual.

Oh, and screw the M16, if the Necropocalypse hits, I'm making for the nearest AK. I'd be lucky if I had the time to break the damn thing down to its component parts so I could clean it every time the fething piece of crap breaks down.

Fired some old Soviet 47's in 'Stan, was not that impressed with them, some people swear by the platform, others by the AR, FAL or even Mini, there has been so much done to the AR series of rifles though it's become like Barbie for grownups. Hell you can even throw on of those nifty zerofail BCG's in it.

But don't want to turn this in to a whole cake vs pie thing.

I think your right for the most part, most people would stick around, but then again, it depended on the type of ZPAW, was their warning? Did the outbreak happen over weeks or months? Or was it a overnight thing, like DOTD04 or 28Days. If it's one of those super fasting moving ones, I see everything going to hell rather quick like.

Hell, the guys on the Aircraft Carriers mentioned early stand the best chance most likely, as long as they don't dock.

terranarc wrote:Who cares about warhammer during and/or after a zombie plague? No one. And that's my problem. I did not spend hundreds of dollars on a hobby to have a zombie apoc ruin it all.
Also, toilet paper. Seriously guys, anyone here ever wiped his ass with leaves? I did once on a hiking trip and I'm never doing it again.. unless I have to. Also I had explosive diarrhea that time too so my stack of whatever dried leaves I could find ended up being inadequate.

Hundreds of dollars? Your worrying about hundreds of dollars, on plastic, in a zombie apoc? Your kidding me. Ive bought a house, spent thousands just to keep my YARD well groomed over the years, I have a car thats bought and paid for, and your complaining about PLASTIC! IM COMPLAINING ABOUT MY HOME OWNERS INSURANCE! THEY WONT PAY gak FOR A ZOMBIE OUTBREAK

KingCracker wrote:

terranarc wrote:Who cares about warhammer during and/or after a zombie plague? No one. And that's my problem. I did not spend hundreds of dollars on a hobby to have a zombie apoc ruin it all.
Also, toilet paper. Seriously guys, anyone here ever wiped his ass with leaves? I did once on a hiking trip and I'm never doing it again.. unless I have to. Also I had explosive diarrhea that time too so my stack of whatever dried leaves I could find ended up being inadequate.

Hundreds of dollars? Your worrying about hundreds of dollars, on plastic, in a zombie apoc? Your kidding me. Ive bought a house, spent thousands just to keep my YARD well groomed over the years, I have a car thats bought and paid for, and your complaining about PLASTIC! IM COMPLAINING ABOUT MY HOME OWNERS INSURANCE! THEY WONT PAY gak FOR A ZOMBIE OUTBREAK

Oh snap your rigth, would they pay if it where BURNING zombie outbreak? Fire in on the dance floor would get a whole new meaing, and imagien the unpleasnet jobb of cleaning up after a Z - apocaclypse.

I have to admit I'm a bit amused at the "toilet paper" worries, though I suppose if one plans to take shelter in the woods some sort of "sanitary product" is a concern.
Though I would hypothosize that their would still be plenty of " paper products" for your wiping needs to be stockpiled.
Even in emergency situations ( Katrina for example) food,water and batteries/flashlights were the main "grab" items before the storm hit, and though paper products were depleted, there was still a lot left.
Not to mention alternitives...your average fast food place contains pallets of napkins ( and there are plenty of those in isolated ares), and of course...since " normal rules" don't apply, you could wipe with a silk tie or a mink coat.

Now, fresh water I can see as a real concern, my family goes through about a case a day, so even a large stockpile won't last long..
Purification pills, bleach and boiling collected water would be manditory, as would the means to collect rain water/dew.
Properties with wells/near streams, would also be good, so long as they were defendable.

@ KC, that's were giving up "creature comforts" comes in, when the gak hit's the fan...screw the house,the big screen TV and the collection of Warbarbies.

Or just use your hand, some water and a bit of camp soap if you have it, or you use *shudder* reusable toilet paper, be like washable diapers, both of these ideas make me want to throw up in my mouth a little bit, especially when you factor in all the GI issues everyone would be having in the ZPAW, but their alternatives.

