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Scarey Nerd wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Wonderful. /end sarcasm


What exactly is wrong the fluff as it is now?

It doesn't make Marines look awesome enough?

OK, I'll try and be nice from this point on.
For the most part.

We'll end up with a Tyranid-like codex for fluff and all of our lore will result in no victories just "almost wins"

Kroothawk wrote:Small tidbit by ac4155 over at Warseer:

At Black Library live yesterday in the Space Marine seminar, with James Swallow and Nick Kyme, some one asked about doing more Space Marine vs Necron books.

James reply was that it was unlikely at the moment because Matt Ward was currently working on them, and writing there background.

He also added that we would also likely see there behaviour change in a big way and wanted to say more but Nick said that they were unable to talk about it at all.

Mat Ward massively rewriting the Necron background? Necrons are so doomed!

These.. are not the rumors I like to hear :(

Do Not Want!

Well if Matt Ward likes Necrons as much as marines then Necrons might get a promotion from target practice. Hmm I wonder who the Necron spiritual liege is...

Matt Ward Guides us! Matt Ward Feeds us!

Cryage wrote:We'll end up with a Tyranid-like codex for fluff and all of our lore will result in no victories just "almost wins"

Except for the one where the Blood Angels helped us! That's a win (if only because the Marines were on our side).

Goddard wrote:Matt Ward Guides us! Matt Ward Feeds us!

This sounds like the start of a beautiful cult.

If Matt Ward is writing the book then I am happy. I think the SM codex is the best, most balanced, fun and customizable codex GW gas ever produced.

I can't wait to see what they do with the line!

i like the idea that necrons are growing more individualised; instead of fighting "nameless Lord and random necrons" you are fighting the "Everliving Phalanxes of Ebony Lord Shar'kaer'daro"

doesn't the latter seem cooler? with Shar'kaer'daro and whoever he is fighting developing a rivalry etc.

Reecius wrote:If Matt Ward is writing the book then I am happy.

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Reecius wrote:If Matt Ward is writing the book then I am happy. I think the SM codex is the best, most balanced, fun and customizable codex GW gas ever produced.

I can't wait to see what they do with the line!

you obviously were NOT around in third and forth edition then.... those marine codex had much much more options compared to the crap that's in the book now. let's not also forget how ward basically ruined the nids, seeing as they went from an army that could do something to a target practice dummy now

Cruddance wrote the 'Nid book, not Ward.

Or are you talking the fluff?

Reecius wrote:If Matt Ward is writing the book then I am happy. I think the SM codex is the best, most balanced, fun and customizable codex GW gas ever produced.

I can't wait to see what they do with the line!

So, now we know what Matt Ward posts as on these boards.


I think we'll learn that the Necrons are all mini-dreadnoughts crewed by ancient space marines, led by the Emperor himself! Because no single living metal body could contain his MightyAwesomeness (tm) he split himself into 4 equal parts that were greater than the whole. He called them Star Gods, because they were the superstars of the gods, and were too good for the warp. In a terrible twist, the very planet the emperor split on blew into 4 chunks from the process, and the parts of the emp had to galaxy surf on them until they slowed down long enough for them to jump off. Now, the 4 parts are working their way back towards each other.

yes i'm talking about the fluff. 4th ED nids were awesomeness both in rules and fluff, 5th ED kinda killed it for me though as the fluff went bad and the rules went worse

Gitzbitah wrote:I think we'll learn that the Necrons are all mini-dreadnoughts crewed by ancient space marines, led by the Emperor himself! Because no single living metal body could contain his MightyAwesomeness (tm) he split himself into 4 equal parts that were greater than the whole. He called them Star Gods, because they were the superstars of the gods, and were too good for the warp. In a terrible twist, the very planet the emperor split on blew into 4 chunks from the process, and the parts of the emp had to galaxy surf on them until they slowed down long enough for them to jump off. Now, the 4 parts are working their way back towards each other.

And somehow, each of those four parts have managed to carve "Emprah wuz here!" on the hearts of all the Chaos Primarchs!!! They're like Draigo multiplied by *mentally counts all the Traitor Primarchs* uhh... a lot!

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:yes i'm talking about the fluff. 4th ED nids were awesomeness both in rules and fluff, 5th ED kinda killed it for me though as the fluff went bad and the rules went worse

Well, Mat Ward has nothing to do with the Tyranid Codex.
And the 4th edition Codex had only one viable build for tournaments, the unfluffy Carnifex spam. And they autolost against fully mechanised armies, so practically everyone.

