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۞ Jack ۞ wrote:

Kan: Your right mate, about the only possible way i can find of giving cover to my harpies is by using them as shields for another one

Also mate, keep in mind that making a mould for metal is alot more price effective for them, and they can charge more for it.
I have my money on metal upgrades, like with the skaven slaves one in recent releases.

I'd normally agree, but the fact that the Hive Tyrant is going to be plastic means there will be a plastic frame featuring those weapons.

If they do it right, they can just sell the frame by itself like they did with the Island of Blood High Elf Spearmen or the Apocalypse Squadron Command Frame.

However, i have 4 large ones on my swarmy now, all converted.
Also have 9 warriors with twin bones, and 9 with bones and lash, again, converted.
I think they have missed the decent part of the market with these, took far too long to drop them.

It did take them far too long to drop them, but at the same time:
Why should they have bothered? The market was rife with the 3rd party crap by the time the codex launched and the months immediately following it.

They've gotten to see what people are going after, what specific aesthetic they want(could easily find that out from seeing army showcases, etc from tournaments)--and now they get to come in with plastic versions and potentially just slap the 3rd party crap out of the equation.

Didnt see about the placcy tyrant :O

Got a metal one which is swarmy, but my flyrant is plastic as otherwise it wouldnt stand on its base right lol.


If they would have jumped on it with the initial release then they could have made a nice proffit.
A set with 2 large boneswords and 6 small ones would have been ace.
Instead they wait until everyone has them instead, then release them.
They should have bothered simply for the proffit if nothing else.


Keep in mind mate they could look ace, but equally they could look like arse.
allthough there is a basic pattern one on the tyrant, nothing is stopping them redoing them.

I don't know about them "making a nice profit" on the original release.

By this point in time, we've seen what the 3rd parties can do. They have no problems undercutting(or in some cases, charging more than GW) and producing absolute garbage.

Kanluwen wrote:They have no problems undercutting(or in some cases, charging more than GW) and producing absolute garbage.

Because GW isn't producing them. If they had been available I would have bought GW boneswords and not gone 3rd party. If they had been there in a bitz pack with the codex release, the 3rd party companies probably wouldn't have given it a go in the first place regardless of price. As much as we all bitch, there's still a sizable part of the comunity that remains brand loyal.

winterman wrote:Just because its a monstrous creature doesn't mean it should be on the craptastic oval base.

Sometimes, a 60mm base is just not big enough

Da Boss wrote:I dunno, I find it pretty offputting for some reason.

Man, you got issues. Just because the oval base is shaped a bit like a... you know...

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know about them "making a nice profit" on the original release.

By this point in time, we've seen what the 3rd parties can do. They have no problems undercutting(or in some cases, charging more than GW) and producing absolute garbage.

Not much point in putting something in a codex if there's no model for it.

But you knew that.

also: *trolled-softly.jpg*

Kilkrazy wrote:

Da Boss wrote:I dunno, I find it pretty offputting for some reason.

Man, you got issues. Just because the oval base is shaped a bit like a... you know...

Pineapple? (Or am I the only one seeing that?)

(Really it's because I think the fliers look ridiculous on the tiny tables we play on. Fliers are better in epic scale games)

Man, you got issues. Just because the oval base is shaped a bit like a... you know...

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Worglock wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know about them "making a nice profit" on the original release.

By this point in time, we've seen what the 3rd parties can do. They have no problems undercutting(or in some cases, charging more than GW) and producing absolute garbage.

Not much point in putting something in a codex if there's no model for it.

But you knew that.

also: *trolled-softly.jpg*

Sure there is. Or do you expect Sergeant Bastonne to have a model?

Its a shame that GW didn't make these models earlier, but its a good thing they are doing it now! The Bonesword bit for the Tyrannid Warriors is a breath of fresh air since having to convert almost everything that is useful in the army can get quite annoying. I can't wait to see how the Tervigon/Tyrannofex model looks.

Worglock wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know about them "making a nice profit" on the original release.

