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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/20 19:49:29
Subject: Re:Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Personally, I am excited about all those rumours and will possibly uy all models, even when I already have some scratchbuild or non- GW versions. But I like variety and new shineys.
BTW bad news on a rerelease of the Forge World Tyranid terrain: Hive Node from www.warpshadow.com got this official answer by FW:
Hi there.
I’ve talked to the people in charge and they have informed me that due to the cost of making these terrain pieces we would have to increase the price of each kit by at least three times the previous amount. However, we are not prepared to re-release them at those prices and so we will be continuing the research into alternative production methods for our larger scenery pieces. As such we will not be able to supply them to you for the foreseeable future. Once again, please accept our apologies for any inconvenience caused.
Fun fact: The original Warseer thread disappeared without a trace, though hidden in "general discussion". Good thing I found it today and copied all information
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/20 20:08:49
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I would not be surprised at all to see GW release the old FW Tyranid terrain as plastic kits at some point. In fact, I poured over every page of the NidDex where there was a capillary tower or other 'Nid terrain piece to see if there was any sign they were plastics...
It wouldn't be the first time they hid plastics in plain sight!
Valete,
JohnS
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Valete,
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/20 20:13:06
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Someone say harpy?
Yea, im up to 3 now, and they really dont do all that much
Nice to sonic a unit for multi-assault, but thats about it.
Unless your against mech, and you can use them to pop transports all day long.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/20 20:20:59
Subject: Re:Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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[DCM]
GW Public Relations Manager (Privateer Press Mole)
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That is an excellent conversion Jack!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/20 20:40:57
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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No lie! Do you have a step-by-step for that?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/20 21:10:30
Subject: Re:Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Well, that's a Trygon with a shortened tail (leave out middle part) plus added Balrog wings, weapons and talons on the wings, quite straightforward but good looking.
I was more daring and took a Reaper model (think shooting and flying by psychic means):
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/20 21:15:59
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Fixture of Dakka
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۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Someone say harpy?
That actually had me for a moment. But it's a Trygon isn't it? Where did the wings come from?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/20 21:19:34
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Kroot has it spot on
Trygon, missing tail mid section, balrog wings and 2 stranglethorn cannons.
About the only annoying part is clipping the carapace a bit behind the head and at the bottom to allow the parts to fit in a different pose
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Flash, let me know if theres any small tournies going on in the local area
Want to get more use out of them lol, as of now its the usual 7-8 people i play.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/20 21:29:00
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Fixture of Dakka
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۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Flash, let me know if theres any small tournies going on in the local area
Want to get more use out of them lol, as of now its the usual 7-8 people i play.
Will do, but don't hear of many.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/20 22:14:53
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Thats the problem mate, usually get 1-2 a year down portsmouth, but wasnt sure of the southampton area.
Might have to make a thread on dakka and see whats about in hants.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 12:02:00
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Mighty Chosen Warrior of Chaos
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That conversion is great Jack. I would put money on the Boneswords staying efectively the same as the current HT one if the basic shape isn't changing too much...
I'm really looking forward to this now, I know it's really early, but this might be the spur for me to get off my backside and get what I have finished so that I can get right on with any new stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 12:12:01
Subject: Re:Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Using Object Source Lighting
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This reminds me that i need to buy some trygon kits and gargs and... yeah shame on me for not even getting one of the latest bugs  ... maybe the new incoming bugs will spice me again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 13:01:21
Subject: Re:Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Stormin' Stompa
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Looking forward if there's a Tyrannofex and plastic hive tyrant. My old tyrant is missing a leg, and I want to make a new one now that I know what I'm doing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 13:02:27
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Napoleonics Obsesser
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Shouldn't it be... Tervigon that can be upgraded to a Tyrannofex? I don't see how the two could be in the same kit. They're drastically different! A tyrannofex is like a giant carnifex on steroids, while a tervigon is like a weaker carnifex Unless I'm underestimating how big a tervigon is :3 Automatically Appended Next Post: Mr Nobody wrote:Looking forward if there's a Tyrannofex and plastic hive tyrant. My old tyrant is missing a leg, and I want to make a new one now that I know what I'm doing.
I was thinking that it'd be a tervigon that can be upgraded to a tyrant. It would work, except for the fact that tervigons aren't upright like the tyrant, so you'd need a ball and socket sort of thing for the legs, instead of the little pegs they have
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 13:24:30
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Plaguelord Titan Princeps of Nurgle
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Samus_aran115 wrote:
Unless I'm underestimating how big a tervigon is :3
I think that's what it is. I think I'm doing the same thing. I think that all the carnifex-to-tervigon conversions have made it seem smaller than it really is. If you look at the backs of both creatures in the codex, they have the same three-stack configuration running down the shells of their armor, making them look very similar.
