Early rumours about Tyranid 2nd wave

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**Manchu**

Brass Scorpion wrote:A second wave would surely do well too.

I, for one, will start a Tyranid army if this becomes the case.

For the record, I have also recently purchased Chapterhouse's Tervigon conversion kit and am entirely satisfied with it in the absence of an official model.

**Kanluwen**

I kind of wonder if the Ymgarl Stealer information isn't another case of wire-crossage.

I can't see them selling them as one metal kit, which would just be...well, useless and wouldn't sell anywhere near as well as if they released a set of metal Ymgarl Stealer heads and other bits and bobbles.

**MajorTom11**

Yup, a metal mini anything above a 5 man/monster/alien infantry unit always struck me as stupid. 5 Incubi fine, but I assume if you take Ymgarl you are looking at at least 8 minis, if not more. Flash git was equally useless and disappointing on that front for me.

As you say, better to re-cut a sprue of Ymgarl bitz for direct order from the existing pieces. Far, far more useful.

**The Fragile Breath**

Marrak wrote:The lack of a prime is somewhat confusing

Here's to hoping that people figure out some day that a Tyranid Prime IS a Warrior, not a special Warrior, just a Warrior. Those extra shoulder pads? Yeah. Boom. Tyranid Prime.

On track: I don't use any of them really, but the Lash Whip/Bonesword sprue makes me very happy. I use them on all my Warriors and am unwilling to buy 3rd party or convert them. The Harpy, well, if the model is cool enough, I'll start using one in my army.

As for the Doom? I know he's going to look insanely awesome, and I will be very happy to finally have an actual Doom model, not just a Zoanthrope that thinks he's Doom.

**H.B.M.C.**

Kanluwen wrote:I kind of wonder if the Ymgarl Stealer information isn't another case of wire-crossage.

I can't see them selling them as one metal kit, which would just be...well, useless and wouldn't sell anywhere near as well as if they released a set of metal Ymgarl Stealer heads and other bits and bobbles.

Maybe that’s not the point – it did say that it would be like the Flash Git model, and just a one-off “collector” piece. Yes, it’s not useful, and a conversion kit would be far more practical (and good from a sales perspective), but I can see them doing that.

**Kanluwen**

See, now if that's the case then I hope it's posed awesomely as a centerpiece for a unit of Ymgarl Stealers.

**Marrak**

The Fragile Breath wrote:
Marrak wrote:The lack of a prime is somewhat confusing

Here's to hoping that people figure out some day that a Tyranid Prime IS a Warrior, not a special Warrior, just a Warrior. Those extra shoulder pads? Yeah. Boom. Tyranid Prime.

On track: I don't use any of them really, but the Lash Whip/Bonesword sprue makes me very happy. I use them on all my Warriors and am unwilling to buy 3rd party or convert them. The Harpy, well, if the model is cool enough, I'll start using one in my army.

As for the Doom? I know he's going to look insanely awesome, and I will be very happy to finally have an actual Doom model, not just a Zoanthrope that thinks he's Doom.

I fully understand the Prime is a warrior, but by that logic, a SM Captain is still a SM.

It's not an absolutely required model, but the lack of one is still surprising.

**Kroothawk**

That is not quite true.

The new Tyranid Codex is a retro Codex, giving new rules to old OOP models like spike rifle gaunts, strangleweb gaunts, old bonesword Warriors (photo on the right), Epicast Mycetic spore, Armorcast Exocrine (=Tyrannofex), Armorcast Malefactor (=Tervigon), and esp. the old Hive Tyrant (now Alpha Warrior, photo on the left, modified with Chapterhouse bitz):

And Chapterhouse has perfect Ymgarl heads, Chapterhouse and Troll Forged perfect Dooms, and even more companies now offer bone swords and Mycetic Spores.

**Chapterhouse**

I agree its a throwback codex, being a nid player since 1995. Im surprised at how you used our bits on the 2nd edition Tyrant, thats a new one for me!

You still use the fugly Twarriors though with the bugsbunny teeth?!

**MajorTom11**

I love the original warriors, apart from the teeth. I miss the sting tail, the thorax/abdomen split and the exposed organs under the ribs...

**Aduro**

The old warriors were Awesome. It was the crap metal Warriors that came after that were horrid.

**Kroothawk**

Chapterhouse wrote:You still use the fugly Twarriors though with the bugsbunny teeth?!

