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I have learned so much from this thread.
1. Cannerus knows everything and should be believed without question.

2. Asherion lived in someplace not named America.

3. I need to get back to Japan. The women their were nice, and thought the 6'2" white haired blond kid was the hottest thing in the world.

Thank you dakka. You have shown me the light. Or maybe its a freight train...

Asherian, the correct spelling of believing in a higher being while not following any formal religion is agnosticism, i.e. being an agnostic.


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And if you believe that God created the Earth and now sits back, watching his self contained creation, similar to how a watchmaster enjoys watching a transparent grandfather clock run, that's Deism, which was the religion of several founding fathers.

Things I don't get about the opposite gender?

Why they want equal rights yet refuse to take out the trash?

Why they say one thing and mean another (and expecting you to understand what the other thing is!)

Why they say the most horrible things when they don't mean it.

I'm sure these things don't apply to all women though.

Oshunai wrote:Why they want equal rights yet refuse to take out the trash?

Why they say one thing and mean another (and expecting you to understand what the other thing is!)

Why they say the most horrible things when they don't mean it.

1: That applies to men, too. Nobody wants to take out the trash regardless of gender.
2: Men do that, too. Humans in general do that. Or did you think that somehow men are any more honest than women? HAH! Yeah fething right. Men will lie, cheat, and steal to get what they want, you know, just like women.
3: Just like men, AGAIN. When a dude gets mad he will frequently say things he doesn't really mean. Because, you know, both men and women are people, and people are flawed?

Melissia wrote:

Oshunai wrote:Why they want equal rights yet refuse to take out the trash?

Why they say one thing and mean another (and expecting you to understand what the other thing is!)

Why they say the most horrible things when they don't mean it.

1: That applies to men, too. Nobody wants to take out the trash regardless of gender.
2: Men do that, too. Humans in general do that. Or did you think that somehow men are any more honest than women? HAH! Yeah fething right. Men will lie, cheat, and steal to get what they want, you know, just like women.
3: Just like men, AGAIN. When a dude gets mad he will frequently say things he doesn't really mean. Because, you know, both men and women are people, and people are flawed?

No offence intended melissa but i'm pretty sure everyone here is aware of the glaring faults of men, we just like to moan about our preferred gender.

corpsesarefun wrote:
No offence intended melissa but i'm pretty sure everyone here is aware of the glaring faults of men, we just like to moan about our preferred gender.

What about robots, who don't have a gender in their logically drived society?

corpsesarefun wrote:No offence intended melissa but i'm pretty sure everyone here is aware of the glaring faults of men, we just like to moan about our preferred gender.

Oh, so I'm not allowed to point out the faults of men in a thread about complaints about the opposite gender?

Melissia wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:No offence intended melissa but i'm pretty sure everyone here is aware of the glaring faults of men, we just like to moan about our preferred gender.

Oh, so I'm not allowed to point out the faults of men in a thread about complaints about the opposite gender?

Choose your own faults instead of quoting everyone and saying men are the same.

I already have.

corpsesarefun wrote:

Melissia wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:No offence intended melissa but i'm pretty sure everyone here is aware of the glaring faults of men, we just like to moan about our preferred gender.

Oh, so I'm not allowed to point out the faults of men in a thread about complaints about the opposite gender?

Choose your own faults instead of quoting everyone and saying men are the same.

I don't know about you, but I would rather have both Genders trying to figure each other out rather than both moaning and complaining.

One thing I don't understand that I've found funny: why women refuse to move the toilet seat. I'm fine with moving it after being done with it as a courtesy, but the refusal to do it has always perplexed me. You wash your hands after anyway, right? ... RIGHT?!

Dunno, I do, but then I hardly have a spoiled attitude of entitlement like many people do these days.

Melissia wrote:

Oshunai wrote:Why they want equal rights yet refuse to take out the trash?

Why they say one thing and mean another (and expecting you to understand what the other thing is!)

Why they say the most horrible things when they don't mean it.

1: That applies to men, too. Nobody wants to take out the trash regardless of gender.
2: Men do that, too. Humans in general do that. Or did you think that somehow men are any more honest than women? HAH! Yeah fething right. Men will lie, cheat, and steal to get what they want, you know, just like women.
3: Just like men, AGAIN. When a dude gets mad he will frequently say things he doesn't really mean. Because, you know, both men and women are people, and people are flawed?

I never said men don't do it aswell. Thanks for just taking what I said and tearing it apart.

Both genders are weird. Of course I am insane when it comes to competetion and I know that is the main complaints about guys they get too into things. But girls are kinda worse when it comes to competitions one time there was a girl that beat everyone in a class and yelled "Gak you all!"

