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Quality, new models
now can we have a new book? or atleast our previous one back :K

Kanluwen wrote:

A Daemon Prince with wings can also walk.

So can a Harpy. The rules are the same. Monstrous creature + wings.

They're going to make it "the size of a valk" because they're going to do everything they can to put the screws to the chumps who like to field monstrous creatures that have a profile as small as a Guardsman.

Riiiiight. As if there were anything that would prevent those evil "chumps" from making the valk base 1/2" tall. How rampant are these "chumps?" I haven't seen a single one.

The only way a valk-sized Harpy makes any sense is in conjunction with the rumored summer of fliers where it gets new rules to let it move faster and get some sort of protection like a fast skimmer. As it stands under the current rules it's just heavy bolter fodder.

Well, most Tyranid models get larger, even Termagants and certainly Hive Tyrants and Carifexes. 2nd edition Hive Tyrant can now double as an Alpha Warrior. Next Hive Tyrant is rumoured to be again an inch larger. Trygon was originally a gargantuan creature, now a mere monstrous creature. Has to do with GW's ability to manufacture bigger models and big Tyranids looking cool (noone is scared by a 2nd edition Carnifex that is easy road kill for a Land Raider). BTW size doesn't matter much for a Harpy, as flyers rarely have cover.

I don't use a Metal Tyrant, as Tyrants aren't great in this Codex and my army uses one of the Forge World Tyrants because I love the updated-3rd edition look. However, I would definitely buy one if it came out in plastic, if only for a Swarmlord.

Honestly, I will probably buy at least one of every model in this release. More than likely several of the Tervigons.

Darth Bob wrote:I don't use a Metal Tyrant, as Tyrants aren't great in this Codex and my army uses one of the Forge World Tyrants because I love the updated-3rd edition look. However, I would definitely buy one if it came out in plastic, if only for a Swarmlord.

I was thinking of getting the plastic as a Swarmlord to go with my Forgeworld Tyrants since it should be a lot bigger, but then I realised there's a getter use. GW model for Tyrants with armoured shell, Forgeworld Tyrants for wings and Tyants without armoured shell.

Asked about rumours for the 2nd wave Tyranids, Harry said:

There might be the odd Nid or two in the pipeline.

I've heard these rumors, I've also heard that there will also be a plastic Hive Tyrant released with the Second wave of Nids. I wouldn't be suprised from a second wave, there were several big units in the Nids Dex that seem to have gotten looked over by GW.

A plastic hive tyrant would be nice...like real nice.

dalsiandon wrote:A plastic hive tyrant would be nice...like real nice.

Though this is an obvious statement it has the advantage of being non-controversial. Yes it would be nice. I'd add a Swarmlord to my rarely used Tyranid army if there was an all plastic option to do so. It would be a fun modeling opportunity.

Isn't a year and a half a little late for a 2nd wave release?

Davor wrote:Isn't a year and a half a little late for a 2nd wave release?

Yes and no.

The 2nd wave releases for most have been a year and a half, or thereabouts.

The only reason Dark Eldar are really swarming the release schedule right now is that the entire range and background and book were redone.
Dark Eldar have been in the works for what, a decade or thereabouts? They've had the time to work on the stuff. Tyranids...not so much.

Thanks Kanluwen, for the answer. I thought I saw BA have a 2nd release as well, so was surprised how they got one while Tyranids didn't

Davor wrote:Thanks Kanluwen, for the answer. I thought I saw BA have a 2nd release as well, so was surprised how they got one while Tyranids didn't

With Space Marines it's kind of an iffy thing.

The Battleforce that we saw released? That's an easy release for a 2nd wave. It's just them repackaging existing sprues.
The Dreadnought? A few retools of an existing frame, some new bits here and there--voila, entirely new Dreadnought!

The Stormraven is really the only entirely new thing in that mix; but that was really inevitable considering the Grey Knights book was going to have it in there as well.

BrassScorpion wrote:

dalsiandon wrote:A plastic hive tyrant would be nice...like real nice.

Though this is an obvious statement it has the advantage of being non-controversial. Yes it would be nice. I'd add a Swarmlord to my rarely used Tyranid army if there was an all plastic option to do so. It would be a fun modeling opportunity.

I'm sorry I was unaware that an obvious non-controversial statement would be a sore spot. As many gaunts as I have built and the genestealers I have in place to build the one thing that keeps me from going full out into the 'Nids is how expensive they are (cost wise in terms of money) and how limited their HQ is at this time. But I guess that could be said of many of the races in this game. Although plenty of IoM HQ can be had for 15 bucks or or so.

I was unaware that an obvious non-controversial statement would be a sore spot.

Sore spot? That's an odd inference. Do people here spend all their time looking for something to be upset about? To quote a famous science fiction movie, "It's a madhouse, a madhouse!" LOL.

BrassScorpion wrote:

I was unaware that an obvious non-controversial statement would be a sore spot.

Sore spot? That's an odd inference.

Just guessing, after all I did not expect my remark to generate any kind of comment at all.

Kroothawk wrote:Next Hive Tyrant is rumoured to be again an inch larger.

