Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave

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**Lord Scythican**

1R0NM0NK3Y wrote:it's supposed to have a giant stomach/abdomen teeming with fully formed termagants that it plonks down on the battlefield

what i meant was it would be a carnifex body with an extra bit you would glue to the bottem to make it larger. sorry about that, i should have elaborated.

and the tyrannofex is bigger, it has a gun designed to take down super heavy tanks!!!!!! and all in all you can see the chimnies are further apart and the beast is just collosal. i get where you are coming from and i made a mistake, i only thought it had 2 rows of chimnies, but all in all it is supposed to be a bigger beast so why would they use the same kit.

and i agree it is very likly that a tervigon and a tyrannofex would be in a second wave but all i am saying is there is no proof. not saying it wont happen, it probably will, but you can never be sure unless games workshop actually announce it and make sure they don't announce it on april 1st, lol. these guys may have been right in the past and i am not saying they are wrong but either way unless you have proof you can't really be sure. to be honest, in this case, i do beleive them, simply because of the amount of thing in the codex that ended up hardly being used...

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still learnin how this quote thing works, don't i feel like a noob...

I don't need proof. I have been reading this forum for several years now. I know which users give us legit information. Since I have been here, I have seen several people post reliable rumors over and over again. They always end up the truth. I really wish someone would chart the accuracy of people like Kroothawk and stickymonkey. In a way their history of being correct counts as a reference of sorts. Now if you and your three posts, posted something that Kroothawk and stickymonkey didn't know, then I would call BS until I saw some sort of proof. If you could point m,e to references where you have been right on several occasions, then I would take your info with more than a grain of salt.

Also I mean no offense with the 3 post thing. I is just an example of why I trust certain sources who have posted lots of info that ends up being the truth.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Second Wavers tend to look like the art at a glance, but have minor differences close up. GW also hasn't released a conversion pack in years (all of the current ones are either reused molds from wayback, or the butchered sprues/parts of another set). Given that they're both vaguely large MCs, it's not surprising that it'd be one set. Plus, they are rather similar. A simple body extension piece at the stomach in place of the gun piece is pretty much all that's needed, everything else can be done easily (just look at the fex sprue, and that was made a looong time ago).

**xttz**

Davor wrote:Isn't a year and a half a little late for a 2nd wave release?

A cynical person would say that:

a) The new Hive Tyrant kit is part of the move away from metal,
and more importantly,
b) All these kits are primarily motivated by a move to help GW's case against Chapterhouse, saying as they have done Tervigon, Doom, Ymgarl heads and the bonesword arms for a Swarmlord. It certainly would explain the long time between wave 1 and these releases, and how they're appearing after just enough time to get the design and tooling done.
Once these models arrive GW will have no problem preventing those 3rd party kits being sold in court...

**rwwin**

I don't believe anything GW releases would change the particulars of the lawsuit. However I do believe that these releases will strike at the demand for chapterhouse kits, leading to the same outcome. If the upcoming tervigon kit is easy to put together, looks good and is priced at or below the cost of a carnifex + chapterhouse tervigon, it will most certainly suck a lot of potential chapterhouse customers back to GW. Brand loyalty aside, a plastic kit is most always going to win over a fiddley resin one.

**Kroothawk**

The plastic kits, if they are actually release in October, were started more than a year before the Chapterhouse suit, in fact around the time the Codex was finished but not yet released. This Codex has so many new units that not all could be released within one month, so a second wave was needed. Not releasing the essential Tervigon in the first wave was not a good idea though, maybe this unit was added late.

**dalsiandon**

All I know is that it would be nice to have these other kits available. I like my CH Tervigon kit it looks great and was not complicated to build it into the Carnifex but having one kit to pay for would be nice. Especially considering the need for multiples in a army. ( Although I really shouldn't discuss cost when talking about this game, we all know its not cheap to play. ) Although every little bit helps.

**Kroothawk**

Taken from Warseer:

Blink wrote:I have been sitting on some information for a week now about upcoming Tyranid models I've been forgetting to report on.

My contact who allowed me to successfully report Catalyst becoming a psychic power that gave Feel No Pain and the Tervigon's 3D6 spawning ability MONTHS before the release of the Tyranid codex has started talking with me again and has had a few things to report about Tyranid:

First of all, apparently some Tyranid second wave models had to be redone into Finecast so that put an even further delay on anticipated models.

Second, there is currently (well, as of last week) no concrete date set for the models to be released but a general timeframe will be late this summer and early fall.

Third, all the models are done, and many are painted and have had their photos taken for promotional usage, but the release of the models will be staggered among several second waves.

Fourth, the Harpy model has been done for a long LONG time, but apparently there is something that has been holding it back from being released (educated guess is that whole summer of fliers thing that might still happen).