I think the tervigon is as big as the tyrannofex, but the conversions have down-sized it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 13:28:07
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
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If you look at the picture of each in the book they have a lot of similarities in body-shape and structure. Having the two as a combined kit would work quite well I think, and would be another use for the big oval base.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 13:38:16
Subject: Re:Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I've been holding off on converting my own Tervigon and Tyrannofex due to the size. I've seen some very good conversions and scratchbuilds, but I'm worried that I'll spend time building something and it'll end up looking really bad once the official releases make it.
I feel there is a bias against us 'Nid players as the Dark Eldar are getting a third wave before we get a second wave. Yeah... Yeah... Yeah... the last time they saw any new releases was back when Reaganomics was king. :p
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 17:33:55
Subject: Re:Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Infiltrating Oniwaban
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Kroothawk wrote:Here a small update by stickmonkey on the 2nd wave:
Harpy. Flyer base. Harpy is about the size of a Valkyrie.
Ugh. Really? Why does a T5 4W model need to be the size of a valkyrie? Is the standard table size going to go up to 4x8 with all these huge models GW is pumping out now?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 17:40:06
Subject: Re:Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Dakka Veteran
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*double post ignore please*
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 17:43:01
Subject: Re:Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Arschbombe wrote:Kroothawk wrote:Here a small update by stickmonkey on the 2nd wave:
Harpy. Flyer base. Harpy is about the size of a Valkyrie.
Ugh. Really? Why does a T5 4W model need to be the size of a valkyrie? Is the standard table size going to go up to 4x8 with all these huge models GW is pumping out now?
So, you know the stats--but don't know that it's a monstrous creature?
Yeah...there's a reason it will be "the size of a Valkyrie".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 17:51:41
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Tunneling Trygon
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So, you know the stats--but don't know that it's a monstrous creature?
Yeah...there's a reason it will be "the size of a Valkyrie".
Just because its a monstrous creature doesn't mean it should be on the craptastic oval base. Frankly if it has the same LOS profile as a valk I'll be much less tempted to buy one. If there's any model in the codex, let alone the game, that needs a cover save, its a harpy. The valk profile, stand and base will make that pretty hard to do.
And if they always intended the harpy to be a 'flyer' on a flyer base, then why not give it move as jetbike rules? Something to justify the cost and LOS profile.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 18:01:54
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
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winterman wrote:
Just because its a monstrous creature doesn't mean it should be on the craptastic oval base. Frankly if it has the same LOS profile as a valk I'll be much less tempted to buy one. If there's any model in the codex, let alone the game, that needs a cover save, its a harpy. The valk profile, stand and base will make that pretty hard to do.
And if they always intended the harpy to be a 'flyer' on a flyer base, then why not give it move as jetbike rules? Something to justify the cost and LOS profile.
Why is the oval base "craptastic"? It's fine. Of all the things to complain about with GW minis, the oval base has got to be pretty far down there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 18:46:37
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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I dunno, I find it pretty offputting for some reason.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 19:14:39
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Plaguelord Titan Princeps of Nurgle
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Da Boss wrote:I dunno, I find it pretty offputting for some reason.
I'm not crazy about it either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 20:08:17
Subject: Re:Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
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Funny, hearing that the Harpy is the size of a Valkyrie made me even more excited for the release. I've never used a Harpy, but I'd buy one just to paint for Hive Fleet Seraphim.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 20:08:19
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Tunneling Trygon
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Why is the oval base "craptastic"? It's fine. Of all the things to complain about with GW minis, the oval base has got to be pretty far down there.
Its fine for an undercosted flyer like the valk/vendetta. Its not a good base for anything you have to move through terrain, walls, etc to get into assault. It (and similar bases like bikes bases) cause issue with how one moves the model and not gain extra movement, or other similar shenanigans (eg multi assaulting with the trygon).
Keep it simple -- the harpy is a T5 W4 4+ save MC. Does it need to be the twice the size of a demon prince and perched 5" up in the air above any kind of cover save?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 20:09:33
Subject: Re:Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Its mostly fine, but unlike every other round base model, rotating the base in place can violate some of the movement rules for 40k. This is irrelevant when used on a vehicle, because the odd shaped hulls already have restricted movement when nearby models or impassable terrain and can already cheat forward movement by rotating...
But ultimately it isn't the shape of the base that tyranid players will take issue with but the 8" tall stem that will undoubtedly push the harpy up in to the stratosphere. Toughness 5, 4 wounds, 4+ armor, no possible cover save on most common tourney tables, unless you are generating your own cover through venomthropes. it is not an improvement on the harpy's playability. Perhaps if the venom cannon was more effective, than a case could be made that the increases LOS that the stem gives is useful, but I have not found that to be the case.