That will likely be the case. However, given 5th edition's rule sets that deny cover unles 50% obscured and make hiding very difficult...that makes little tactical sense. It's like an inseparateble wall separates thier modelors from the game's designers. Bigger isn't better. The hive tyrant would be better suited to return to its smaller 3rd edition profile (FW models). Besides, it looks too much now like a cumbersome carnifex rather than the lean, dangerous preditor it was.

Big Tyranids looking cool (noone is scared by a 2nd edition Carnifex that is easy road kill for a Land Raider).

I agree they "look" cool...but in turkey shoot 5th edition, few opponents are scared of a 4th edition carnifex unless its babysat by its dimunitive cousin the Alpha warrior.

BTW size doesn't matter much for a Harpy, as flyers rarely have cover.

The 5th edition codex (which should last another 4 years) isn't a flyer though, and its rules, not some adhoc expansion, should be the basis on designing the model. I would prefer to have the harpy the size of a land speeder and hug the ground.

awwww. rap you had to go and remi.d me we have 4 years left on this crap book. eh well, ....crap.

Again, this codex is much more competitive in 5th edition than was the previous codex (in 5th edition)...we should at least be thankfull for that. Personally, I think the edition (ie the main rule book) has more to do with most Nid player's grievances than simply the codex. We should see a new edition before too long. Here's hoping they take a step back from thier current vehicle lovegasm .

I think you are right, it is more in the current rules. Since this book was written for 5th, however, the current ruleset had to have been taken into account. We know whether it was the chicken or the egg in this case.

wyomingfox wrote:That will likely be the case. However, given 5th edition's rule sets that deny cover unles 50% obscured and make hiding very difficult...that makes little tactical sense. It's like an inseparateble wall separates thier modelors from the game's designers. Bigger isn't better. The hive tyrant would be better suited to return to its smaller 3rd edition profile (FW models). Besides, it looks too much now like a cumbersome carnifex rather than the lean, dangerous preditor it was.

While I agree the FW models suit the Tyrant far more than GW's (aside from not representing the armoured shell biomorph at all), having a bigger Hive Tyrant doesn't mean it won't get cover. Few people run walking Tyrants without Tyrant Guard, and a single Tyrant Guard will give a bigger Tyrant the same opportunity for cover saves as the current Tyrant.

Something else to consider is being a plastic model means you can much more easily convert it. Get the knife and green stuff out and make yourself a crouching Tyrant

-Loki- wrote:

wyomingfox wrote:That will likely be the case. However, given 5th edition's rule sets that deny cover unles 50% obscured and make hiding very difficult...that makes little tactical sense. It's like an inseparateble wall separates thier modelors from the game's designers. Bigger isn't better. The hive tyrant would be better suited to return to its smaller 3rd edition profile (FW models). Besides, it looks too much now like a cumbersome carnifex rather than the lean, dangerous preditor it was.

While I agree the FW models suit the Tyrant far more than GW's (aside from not representing the armoured shell biomorph at all), having a bigger Hive Tyrant doesn't mean it won't get cover. Few people run walking Tyrants without Tyrant Guard, and a single Tyrant Guard will give a bigger Tyrant the same opportunity for cover saves as the current Tyrant.

Something else to consider is being a plastic model means you can much more easily convert it. Get the knife and green stuff out and make yourself a crouching Tyrant

i would very much like one from the entry of C:tyranids because the artwork for them is amazing but the model atm doesn't come close to it :(

-Loki- wrote:Having a bigger Hive Tyrant doesn't mean it won't get cover. Few people run walking Tyrants without Tyrant Guard, and a single Tyrant Guard will give a bigger Tyrant the same opportunity for cover saves as the current Tyrant. Something else to consider is being a plastic model means you can much more easily convert it. Get the knife and green stuff out and make yourself a crouching Tyrant

Valid point. Though a Flyrant wouldn't benefit from a TG. Also, a larger HT does make hiding the overall unit behind LOS Blocking terrain more difficult (not that it is easy in 5th edition anyways) . I would still prefer a smaller, plastic HT. Can't I have my cake and eat it to?

-Loki- wrote:Something else to consider is being a plastic model means you can much more easily convert it. Get the knife and green stuff out and make yourself a crouching Tyrant

Crouching Tyrant, Hidden Trygon!

Sure, you can model something to take advantage of cover. But you're less likely to get flak for it if you create a cool narrative-reason for the pose, like the Tyrant looking a captive human commander in the eye or something. I know all the crawling Wraithlord guys always get crap for their models in tourney situations. But a cool diorama-style modeling choice will go a long way to mitigating that (like the kneeling Altaioc sniper-Wraithlord one of the GW guys did).

wyomingfox wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Next Hive Tyrant is rumoured to be again an inch larger.

That will likely be the case. However, given 5th edition's rule sets that deny cover unles 50% obscured and make hiding very difficult...that makes little tactical sense. It's like an inseparateble wall separates thier modelors from the game's designers. Bigger isn't better. The hive tyrant would be better suited to return to its smaller 3rd edition profile (FW models). Besides, it looks too much now like a cumbersome carnifex rather than the lean, dangerous preditor it was.