Oshunai wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Oshunai wrote:Why they want equal rights yet refuse to take out the trash?

Why they say one thing and mean another (and expecting you to understand what the other thing is!)

Why they say the most horrible things when they don't mean it.

1: That applies to men, too. Nobody wants to take out the trash regardless of gender.
2: Men do that, too. Humans in general do that. Or did you think that somehow men are any more honest than women? HAH! Yeah fething right. Men will lie, cheat, and steal to get what they want, you know, just like women.
3: Just like men, AGAIN. When a dude gets mad he will frequently say things he doesn't really mean. Because, you know, both men and women are people, and people are flawed?

I never said men don't do it aswell. Thanks for just taking what I said and tearing it apart.

Isn't that what forums are for?


edit: psst, a joke

I don't understand makeup, hairspray, figure accenuating/revealing clothes and so on and then complaining about being objectified.

Guitardian wrote:I don't understand makeup, hairspray, figure accenuating/revealing clothes and so on and then complaining about being objectified.

I'm fine with women revealing more than they should on their body

Asherian Command wrote:

Guitardian wrote:I don't understand makeup, hairspray, figure accenuating/revealing clothes and so on and then complaining about being objectified.

I'm fine with women revealing more than they should on their body

Of course there are censors for the parts you post on forums.

It's funny how they never complain about how shallow we males are when they can use it to get out of a trafic ticket, or to get better tips as a waitress or bartender, or not be expected to do any physical work, or get a cushy job at a record store by being cute and flirting with the manager etc etc (yeah I got passed up for that job for a bimbo back in high school, still mad about that).

In my experience, it's only when they don't get us to do something they want (or some other chick out-hots them at their own game - ech look out then), then all of a sudden men are all just shallow pigs. My GF sometimes gets upset and starts on the whole 'men are all just so dumb' tirade when some hottie all revealing looking is on TV, like some victorias secret ad or whatever, some stupid movie or whatever, as if that's my fault that billboards and TV ads and movies are all full of such images?

Guitardian wrote:It's funny how they never complain about how shallow we males are when they can use it to get out of a trafic ticket, or to get better tips as a waitress or bartender, or not be expected to do any physical work, or get a cushy job at a record store by being cute and flirting with the manager etc etc (yeah I got passed up for that job for a bimbo back in high school, still mad about that).

In my experience, it's only when they don't get us to do something they want (or some other chick out-hots them at their own game - ech look out then), then all of a sudden men are all just shallow pigs. My GF sometimes gets upset and starts on the whole 'men are all just so dumb' tirade when some hottie all revealing looking is on TV, like some victorias secret ad or whatever, some stupid movie or whatever, as if that's my fault that billboards and TV ads and movies are all full of such images?

I act like I am different country and can only speak Italian. And it works every time. But i sound Italian sometimes. And I can speak new languages every month. Very good at learning languages.
Anyway I found it funny how all the girls now, Know i speak italian and know that I swear in Italian sometimes and burst out laughing when I do, apparently girls like the fact you try and censor yourself.
It really don't understand how girls know what I am saying now. Apparently girls believe they need to ensure they aren't getting hit on.

Asherian Command wrote:I'm fine with women revealing more than they should on their body

If you get past that way of thinking you'll make some really awesome friends

Melissia: Sorry, but there are objective differences between men and women. Yes, society has created stigmas and stereotypes, but the fact exists that women are more emotional and less suited for certain tasks and the same applies for men (less emotional and less suited for other tasks). Yes, guys lie, etc. but we're significantly less hormonal in the process. Our bodies are designed to make babies then... well, that's where your own sense of personal responsibility kicks in. Women's bodies are biologically made to grow babies and nurture them. I'm not saying that is the sum of mankind's potential, but is the base of our existence, the innate need for us to survive as a species. It underlies everything we do at least a little bit, and I guess I'm strange for not seeing that as dirty. That being said, one person can aspire to whatever they want to, conventional or not; there are plenty of "breeders" taking care of the survival aspect. I just can't buy the whole "everyone else does it too" excuse when one side, admittedly, does it more than the other by a significant portion.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:I'm fine with women revealing more than they should on their body

If you get past that way of thinking you'll make some really awesome friends

Melissia: Sorry, but there are objective differences between men and women. Yes, society has created stigmas and stereotypes, but the fact exists that women are more emotional and less suited for certain tasks and the same applies for men (less emotional and less suited for other tasks). Yes, guys lie, etc. but we're significantly less hormonal in the process. Our bodies are designed to make babies then... well, that's where your own sense of personal responsibility kicks in. Women's bodies are biologically made to grow babies and nurturer them. I'm not saying that is the sum of mankind's potential, but is the base of our existence, the innate need for us to survive as a species. It underlies everything we do at least a little bit, and I guess I'm strange for not seeing that as dirty. That being said, one person can aspire to whatever they want to, conventional or not; there are plenty of "breeders" taking care of the survival aspect. I just can't buy the whole "everyone else does it too" excuse when one side, admittedly, does it more than the other by a significant portion.