Regarding the other releases, even though I have converted my own tervigons and tyrrannofexes, and even received the odd compliment on them, I would much rather have cool plastic ones, and a standardization of their size would help in determining who can get cover from who, and who can give cover to who. It would make me very happy to have plastic kits for both of those units.
I don't use them, but both the doom and the parasite are often used special characters and it will be nice to have models representing them.
The ymgarl metal is rather silly. If you buy even a few boxes of genestealers to make regular ones, then you'll have ample tentacle faces, scything talon arms, and extended carapace bits to make your own ymgarl in plastic. But a single metal model won't be taxing GWs production much, so who cares.
I sure hope that promised metal bits pack is also a part of the release. lash whips and boneswords are a vital component of hte warrior unit, and completely lacking from the range.
Plastic hive tyrant would be pretty welcome too for casual play, but I don't tend to use them in my competitive lists. That's really pretty irrelevant though. many people will enjoy a new, cool looking fully plastic hive tyrant kit. And it'll be great to have in the line.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 20:18:48
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I think that the release will be good as it will at least show a standardization of size relationships for certain things. I've seen really small, fat, tyrannofexes to large, tall, tyrannofexes. I just wish they'd make a spore pod. I've seen tiny ones to F'N huge ones. It's ridiculous.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 20:38:03
Subject: Re:Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Shep wrote:Its mostly fine, but unlike every other round base model, rotating the base in place can violate some of the movement rules for 40k. This is irrelevant when used on a vehicle, because the odd shaped hulls already have restricted movement when nearby models or impassable terrain and can already cheat forward movement by rotating...
But ultimately it isn't the shape of the base that tyranid players will take issue with but the 8" tall stem that will undoubtedly push the harpy up in to the stratosphere. Toughness 5, 4 wounds, 4+ armor, no possible cover save on most common tourney tables, unless you are generating your own cover through venomthropes. it is not an improvement on the harpy's playability. Perhaps if the venom cannon was more effective, than a case could be made that the increases LOS that the stem gives is useful, but I have not found that to be the case.
Let's face it. Harpies shouldn't be seeing cover saves on any table. They're monstrous, flying creatures with no legs to land.
Regarding the other releases, even though I have converted my own tervigons and tyrrannofexes, and even received the odd compliment on them, I would much rather have cool plastic ones, and a standardization of their size would help in determining who can get cover from who, and who can give cover to who. It would make me very happy to have plastic kits for both of those units.
Yes. Yes it would. Mostly to screw the people who have the Tervigons/Tyrannofexes that are as long as a Land Raider, but height-wise are smaller than a Guardsman over.
I don't use them, but both the doom and the parasite are often used special characters and it will be nice to have models representing them.
The ymgarl metal is rather silly. If you buy even a few boxes of genestealers to make regular ones, then you'll have ample tentacle faces, scything talon arms, and extended carapace bits to make your own ymgarl in plastic. But a single metal model won't be taxing GWs production much, so who cares.
The Ymgarl metal isn't going to be a general release. That's what is meant by "Think Flash-Gitz". The Flash-Gitz model is one that, while looking dynamic as all get out, is very unique and would work best as a unit leader not as the basis for an entire unit.
Doom/Parasite I'd take or leave. The Doom wasn't that difficult to convert really.
The Parasite goes hand in hand with that, as if you're converting Shrikes/Winged Warriors--you're able to convert a Parasite fairly easy.
I sure hope that promised metal bits pack is also a part of the release. lash whips and boneswords are a vital component of hte warrior unit, and completely lacking from the range.
Plastic hive tyrant would be pretty welcome too for casual play, but I don't tend to use them in my competitive lists. That's really pretty irrelevant though. many people will enjoy a new, cool looking fully plastic hive tyrant kit. And it'll be great to have in the line.
They're not "completely lacking from the range". You just have to get them from the Hive Tyrant kit and bits sellers.
As it stands though, it's less likely to be a "metal bits pack" and more likely to be a plastic frame.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 20:46:36
Subject: Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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That also reminds me NAV, shouldnt you be sculpting up some more decent kits for us?
Would love something to replace the ugly abomination that is the new biovore.
Kan: Your right mate, about the only possible way i can find of giving cover to my harpies is by using them as shields for another one
Also mate, keep in mind that making a mould for metal is alot more price effective for them, and they can charge more for it.
I have my money on metal upgrades, like with the skaven slaves one in recent releases.
However, i have 4 large ones on my swarmy now, all converted.
Also have 9 warriors with twin bones, and 9 with bones and lash, again, converted.
I think they have missed the decent part of the market with these, took far too long to drop them.
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