I, for one, would hate it if it got smaller. The 3rd edition Tyrant looked awful with it's massive head (compared to it's itty-bitty legs) and smiling teeth. The new one looks great, but is a pain in the rear to model, convert, and transport.

The rumor-mongers who feed me goodies have said that the Hive Tyrant plastic kit will be much more akin to the Swarmlord from Dawn of War 2: Retribution. Bigger size, but far scarier, and with a crap-ton of options. It's also not unrealistic to expect plastic (or resin) kits for the Tyrant Guard/Hive Guard in wave 3. Box of 3 for $53.75 like the Bloodcrushers, would be my guess, or even $44.50 like the Raveners.

As the mods closed the other thread, here a copy of brassangel's post there, which is exactly in line with stickmonkey's prediction, but with more details:

***UPDATE***

There will apparently be another wave of Tyranids coming soon, possibly a 3rd after that.

A Harpy is supposedly due with the "Summer of Flyers" 40k release, but that's not a part of the wave. This 2nd wave will either be in the fall or winter, and hopefully not pushed back any further. Think of how the Dark Eldar got some wave releases around and during the time of the new Grey Knights release, and expect this wave to be rather quiet alongside either the Tau or Necrons.

The models are said to be:

Tyrannofex/Tervigon (plastic kit - roughly US $50, like the Trygon)
Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord (plastic kit - roughly US $53, like the Dreadknight - if you've seen the size of the Swarmlord in Dawn of War 2: Retribution, you have the right idea...)
The Doom of Malan'tai (either metal, or that new resin/plastic hybrid we've been hearing about)
Special Edition Ymgarl Genestealer (1 mold only, Direct Order only)

Take with enough salt to season pasta water.

What you guys are fogetting is that the tyrannofex is much bigger than the tervigon. i think they will be released as seperate models or it will be added to the carnifex as an extra body or even as a seperate model. i don't think they will be in the same box. just look at the chimnies on their backs. tyrannofex must be bigger as it can fit 3 rows on its back and is a massive beast whearas a tervigon is around the same size as a carnifex. also you can't really take anything about this seriously. what is this guys source. i know gamesworkshop wouldn't release that much info so just think about it. in my opinion the second wave of nids could come (possibly this summer) but there is no evidence to say what games workshop will do. they don't even tell the staff in the stores. the first we will know of it is when they announce the second wave. then they will probably do a black box afew weeks to a month before they come out and only on the day will they release what they are going to release to the full extent. all i am saying is don't get your hopes up and don't assume anything. plus if we all knew what was coming out before they came out what would be the fun in that. sure you can plan ahead but you don't get the exitment of going into your store and finding all this new cool stuff. if they make morenids, great. i will be buying loads, but just wait and we will see what happens...

1R0NM0NK3Y wrote:What you guys are fogetting is that the tyrannofex is much bigger than the tervigon. i think they will be released as seperate models or it will be added to the carnifex as an extra body or even as a seperate model. i don't think they will be in the same box. just look at the chimnies on their backs. tyrannofex must be bigger as it can fit 3 rows on its back and is a massive beast whearas a tervigon is around the same size as a carnifex..

The Tervigon has three rows as well and from what I have been hearing, these models might look a little different than what is depicted in the codex art.

As for sources, I take Kroothawk and stickmonkey very seriously. Brassangel's post corroborates Stickymonkey's so I am believing this is legit. Kroothawk has never let us down either.

Rumours are always just rumours, but some sources are more trustworthy than others. just think about how great Sony is at keeping their new release plans secret. the sad truth, for the company at least, is that information leaks do happen.

there's no way that the Tervigon should only be as big as a Carnifex. it's supposed to have a giant stomach/abdomen teeming with fully formed termagants that it plonks down on the battlefield. replace that big belly with a big gun and blammo! tyranofex!
and if you look at the new Tomb Kings Warsphinx/Necrosphinx box those two models are pretty different from one another. Different enough, at least, that I fully believe that GW could/would also do Tervigon/tyranofex, Talos/Chronos pain Engines, Razorwing jetfighter/voidraven bomber combi sets without batting an eye.

it's supposed to have a giant stomach/abdomen teeming with fully formed termagants that it plonks down on the battlefield

what i meant was it would be a carnifex body with an extra bit you would glue to the bottem to make it larger. sorry about that, i should have elaborated.

and the tyrannofex is bigger, it has a gun designed to take down super heavy tanks!!!!!! and all in all you can see the chimnies are further apart and the beast is just collosal. i get where you are coming from and i made a mistake, i only thought it had 2 rows of chimnies, but all in all it is supposed to be a bigger beast so why would they use the same kit.

and i agree it is very likly that a tervigon and a tyrannofex would be in a second wave but all i am saying is there is no proof. not saying it wont happen, it probably will, but you can never be sure unless games workshop actually announce it and make sure they don't announce it on april 1st, lol. these guys may have been right in the past and i am not saying they are wrong but either way unless you have proof you can't really be sure. to be honest, in this case, i do beleive them, simply because of the amount of thing in the codex that ended up hardly being used...


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