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Hi,
stickmonkey over at Warseer regularly gives us early rumours about upcoming releases. Here his early rumours about a Tyranid 2nd wave:

Also, in other rumors, August is being banted about as Tyranid 2nd wave. To include:
Doom blister
Tyrannofex plastic with options to build as Tervigon - unreliable rumor as to the optional build, but I'm throwing it in
Harpy
Tyranid direct only lashwhip bonesword upgrade blister for warriors
"yrmgarll?" direct only genestealer blister...like flashgit model, one pose, direct only.

On the flyer front. Theres a rumor of a thunderbolt fighter in design for plastic...from the sound its very early, and if other rumors are true of a "flyer" WD supplemental release, it would not make that cut.

As always, my rumors are typically far off and subject to change. but so far ive got a better hit to miss ratio...hopefully GK wont ruin my record...

Those all sound like great kits, do we have any idea when this second wave would be?


Thanks for the updated info Kroothawk.

That sounds like it should make niddies happy! Bout time on the seperate boneswords etc. They better make a tervie too.

Sasori wrote:Those all sound like great kits, do we have any idea when this second wave would be?

Erm ... August

BTW stickmonkey mostly posts rumours about far away releases, because NDAs prohibit him talking about the early Grey Knight release, but not the Necron or Tyranid release after that ... yet.

Definately interested in seeing a model for both the Tervs and Tyrans.

So when is the date slated for release?

Thanks for the latest scoop.

It's in the first line of the quote, folks!

Kroothawk wrote:It's in the first line of the quote, folks!

Ah...so when they say August, they don't mean a person's name, which is Latin for awesome?

By August most `Nid players won't care about the Bonesword/Lashwhip conversion kits I bet. Too many out there already that make them.

Agreed with Aduro.

I hope they release a Mycetic Spore as well to at least define its size. It'd be quite a missed opportunity otherwise.

Don't really need a model for the doom, it's annoying enough sometimes just as a "counts as" zoanthrope.

Still the tyrannofex might be good enough to force me to make my zerg, er, I mean nid army.

Nah, they won't do a Mycetic Spore. It's the new Drop Pod. Should probably come out in a few years.

TBH I'm just glad to hear about the second wave. There's a whole bunch of stuff that don't have GW approved models in the codex so I will wait in anticipation to see what they will release. Harpy, tyrannofex and tervigon are the ones I'm sure everyone is waiting to see.

My money is on fliers being introduced into the main rule set for 6th edition. I wonder if the thunderbolt is being developed for that purpose.

Kroothawk wrote:Hi,
stickmonkey over at Warseer regularly gives us early rumours about upcoming releases. Here his early rumours about a Tyranid 2nd wave:

Also, in other rumors, August is being banted about as Tyranid 2nd wave. To include:
Doom blister
Tyrannofex plastic with options to build as Tervigon - unreliable rumor as to the optional build, but I'm throwing it in
Harpy
Tyranid direct only lashwhip bonesword upgrade blister for warriors
"yrmgarll?" direct only genestealer blister...like flashgit model, one pose, direct only.

On the flyer front. Theres a rumor of a thunderbolt fighter in design for plastic...from the sound its very early, and if other rumors are true of a "flyer" WD supplemental release, it would not make that cut.

As always, my rumors are typically far off and subject to change. but so far ive got a better hit to miss ratio...hopefully GK wont ruin my record...

The Tyrannofex kit will be a major dissappointment to me if it doesn't have a Tervigon build. Still,even if it doesn't come with Tervigon bits,it will provide a better conversion platform than the Carnifexes do. The rest is nice,but I think everybody is waiting for Mycetic Spores.

Plastic Tyran/Terv is LONG overdue. The fact that these two huge monsters were not given kits is simply criminal.

Aduro wrote:By August most `Nid players won't care about the Bonesword/Lashwhip conversion kits I bet. Too many out there already that make them.

Look on the bright side though - at least it shows that GW are paying attention to the market, even if they don't really grasp how to be part of it yet.

Aduro wrote:By August most `Nid players won't care about the Bonesword/Lashwhip conversion kits I bet. Too many out there already that make them.

Well, not every Tyranid player has a credit card or knows about the alternatives: The target player still is the teen noob. And no current bonesword model is perfect. And no alternative model for Harpy and Tyrannofex yet apart from private conversions.