I had a few and bought several extra. But I might buy some more to apply your alien heads

**H.B.M.C.**

I've got a lot of the old plastic and metal 'Nid Warriors from late 1st Ed/2nd Ed (for the metals). I like them really. I've got heaps of the current ones as well, but the old ones had a certain charm to them.

**Temujin**

The old bug warriors ARE Nid warriors to me. That's how they were when I first became aware of them and their latest incarnations are a bit too much Hive Tyrant lite for me. I'd probably think they were goofy if I wasn't looking at them through nostalgia goggles, but I don't know - they are way more creepy than the current range.

**BrassScorpion**

Advanced Space Crusade was the first 40K miniatures boxed game that I bought from GW. Those early plastic Tyranid Warriors and Genestealers still make up the core of my Tyranid army, though I have continued to add to it with each new generation of models.

**H.B.M.C.**

BrassScorpion wrote:Advanced Space Crusade was the first 40K miniatures boxed game that I bought from GW. Those early plastic Tyranid Warriors and Genestealers still make up the core of my Tyranid army, though I have continued to add to it with each new generation of models.

Ditto, except when I bought it it was called 'Tyranid Attack'. Those 8 'Stealers and 6 Warriors have been the centre of my 'Nid army for... a long time now.

**Aduro**

Saddly, while I have a few of my old things lying around, I was so bad at modeling and painting and storing my stuff back then they're not anything I would use in my current army. The only exception are my old old Screamer Killers, which other than their arms are still the old old metal ones. Those however do need to get tossed into a vat of Simple Green and cleaned up and repainted with less than their current 2" thick layer of paint.

**Kroothawk**

Here a small update by stickmonkey on the 2nd wave:

There is a bit of speculation in this post so I'm putting in general and not rumors.

Lots of internal rumbling on a 2nd wave of tyranids. I don't have timelines, but expect it to hit before end of year, but after dark eldar releases complete that codex.

First, a new tyrant model is soon to debut. It has options for the swarm lord. It has some slight differences from the current metal, but is basically similar. I do think it stands between an inch or more higher, but not as tall as a trygon. I did not have an existing tyrant to compare. Wings are supposedly in the kit, but I did not see those.

Second, a harpy has been done, and will either be in this release or in the "summer of flyers"

Next for plastic kits the tervigon is finalized. IMO it does not exactly meet the image in the codex, but if you squint it's close. The model is nice and definitely fits the line.

This is where it gets fuzzy. The tyrranofex is not at all shaped or sized IMO like the tervigon model. I did not have them side by side to compare, but lot of Internet speculation these kits would be combined. I don't see it. Some pieces like legs might have dual use, but I didn't see sprue cuts to tell there. If they are one kit, it will surprise me.

No word on mycetic spores... Either way. I would place a bet they are also coming, but I don't know anything solid.

For metals,

There is a doom and parasite sculpted. They look as expected. Doom is fairly dynamic, parasite is a bit bigger than I thought and will likely use the larger skimmer base.

Also someone mentioned old one eye is getting a new sculpt, but I don't know how much faith I place in that one yet.

And a new yrgarll genestealer in metal...think flash gitz

That it for now.

Cheers.
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Tyrant. Plastic.
Parasite. Vyper/wave serpent skimmer base, not flyer base.
Harpy. Flyer base. Harpy is about the size of a Valkyrie.

One thing I did not look closely at is the harpy/tyrant parts comparison. It's possible, though not probable, those might be a shared kit.

**Kilkrazy**

I'm afraid they are too late for a lot of Tyranid players.

I have already made my own Tervigons, Tyrannofexes and Mycetic Spores.

Newbies might be interested, though they are as likely to move on to GK or whatever is the nine days wonder this month.

**olympia**

If they get a new codex as part of the 2nd wave then Nidd will be all set.

**AgeOfEgos**

Kilkrazy wrote:I'm afraid they are too late for a lot of Tyranid players.

I have already made my own Tervigons, Tyrannofexes and Mycetic Spores.

Newbies might be interested, though they are as likely to move on to GK or whatever is the nine days wonder this month.

The Tyranid debacle has to be considered a total failure for GW.

1. The codex is weak----most units fall into Top Tier or Crap Tier---and this should be the tinkerer codex of 40k considering the routes/evolution they have available.
2. They failed to realize what Top Tier was and have a model available for it (Pushing out the Venomthrope at launch while STILL not having a Tervigon/Tyrannofex?) There is a serious disconnect between design and production.
3. The FAQ made a weak codex even weaker. What two themes were present at launch (Tervigon baby maker or Tyrant Reserve shock)......they FAQ one away.