Fifth, the Harpy's rules are looking at getting amended along with several other large flying non-vehicle models ala White Dwarf (who my contact is also affiliated with) some time in the future. These might just be optional rules or a preview of what's to come with 6th, but you never know; they could make White Dwarf useful again. That would be a good way to get people like me to resubscribe.

I think that was it.

As a Tyranid player myself, I HOPE the Harpy gets amended a bit, because I use 2 of them now and sink 340 points into basically 2 lascannon shots which don't hurt vehicles as easily. That is NOT a good investment and I'd like to see them become less of a liability in the army.
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The fact that the models are done is somewhat old news anyway. They have been done for a while and other rumor providers have reported that part months ago.

I don't know why they're waiting so long to release them. If I were to take a stab at the logic, it's because Dark Eldar doesn't have as much staying power as Tyranid as far as the base of players go who will buy the models, so they needed to get the Dark Eldar stuff out quickly while the army was still hot (Dark Eldar hadn't been updated for a LONG time and customer response to the new book was better than most other books)... So Dark Eldar took the stage while Tyranid took the far back burner... GW doesn't like to release products too close to one another because of how we the customers work. GW needs to give us time to replenish our expendable income so we can buy more stuff from them. So with each Dark Eldar wave, Fantasy wave, and now that the Grey Knights came out, Tyranid have had a hard time trying to squeeze in their releases.
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I don't think the Harpy was ever a metal model or had to be converted to Finecast.
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but yes, the Tervigon/T-fex as a combined kit is currently expected.

**Sasori**

If they are amending the rules for the Harpy, maybe they'll amend some other rules for the Tyranid Codex...

Either way, looking forward to getting these models finally, but a new Necron Release will probably come first for me.

**H.B.M.C.**

"Third, all the models are done, and many are painted and have had their photos taken for promotional usage, but the release of the models will be staggered among several second waves."

'Cause God knows Tyranid players haven't waited long enough...

**Sasori**

H.B.M.C. wrote:"Third, all the models are done, and many are painted and have had their photos taken for promotional usage, but the release of the models will be staggered among several second waves."

'Cause God knows Tyranid players haven't waited long enough...

Not playing Space marines, I've gotten used to it for my releases... Sad but true.

**Alpharius**

"Staggered among several second waves" sounds... wrong.

Good luck though, all you Tyranid players out there!

And remember, double check your "Fine"casts before leaving the store!

**grizgrin**

Alph speaks truth. Seems Customer Based QA is order of the day. Personally, I am really REALLY hopefully about upcoming stuff for bugs. I love my bugs. I LOVE my Harpys. Please dont feth us again, GW. Please. I'm not asking that my bugs be all uber and stompy all over everything else out there, but un feth ing some of the feth ed up gak in that book would be a welcome treat. Tell you what, I'll even pick up some of your resin models if you balance it well. Just to say thanks.

**Inanimate**

Kroothawk wrote:Third, all the models are done, and many are painted and have had their photos taken for promotional usage, but the release of the models will be staggered among several second waves.

All the models as in all the models they were planning to release are done, or ALL the models that have an entry in the codex are done?

**Tzeentchling9**

Sasori wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:"Third, all the models are done, and many are painted and have had their photos taken for promotional usage, but the release of the models will be staggered among several second waves."

'Cause God knows Tyranid players haven't waited long enough...

Not playing Space marines, I've gotten used to it for my releases... Sad but true.

Quoted For F***ing Truth.

**Kroothawk**

Inanimate wrote:All the models as in all the models they were planning to release are done, or ALL the models that have an entry in the codex are done?

I think all models of the second wave, so the rumoured Tervigon/Tyrannofex, Harpy, Doom, Ymgarl Genestealer and Boneswords.
BTW I prefer correct quotes (Blink said it, not me), as one of those false quotes made it to BolS and BoK.

**Inanimate**

Kroothawk wrote:
Inanimate wrote:All the models as in all the models they were planning to release are done, or ALL the models that have an entry in the codex are done?

I think all models of the second wave, so the rumoured Tervigon/Tyrannofex, Harpy, Doom, Ymgarl Genestealer and Boneswords.
BTW I prefer correct quotes (Blink said it, not me), as one of those false quotes made it to BolS and BoK.

Thanks and apologies etc.

**Samus_aran115**

A shrike conversion kit would be great too. The tyrannofex has proven to be a gigantic failure, so I don't even see the point of making a kit for it. They could seriously just give you a carnifex kit and throw in another sprue for the giant gun it has.

Harpy should be great. They're impossible to convert, especially since we have so little information on what it exactly looks like.

**michaelcycle**

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**Kilkrazy**

Kind of necron.