But getting official models for all the Codex units is fine and necessary, even if the unconfirmed Tervigon is the most needed. I like new shineys (or is it slimeys ). And the latest batch of models has been fine, so I have confidence (even if I don't like the Tyrannofex art).

GW gets some beating for not providing models for all Codex units immediately. But it is a result of the policy change to update armies constantly, not only once per generation, which is a good thing. Making essential units like the Tervigon unavailable for so long is a mistake though.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Look on the bright side though - at least it shows that GW are paying attention to the market, even if they don't really grasp how to be part of it yet.

meaning ever, yes? because if they were to be truly paying attention to the market they'd have payed attention to this site and warpshadow for what models should be released and what should have made it into the codex. no disrespect to you in anyway, more this is an observation and an insult to GW already low intelligence levels

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:meaning ever, yes? because if they were to be truly paying attention to the market they'd have payed attention to this site and warpshadow for what models should be released and what should have made it into the codex. no disrespect to you in anyway, more this is an observation and an insult to GW already low intelligence levels

No disrespect taken. The fine folks at Dakka (at least, those of us without our heads in the sand) are quite cognisant of GW's seemingly boneheaded methods when it comes to marketing and promotion, and the glacier-like pace in which they respond to market forces.

Kroothawk wrote:BTW stickmonkey mostly posts rumours about far away releases, because NDAs prohibit him talking about the early Grey Knight release, but not the Necron or Tyranid release after that ... yet.

So you're confirming Necrons and Tyranids to come later....

The Tyrannofex and Tervigon concept images in the book show they are clearly designed to use the same body. I would be staggered if it wasn't released as a multi-option kit like the Screaming Bell/Plague Furnace, Stegadon, High Elf Dragon etc etc.

Considering the Tervigon is several orders of magnitude more popular than Tyrannofexes, I'd be shocked if it wasn't a dual kit.

Not surprised by the bonesword kit, but the Ymgarl and Harpy rumors are surprising. The latter is a relatively simple conversion and not the most popular choice in the codex, while the former is a popular choice that idoesn't even really require conversion, just some extra Ymgarl heads.

Definately interested in seeing a model for both the Tervs and Tyrans.

I'm not, but I'm definitely interested. Especially a Tervigon. I already built a Tyrannofex, but it was a lot of work and time-consuming, so a Tervigon will have to wait till there's a kit. I have too many other projects to devote that kind of time to converting another creature like that.

Chapter House do a nice Carnifex to Tervigon conversion kit. I have just ordered one for possible conversion to a Tyrannofex.

Personally I trust a red shirt at GW over Stickmonkey

Aduro wrote:By August most `Nid players won't care about the Bonesword/Lashwhip conversion kits I bet. Too many out there already that make them.

I don't agree. I could go to Chapterhouse or make my own out of Scything Talons, but I'm sort of a GW purist - I like to have kits if they have one and I prefer not to sub out anything else if I can help it. It's one of the main reasons I don't use Warriors or Shrikes - all the lashwhip/bonesword conversion I would have to do. I don't even like to buy bits from bits stores. I don't know why - it's just a thing I have. I like to have the newest kits and I will sell my older kits when the new ones come out.

I, for one, am grateful for a bonesword/lashwhip blister. It's something we've needed for two editions now and we're finally getting it. It opens up a lot of options. What I wonder is what the blister will have in it. 5 boneswords and 5 lashwhips would be sweet. Probably 3 though.


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gorgon wrote:Considering the Tervigon is several orders of magnitude more popular than Tyrannofexes, I'd be shocked if it wasn't a dual kit.

I wonder if this is perpetuated by the fact that it is so much easier to make a tervigon than a tyrannofex. Obviously, they are different in game terms, but if the tyrannofex had a kit, I'm sure it would be seeing much more playtime. I, for one, plan on picking up two for my army if these rumors are true.

Plastic Thunderbolt rumor makes me happy.

It not coming out with the other fliers makes me sad.

Death By Monkeys wrote:Plastic Thunderbolt rumor makes me happy.

It not coming out with the other fliers makes me sad.

That's funny, because the ones you scratchbuilt have been pwning in my Apoc games of late. Yours are just as cool as the FW ones, and get lots of compliments when they see field time. Thanks DBM!

I'm just hoping the flier rules are better (meaning more detailed and better at creating a dogfight dynamic despite the I-go-you-go turn structure) than, say, Spearhead was for armor.