If they announced they were pushing Sisters/Necrons/Whatever back to better serve Nid players with a new Codex......I would endorse it.

**The Fragile Breath**

Well, as usual, I'll play the devil's advocate. These new releases sound really exciting to me, I'm okay with our current codex, and my friends like to only use the FAQs on confusing rules.

Rumblings of a plastic Tyrant make Fragile very, very happy.

**Sasori**

The Tyrant Models are going to have to look significantly better for me to change mine.

I'm all for Tervigon and Tyrannofex kits. I'm a terrible converter, and have no problem for that.

I"ll pick up the Special Characters as well.

Either way, I'm looking forward to this release.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Kilkrazy wrote:I'm afraid they are too late for a lot of Tyranid players.

I have already made my own Tervigons, Tyrannofexes and Mycetic Spores.

Newbies might be interested, though they are as likely to move on to GK or whatever is the nine days wonder this month.

Y'know for a bit there I thought I understood GW's thinking. Figuring that everyone already head Carnifexes they nerfed them and included several new uber units in the codex. Makes sense, push the new stuff right?

But... it's been what a year and a half? And they don't have the new stuff in the shops! They're pushing business to Chapterhouse etc among the hard core gamers and new guys will walk away after waiting forever for their uber units.

WHAT IS THE LOGIC HERE?

**MDizzle**

look the simple fact is this. Those units suck and are way overcosted. IF they want sales they need to do a white dwarf release with a rules update

1.Tyrannofex sucks is way overpriced 2

2. Harpy: up there with the worst units in 40k for the points

3. Y-Stealers are great but why would you by them one at a time in a blister?

4.The Doom after the FAQ nerf why would you buy this now?

5. The Tervigon people would buy this if the model was outstanding but if the price is too high people have already converted up there own I doubt you would see many. Hell I have 2 conveted up I wouldn't buy one.

**Lord Scythican**

Regardless of all the problems, delays, etc. a plastic Hive Tyrant with Swarmlord options and wings would sell like crazy. I would probably start up a third nid army if that came out.

**grizgrin**

Pretty binary responses here. Love or hate.

**rwwin**

Kilkrazy wrote:I'm afraid they are too late for a lot of Tyranid players.

I have already made my own Tervigons, Tyrannofexes and Mycetic Spores.

Newbies might be interested, though they are as likely to move on to GK or whatever is the nine days wonder this month.

Tyrainds are my main army and it's not too late for me. Here's how I see it:

- Plastic Hive tyrant - Hell yes! I've got one old metal HT and one old metal Flyrant. They are fragile and a pain to tote around. They requrie much more TLC than my larger plastic trygon. I'll gladly retire them both for a well made plastic HT kit for nothing more than convenience.

- Plastic Tervigon - If it's a good kit then I'll pick up at least one. I built one of the CH tervigon conversions. It worked but it was just too fiddely for me to want to build more of them and I have no desire to scratchbuild one. Right now when I need another tervigon I plunk down an carnifex and call it counts as. I don't like proxies, so yes I'll probably pick one up.

- Tyranofex & Harpy - Maybe, it would depend on price and "cool" factor of the kit. I just haven't had the time or energy to convert either one, but I might be tempted by some good looking plastic.

- Everything else - probably not. I've either converted it or don't want it.

I don't argue that GW hasn't bungled Tyranids, but I haven't given up on them yet. GW certainly won't have gotten as much money out of me as they want, but if the rumors are half way true, they'll get some. The bottom line for me (and I expect others) is that cool looking kits will still generate some sales regardless of the state of competative gameplay.

**Captain Jack**

Agreed, it has been a long wait. Yes there is a large selection of boneswords, and more than a few tervigon conversions/kits out there from 3rd parties.

The problem is that most of them are horrible, don't want to derail this thread (my views on CHS are well known, I suppose) but that dropping touted a few pages earlier would not attract my cash, nor have any of the other offerings out there. There are a few companies that provide half descent BSword alternatives, but they are all flawed in one way or another, so I have been making do with plasticard for now. I hope the GW swords are similar to the curent ones on the Hive Tyrant, as they are my prefered shape.

I hope the kits turn out like their art works, and if so I will be spending some of my cash on them. I also hope this rumor is true as I have heard the odd rumbling about 'nid kits, and plastic is so much nicer to deal with than metal.

**UltraPrime**

They will probably look nothing like existing version, just so you can't sneak a 3rd party one in lol.