Sckitzo wrote:Or just use your hand, some water and a bit of camp soap if you have it, or you use *shudder* reusable toilet paper, be like washable diapers, both of these ideas make me want to throw up in my mouth a little bit, especially when you factor in all the GI issues everyone would be having in the ZPAW, but their alternatives.

Both are acceptable if need be, my main point is that the world is filled with paper, so I don't see "what to wipe with" being a huge issue.
Now...where to gak...that's the issue, some form of sanitation (if occupying an area for a long term) must be kept up, can't let waste pile up in the corner.
Of course, utilizeing waste as fertilizer would be an option.

FITZZ wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:Or just use your hand, some water and a bit of camp soap if you have it, or you use *shudder* reusable toilet paper, be like washable diapers, both of these ideas make me want to throw up in my mouth a little bit, especially when you factor in all the GI issues everyone would be having in the ZPAW, but their alternatives.

Both are acceptable if need be, my main point is that the world is filled with paper, so I don't see "what to wipe with" being a huge issue.
Now...where to gak...that's the issue, some form of sanitation (if occupying an area for a long term) must be kept up, can't let waste pile up in the corner.
Of course, utilizeing waste as fertilizer would be an option.

fertilizer?!?!? ewww.....human crap isnt good for that stuff,at least not as much as cow and other animals...

lord commissar klimino wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:Or just use your hand, some water and a bit of camp soap if you have it, or you use *shudder* reusable toilet paper, be like washable diapers, both of these ideas make me want to throw up in my mouth a little bit, especially when you factor in all the GI issues everyone would be having in the ZPAW, but their alternatives.

Both are acceptable if need be, my main point is that the world is filled with paper, so I don't see "what to wipe with" being a huge issue.
Now...where to gak...that's the issue, some form of sanitation (if occupying an area for a long term) must be kept up, can't let waste pile up in the corner.
Of course, utilizeing waste as fertilizer would be an option.

fertilizer?!?!? ewww.....human crap isnt good for that stuff,at least not as much as cow and other animals...

Not as good, but can be utilized for compost...have to work with what you have, and the ability to grow ones food as well as hunt/fish are going to be extreamlly important skills when all the super markets are swarming with dead folk.

FITZZ wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:Or just use your hand, some water and a bit of camp soap if you have it, or you use *shudder* reusable toilet paper, be like washable diapers, both of these ideas make me want to throw up in my mouth a little bit, especially when you factor in all the GI issues everyone would be having in the ZPAW, but their alternatives.

Both are acceptable if need be, my main point is that the world is filled with paper, so I don't see "what to wipe with" being a huge issue.
Now...where to gak...that's the issue, some form of sanitation (if occupying an area for a long term) must be kept up, can't let waste pile up in the corner.
Of course, utilizeing waste as fertilizer would be an option.

fertilizer?!?!? ewww.....human crap isnt good for that stuff,at least not as much as cow and other animals...

Not as good, but can be utilized for compost...have to work with what you have, and the ability to grow ones food as well as hunt/fish are going to be extreamlly important skills when all the super markets are swarming with dead folk.

true...but if your in the city or some place tight in space,you dont have room/time for growing stuff.

That's why the idea is to get out of the City at the very first indication of trouble.
Have your exit and alternitive routes planned out, avoid freeways and major highways.
Make sure your "escape gear" is ready, guns,ammo, enough food and water for several days travel.
And above all have at least two fortified "fall back" areas that your heading to...don't just run blind, these areas should be rural, near streams and supplied.

You cannot use human feces for compost piles without a certain method being done, you should never uses the feces from anything that eats meat, so dogs, cats, people, ect.

As to where to gak, IIRC, make sure it's at least 100ft away from water source, cooking area, horse stables (How we got Cholera), and living areas, may be a few others.

I do agree about having a plan, one is none, two is one ect, ect.

Don't count on hunting, during great depression we almost exterminated the deer population in the US, why I stock pile food now, not for zombies, but real life scenarios.

Ohh and as for the paper, some stuff works, but stuff like magazines don't really, their to glossy, and sometimes the inks on certain types of papers will cause irritation.

Sckitzo wrote:You cannot use human feces for compost piles without a certain method being done, you should never uses the feces from anything that eats meat, so dogs, cats, people, ect.