By this point in time, we've seen what the 3rd parties can do. They have no problems undercutting(or in some cases, charging more than GW) and producing absolute garbage.

Not much point in putting something in a codex if there's no model for it.

But you knew that.

also: *trolled-softly.jpg*

It's almost like they put more stuff in the book than they release or already have out so that they can hit up that book's players for more money later.

Does anyone know for sure if this second release really is coming or is this still just a rumor. I read almost all of the last 5 pages and it still seems like a pipe dream.

Why? to quote rwwin, Gw has royally bungled the Tyranid codex. It really irks me at how little thought they apparently put into some of this dex. Fail. Yep. Fail GW.
on another note. I would buy two Tervigons if the kit didnt suck. why. Just to have em for when i wanted to play a really fun game against anyone playing an older codex.

Kroothawk wrote:

winterman wrote:Just because its a monstrous creature doesn't mean it should be on the craptastic oval base.

Sometimes, a 60mm base is just not big enough

I love The Mother of All Broods! Pity you can't get 'em anymore... I'd been thinking about getting a couple for a Tervigon army...

Valete,

JohnS

sennacherib wrote:Does anyone know for sure if this second release really is coming or is this still just a rumor. I read almost all of the last 5 pages and it still seems like a pipe dream.

As the title says, it is still early rumours by one source, stickmonkey. But his rumours get more concrete.

Kanluwen wrote:

Worglock wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know about them "making a nice profit" on the original release.

By this point in time, we've seen what the 3rd parties can do. They have no problems undercutting(or in some cases, charging more than GW) and producing absolute garbage.

Not much point in putting something in a codex if there's no model for it.

But you knew that.

also: *trolled-softly.jpg*

Sure there is. Or do you expect Sergeant Bastonne to have a model?

actually, yes I do expect Sergeant Clownshoes to have a model. Just like I expect "Giant Alien Monster of Zerg Rush" to have a model. Because, well, the game is based on models.

Funny how that works.


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Platuan4th wrote:

Worglock wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know about them "making a nice profit" on the original release.

By this point in time, we've seen what the 3rd parties can do. They have no problems undercutting(or in some cases, charging more than GW) and producing absolute garbage.

Not much point in putting something in a codex if there's no model for it.

But you knew that.

also: *trolled-softly.jpg*

It's almost like they put more stuff in the book than they release or already have out so that they can hit up that book's players for more money later.

Except that they don't, or they wait so long that by the time they get around to it, people either don't care anymore, or have just switched to he newest over-powered Speds Marheenz cheese list with baby carriers that has come out in the meantime.

Are we sure there's going to be a plastic Hive Tyrant? I'd think GW would be more inclined to make a big new plastic kit for something that people don't have (Tervigon/Tyrannofex) than something most people already do.

There is room for all three in the next release. And a plastic Hive Tyrant has been on the GW internal wish list as long as plastic Gargoyles (esp. now that you need a model for the Swarmlord and more boneswords).

H.B.M.C. wrote:Are we sure there's going to be a plastic Hive Tyrant? I'd think GW would be more inclined to make a big new plastic kit for something that people don't have (Tervigon/Tyrannofex) than something most people already do.

Thats assuming that newer players or people like me who hate metal won't buy one as a replacement. Anything that makes my figure case lighter is good, plus it won't explode at the mearest touch of an unwashed. Assumptions like these would mean that we would still be playing with RTB-01 marines, because why would any one buy news ones when they already have...?

I agree it has been way too long to get these minis, but I maintain that with them we should see more 'nid players at the tables.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Are we sure there's going to be a plastic Hive Tyrant? I'd think GW would be more inclined to make a big new plastic kit for something that people don't have (Tervigon/Tyrannofex) than something most people already do.

Like Kroothawk said: there's room for all of them in the next release.

With the Hive Tyrant, there's been stirrings for awhile that they want to do the Hive Tyrant in plastic. They're trying to get rid of as many big metal kits as they can.