I do have awesome friends XD. Most of us are going to join different things. I sing and I am one nasty sucker when it comes to any sport. (I'm good at almost every sport).
But Anyway I agree with you on that Cannerus. It is a stereotype. I know a girl that can break my spinal cord. Except she taught me almost every single killing move I know. Of course I have yet to put them to use. Some girls are just so badass you want them as your friends as soon as possible.

Cannerus: I think you're simplifying a lot of fairly complex biology in what you are saying here. "Emotional" is hardly an exact term, so more or less emotional is almost meaningless.
Also (and this is just the obvious, easy stuff), you know testosterone is a hormone, right? We're just as hormonal, the difference is it's a constant level for us, but if effects our behaviour, too.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Melissia: Sorry, but there are objective differences between men and women.

A few. Nowhere near as many as society wants to claim, however.

Also, I don't think you quite understand the nature of the sex hormones. Modern science still hasn't entirely figured them out, nevermind someone who probably doesn't have any real education on the subject outside of wikipedia. Men need estrogen as much as, if not more than women. Women also very much need testosterone, too-- and both genders naturally produce both hormones in their body.

Melissia wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Melissia: Sorry, but there are objective differences between men and women.

A few. Nowhere near as many as society wants to claim, however.

Also, I don't think you quite understand the nature of the sex hormones. Modern science still hasn't entirely figured them out, nevermind someone who probably doesn't have any real education on the subject outside of wikipedia. Men need estrogen as much as, if not more than women. Women also very much need testosterone, too-- and both genders naturally produce both hormones in their body.

Its not the level of sex hormones present in the blood that makes a difference its the levels present during development that totally change the structure of the body and brain.

corpsesarefun wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Melissia: Sorry, but there are objective differences between men and women.

A few. Nowhere near as many as society wants to claim, however.

Also, I don't think you quite understand the nature of the sex hormones. Modern science still hasn't entirely figured them out, nevermind someone who probably doesn't have any real education on the subject outside of wikipedia. Men need estrogen as much as, if not more than women. Women also very much need testosterone, too-- and both genders naturally produce both hormones in their body.

Its not the level of sex hormones present in the blood that makes a difference its the levels present during development that totally change the structure of the body and brain.

But I thought the human body naturally started as female, and would mutate depending on the make up of its chromosomes?

Happygrunt wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Melissia: Sorry, but there are objective differences between men and women.

A few. Nowhere near as many as society wants to claim, however.

Also, I don't think you quite understand the nature of the sex hormones. Modern science still hasn't entirely figured them out, nevermind someone who probably doesn't have any real education on the subject outside of wikipedia. Men need estrogen as much as, if not more than women. Women also very much need testosterone, too-- and both genders naturally produce both hormones in their body.

Its not the level of sex hormones present in the blood that makes a difference its the levels present during development that totally change the structure of the body and brain.

But I thought the human body naturally started as female, and would mutate depending on the make up of its chromosomes?

Not quite, the base setting is kind of pseudo-female and the chromosomes have an effect on how much of the sex hormones are produced during development (conception to 18ish).

Mel: That's true. I 'd love to see more middle ground on the issue.

I'm not claiming to be a scientist or anything like it, just stating what I know with really bad diction most likely. Point is, people understood what I meant and that's what really matters. Nonetheless, women have periods and act different once a month and men don't. Feel free to to "science" that for me correctly, but women are better at dealing with emotions than men throughout history. It's even evident by the way they communicate with each other compared to how they communicate with men.

If it helps any, I'm forming my opinions based mainly on the straight and gay couples I know. Fem-fem relationships are typically drama-y and focus on that comfort that women want while gay relationships tend to be more open and really quickly and objectively (drama tends to be due to boredom and pettiness more than anything). Straight relationships seem almost defined by either the differences between the two, or by the shared attributes. The former seem to end messily and the latter tend to last more often. Not saying everyone's the same, just giving my anecdotal note here.

Also Melissia, unless you are more up-to-date on biological research (which is easily possible), I thought that while both genders have estrogen and testosterone, we currently do not understand why men have estrogen, or women testosterone, it appears that they have little to no use.

I am depressed that for the whole thread, guys have been making comments about women. Melissa comes in and makes some comments about men (sure, using other people's posts, but obviously she'd (? Assuming here) read the thread and wanted to reply) and suddenly we get defensive?