As to where to gak, IIRC, make sure it's at least 100ft away from water source, cooking area, horse stables (How we got Cholera), and living areas, may be a few others.

I do agree about having a plan, one is none, two is one ect, ect.

Don't count on hunting, during great depression we almost exterminated the deer population in the US, why I stock pile food now, not for zombies, but real life scenarios.

Ohh and as for the paper, some stuff works, but stuff like magazines don't really, their to glossy, and sometimes the inks on certain types of papers will cause irritation.

Seems I read somewhere about detoxifying human waste for use as fertilizer...have to check up on that.
Defiantly agree that any " Privy" should be well away from dwelling areas.

I also agree that stockpiling foods ( in your secured location) is a good idea, caned goods, MREs, etc...but but still believe that hunting and fishing ould be viable as well, your not going to face a vast depleted animal population, simply because there won't be that many humans left to hunt them...now, diesease might depleate their number and pose a problem.

...Yeah, I figured glossy magazines would be bad for "wiping" needs...

True, I tend to think of things that won't kill everyone else off, I need to learn to package animals to preserve them, still need that skill set.

You CAN detoxify human feces, it's just a PITA. I can't find the method to do it anymore. But IIRC, it takes upwards of a year to make nightsoil safe. So if your living in your fort made of shipping containers in the ruins of Detroit or some such, it may work.

Really don't want that job though.

Sckitzo wrote:True, I tend to think of things that won't kill everyone else off, I need to learn to package animals to preserve them, still need that skill set.

You CAN detoxify human feces, it's just a PITA. I can't find the method to do it anymore. But IIRC, it takes upwards of a year to make nightsoil safe. So if your living in your fort made of shipping containers in the ruins of Detroit or some such, it may work.

Really don't want that job though.

Still, thinking long term, which you'd have to, converting solid waste to fertilizer would be a " must do", crappy job, but beats starving.
You do bring up an interesting question concerning storage of game though, if you find yourself in a situation with out generators/electricty for cold storage...one would have to either cook and " pioner preserve" their kills, or waste a lot of food, unless of course you have a fairly large group that could consume a buck over a short period of time.

FITZZ wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:True, I tend to think of things that won't kill everyone else off, I need to learn to package animals to preserve them, still need that skill set.

You CAN detoxify human feces, it's just a PITA. I can't find the method to do it anymore. But IIRC, it takes upwards of a year to make nightsoil safe. So if your living in your fort made of shipping containers in the ruins of Detroit or some such, it may work.

Really don't want that job though.

Still, thinking long term, which you'd have to, converting solid waste to fertilizer would be a " must do", crappy job, but beats starving.
You do bring up an interesting question concerning storage of game though, if you find yourself in a situation with out generators/electricty for cold storage...one would have to either cook and " pioner preserve" their kills, or waste a lot of food, unless of course you have a fairly large group that could consume a buck over a short period of time.

Sure hope people like salt...and you have a healthy supply of it. I know there is a few ways to chill food, bury it deep, soak it in water, and read a few others, but given the Arizona environment I hope we find alot of solar panels....

Mom's Journal of the Zombie Years That's a story that has been going on for a while, zombie survival but the girl that writes it, Kathy, doesn't focus on the guns and killing of zombies as much as how people can adapt and such, some really interesting ideas, if you have alot of hours to kill it's worth reading over.

Well to list a couple-

Lack of talking to live/uninfected people(Id be a shut-in)

Run out of ammo eventually. Then have to resort to just running away or close combat which is not viable for groups of them.

Lack of food. Living in CA I have no hunting experience so I would have to forage and eventually try to hunt/make a garden.

NO TV/INTERNET, Id be the person that wrote "I miss the internet" on the wall in LFD

All in all though, In my plan I would stay at my house till everyone was dead or left. I have enough food for a month and solar panels for electricty. After that I would leave and find civilization, hopefully. The only problem I would have with this though is all of the body-born diseases like typhoid.

On a side note I recommend watching "Survivors" on netflix it is a post-apoc series (No zombies but a disease wipes out 97% of britian) Pretty good for ideas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivors

Going off topic for a moment and looking on the bright side...