Back to bugs, though:

By August most `Nid players won't care about the Bonesword/Lashwhip conversion kits I bet. Too many out there already that make them.

Agreed, but that long-wait-effect might not apply to bigger things in the line, like Tervigons. You have to keep in mind that there are three things that keep many modelers waiting for GW models not released in the first wave, instead of buying from 3rd parties. I gather these three things from conversations with other gamers as well as my own experience- no actual data, just anecdote:

1) Plastic > resin for modelers who modify their kits at all, so whenever the plastic exists or is decent (even with a wait first), the time gained in easier, stronger kitbashing generally justifies the months spent waiting. This is magnified by the complexity of converting/kitbashing the piece. Bigger things- especially that still need GW bitz to complete a 3rd party kit- are more expensive both in time and additional parts and thus less worth buying unless you have an event you want to field them for right away.

2) GW kits are better for tourney players due to the 75%/50% rule in GW-supported tourneys. Sad but true. Some equipment bitz you can get away with, but the bulk of the model has to be GW if you want to play in the official GW events, like LVGT... or even have the option to do so. And if you're investing tons of paint time and have even moderate tourney ambitions, your little toys need to be able to go wherever you want to play with them. Again, the bigger the model or part involved the better it is to wait for GW releases.

3) Once they finally do come out, many of the GW kits have been of equal-or-higher quality than the 3rd party products. GWs modeling team is really hitting their stride these days, with a few bizarre exceptions (Razorgor, Vulkan, etc.). Take the DE line- not a crap mini in the whole lot so far.

With those in mind, it seems better to wait a certain period for the new stuff, unless it's really, really useful (like Tervigons). And the larger the kit, the better it is to wait for a GW one. If the three things above really do apply to the majority of 40K modelers, something like a Doom model is likely to not sell well at first and then not much at all once the GW model comes out. The Tervigon will be more complex, having size and need for GW additional parts in most kits working against 3rd party sales, but utility working for them.

I guess what I'm saying is that 3rd party bitz should sell well through out a cycle, but 3rd party full kits will probably only sell well when there's a stupidly long wait for useful units or a totally pants GW version (Thunderwolves!).

Given the waiting time until August, Aduro's probably right about the lash whip/bonesword kits from 3rd parties doing well against GW kits both now and after August, but tervigon kits will decline in sales when the GW kit comes out and perhaps even decline now that these rumors are out. So will spods, if there's ever a plastic GW model priced at $35 or under. Unless someone comes up with a kickin' spod for $20 or under, which would be a real giant-killer.

[biznerd]What would be fascinating to see would be 3rd-party sales numbers for second-wave models, tracked from release of codex until a GW model is finally released and then for some time afterwards. Then you could plot GW sales for the kits after release and compare the two charts. Oooooh, and to find out whether rumors actually matter for business, you could include the impact of a release rumor on 3rd party sales, too. [/biznerd]

Shucks, Savnock. Glad to hear that my T-Bolts are still doing you well. They do well enough, but when I compare them to a plastic Valk the level of detail just feels under par. I really still want to field a squadron of them and at this point, I'd rather buy a sharply detailed plastic one for $60 than scratchbuild one of my own.

I dont think we have to worry at all about the Tervigon kit coming out.

I chose to cater to those tyranid players who now have carnifex kits doing nothing (pretty much all of them). Our kits are perfectly legal at GW sanctioned events, since they incorporate GW parts (for those who care about such petty rules).

I bet the Tervigon kit from GW will be much more expensive as well, I am thinking in the $60 price range.

As for the Ymagrl Stealer, well, I rather have the ability to just use genestealers with all their poses and put on 3 different heads rather then 1 $15 GW metal model.

I will be interested if GW even comes out with a spore pod, but I doubt it at this time. While ours is the price of a Spacemarine Droppod, $35, and larger (to carry a carnifex of course).

I just think its not prudent to use the whole "can it be used in a GW sanctioned tournament" when GW rarely has any of its own tournaments anymore, and even the ones ran by the large cons, Adepticon, Wargamescon, Novacon, could care less if you are using 3rd party products.

We are releasing our own "Doom" model next week, and its larger then the Zoanthrope model, metal, single piece and I think we will only charge $20.00 at the most.

In any case, these are unsubstantiated rumors, for some reason I dont believe there will be a 2nd wave of tyranids...