I can only hope that there is REALLY going to be a tervigon model. I already have everything else i need but this seems like something that anyone in their right mind, working for GW would have known to be a hot seller. Why they delayed as long as they did, no one can say. I am suspicious that it had something to do with allowing lots of time for people to convert their own, and then make these models obselete via the release of a way cooler model of their own. Planned obselesence seems to be a more active part of GW marketing strategy.

Having a Tervigon 2 years after Codex release and having a 2 year preparation for a plastic release might point to the fact, that Tervigons, Hydras and Tyrannofexes were added at a late stage in Codex development. Keep in mind that it was a first to have that many new and essential units in a Codex without a model, and every thread on Warseer suggesting their existence at that time was locked and deleted immediately for being unfounded nonsense.

If it is optional for tervigon/ tyrannofexes I'm definitely getting three...

Has this ever happened before, where a 2nd wave for a later Codex release (Dark Eldar) came first? To me, that makes it feel like there will not be a 2nd wave Tyranids release.

Fearspect wrote:Has this ever happened before, where a 2nd wave for a later Codex release (Dark Eldar) came first? To me, that makes it feel like there will not be a 2nd wave Tyranids release.

Yes, see any space marine release.

GW do not have a release policy that treats all armies equally, they focus on what they think will sell (as any company would).

Dark Eldar are a special case as 13 years after the last release the old miniatures are practically unusable, so the whole range had to be redesigned as a whole. Now it is done, they want to release the models so the army is playable.

That said, the Tervigon is also urgently needed. And having 2nd waves between Codex releases at all is still quite a new thing.

Kroothawk wrote:Having a Tervigon 2 years after Codex release and having a 2 year preparation for a plastic release might point to the fact, that Tervigons, Hydras and Tyrannofexes were added at a late stage in Codex development. Keep in mind that it was a first to have that many new and essential units in a Codex without a model, and every thread on Warseer suggesting their existence at that time was locked and deleted immediately for being unfounded nonsense.

Forum threads being locked and deleted on Warseer at whim just means it's a day ending in "y".


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Fearspect wrote:Has this ever happened before, where a 2nd wave for a later Codex release (Dark Eldar) came first? To me, that makes it feel like there will not be a 2nd wave Tyranids release.

I'm less inclined to believe that they're releasing items in "waves" as opposed to "releasing items when Matt Ward manages to slam his head into the right colored picture on the wall at the office".

Kanluwen wrote:
So, you know the stats--but don't know that it's a monstrous creature?

Yeah...there's a reason it will be "the size of a Valkyrie".

That's it? It's a monstrous creature so it needs to be a bigger target than all the other monstrous creatures?

A daemon prince with wings isn't the size of a valk. Tyrants aren't the size of a valk, The trygon is as tall as a valk, but doesn't take up nearly as much table space.

Yeah, there's a reason it will be the size of a valk. It's GW not understanding the unit's relative value on the tabletop and thinking if it's valk-sized they can charge a valk price and everyone will buy it. I'm sure there was a reason behind the pyrovore model too.

Can't wait for these new models to come out :d nids are definatly going to be my second 40k army list

Arschbombe wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
So, you know the stats--but don't know that it's a monstrous creature?

Yeah...there's a reason it will be "the size of a Valkyrie".

That's it? It's a monstrous creature so it needs to be a bigger target than all the other monstrous creatures?

A daemon prince with wings isn't the size of a valk. Tyrants aren't the size of a valk, The trygon is as tall as a valk, but doesn't take up nearly as much table space.

A Daemon Prince with wings can also walk. Tyrants have had an established size for awhile, as have Trygons. There was existing framework there, and they worked from that.

Yeah, there's a reason it will be the size of a valk. It's GW not understanding the unit's relative value on the tabletop and thinking if it's valk-sized they can charge a valk price and everyone will buy it. I'm sure there was a reason behind the pyrovore model too.

Yeahhh...not really.
They're going to make it "the size of a valk" because they're going to do everything they can to put the screws to the chumps who like to field monstrous creatures that have a profile as small as a Guardsman.