At least you won't have to worry about burying the dead.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Going off topic for a moment and looking on the bright side...

At least you won't have to worry about burying the dead.

QFT

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Going off topic for a moment and looking on the bright side...

At least you won't have to worry about burying the dead.

Wrong, Once you cap them, if they are any where near where you intend to stay, you are going to have to bury then for sanitary purposes. Leaving them out to rot would not be a good thing.

Jake

Sckitzo wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:True, I tend to think of things that won't kill everyone else off, I need to learn to package animals to preserve them, still need that skill set.

You CAN detoxify human feces, it's just a PITA. I can't find the method to do it anymore. But IIRC, it takes upwards of a year to make nightsoil safe. So if your living in your fort made of shipping containers in the ruins of Detroit or some such, it may work.

Really don't want that job though.

Still, thinking long term, which you'd have to, converting solid waste to fertilizer would be a " must do", crappy job, but beats starving.
You do bring up an interesting question concerning storage of game though, if you find yourself in a situation with out generators/electricty for cold storage...one would have to either cook and " pioner preserve" their kills, or waste a lot of food, unless of course you have a fairly large group that could consume a buck over a short period of time.

Sure hope people like salt...and you have a healthy supply of it. I know there is a few ways to chill food, bury it deep, soak it in water, and read a few others, but given the Arizona environment I hope we find alot of solar panels....

Mom's Journal of the Zombie Years That's a story that has been going on for a while, zombie survival but the girl that writes it, Kathy, doesn't focus on the guns and killing of zombies as much as how people can adapt and such, some really interesting ideas, if you have alot of hours to kill it's worth reading over.

Thats one benefit of Arizona actually, solar panels everywhere. Just hope that someone with some electrical know how survives. Which shouldn't be to hard this is AZ afterall everyone knows how to shoot. Also lots of mountains, just go to your local friendly mountain top and watch and laugh as zombies try to scale the mountain

Did consider that Captain Jake, but deemed it more amusing to ignore such inconveniences.

Those first few summers will be brutal though, it will kill off tons of survivors that the zeds didn't, unless people make it up to the Flag area. Me I'm shooting for Heber/Overgaard my self. I'm trying to learn a bit about wiring solar panels up, one was given to me by a friend along with the...err stuff for it, ya, I need to research this a bit better. But I know I can use it to charge some 12v stuff like in the car, should prove useful for burning man at least.

I'll have to look into that TV show, I just recently got Netflix, it's pretty awesome so far.

Here is a interesting bit, did you know that the Amoxicillin that you buy for fish, is the exact same type that they manufacture for human consumption? Well certain brands at least. Compare the markings on the pills, now I really don't recommend self medicating, even antibiotics as you can do far more damage than good, but if you have a Doc/RN in your group, might be useful to know. Hopefully I make it through my RN school, got the guns,ammo,food and water now and 8 years of Security/Law Enforcement work under the belt, figure tack on a BSN and people will damn near have to take me along

Sckitzo wrote:Those first few summers will be brutal though, it will kill off tons of survivors that the zeds didn't, unless people make it up to the Flag area. Me I'm shooting for Heber/Overgaard my self. I'm trying to learn a bit about wiring solar panels up, one was given to me by a friend along with the...err stuff for it, ya, I need to research this a bit better. But I know I can use it to charge some 12v stuff like in the car, should prove useful for burning man at least.

I'll have to look into that TV show, I just recently got Netflix, it's pretty awesome so far.

Here is a interesting bit, did you know that the Amoxicillin that you buy for fish, is the exact same type that they manufacture for human consumption? Well certain brands at least. Compare the markings on the pills, now I really don't recommend self medicating, even antibiotics as you can do far more damage than good, but if you have a Doc/RN in your group, might be useful to know. Hopefully I make it through my RN school, got the guns,ammo,food and water now and 8 years of Security/Law Enforcement work under the belt, figure tack on a BSN and people will damn near have to take me along

One other thing about AZ, mormans. We've got tons of them and they all are religiously obligated to have a one years supply of food. I think Heber/Overgard is probably one of the better places to stake your claim, decent weather and lots of opportunities for hunting and fishing