BTW I love the 5th edition Tyranid Codex for its variety and modelling options, but then again I am not a competitive player.

I have to admit that looking at the current crons list they are stat wise essentialy marines-even their basic weapons at a glance have the stats of bolters. as for the "we'll be back" i think its a shamble-dead cant move even if they are crons-sigh-please please change these things and many more i dont have time to mention here.

as much as i hope it not to be true..... crons are DOOMED

It actually surprises me how few people like the lack of individuality amoungst Necrons. Honestly that was a SELLING point for me! An unstoppable metal tide, whose very visage means death in any language? Yes, thank you. Their warriors do not utter battle cries to unspeakable gods. Only silence preceeds them, only silence their wake.

Only immortals and above having any semblance of personality, and that so alien, so far removed from any humanoid being, that they are utterly incomprehensable.

Their motivations are their own. Their language: their own. Yours is not to understand them. Yours is only to die to fuel their inhumane thirst.

Resistance is futile.

~~~~~

Why in the bloody blue blazes do you need ANYTHING besides THAT? My lords had personality, but my OPPONANT never got to see it. It was given to my enemies only to die. To weep and keen over the bodies of the slain.

Matt Ward. I spit on his grave. Ever since the Demons book for WHFB I have hated the man. He has yet to redeem himself.

Nagashek wrote:Yours is only to die to fuel their inhumane thirst.

Actually, yours is only to die to fuel the inhuman thirst of their bloody annoying hangers-on, the C'tan.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Reecius wrote:If Matt Ward is writing the book then I am happy.

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N0, I am being dead serious. Matt Ward writes good rules. Very good rules, IMO. (At least for 40K, some of his Fantasy work is appalling).

If he writes a book for Crons as good as BA or SM were for 40K, then it will be a great book with lots of options and a powerful army that isn't overpowered.

As for the fluff? As long as they don't change what they have too much then they will be fine. Crons have a great background as is. Some more details would be nice, but we'll wait and see. I am more concerned with how they will play on the table at this point. All the cool fluff in the world doesn't make the Crons not a horrible army that no one wants to play, now.

Sorry, Reecius. You're about to get mobbed by the Ward-haters. :(

pretre wrote:Sorry, Reecius. You're about to get mobbed by the Ward-haters. :(

Are Ward-haters a new troop type for Necrons?

*Readies pitchfork and torch for mob*

EDIT:

Are Ward-haters a new troop type for Necrons?

Surely they're a Fast Attack for all races? Because they waste no time in hating him.

Reecius wrote:If Matt Ward is writing the book then I am happy. I think the SM codex is the best, most balanced, fun and customizable codex GW gas ever produced.

I can't wait to see what they do with the line!

The problem people have with Ward isn't so much the Marine codex - most of us will agree that it's a solid book with one or two snafus in it. People who complain about Ward are either using the Blood Angels codex as reference, or jumping mindlessly on the bandwagon.

Ward has occasional moments or lucidity, in which he writes moderately balanced rules (with a certain bias) .

At other times he writes torrid SM fanfiction and OP/Unbalanced rubbish.

Sometimes this happens in the same codex/armybook.

We can only hope he took his meds this time (not that i'd object to using an OP as hell necron codex for maybe a game or two, to wipe the condescending smiles off the players I set up opposite, but i'd much rather a balanced-with-the-current-power-level codex with fluff that doesn't take a left turn directly into lala land...

I think the silliness of the BA codex is kind of endearing, I don't hate Ward, but there's a few things he could work on. The SM codex is very well done too, quite balanced IMO.

It's just that his fluff writing is kinda...well...bad.

Brother SRM wrote:The problem people have with Ward isn't so much the Marine codex - most of us will agree that it's a solid book with one or two snafus in it. People who complain about Ward are either using the Blood Angels codex as reference, or jumping mindlessly on the bandwagon.

Well, let's not forget: Mat Ward single handedly shot down game balance of 7th edition Warhammer Fantasy (OTT Daemons of Chaos army book countering lower tier O&G army book), which was slightly corrected by the 8th edition rules also credited to him.

And his background texts are not very subtle, more fitting a He-Man ad.

Considering that 8th ed is an unmitigable slaughterfest that negates the use of the movement phase for strategic purposes and rewards only armies with masses of s5 attacks, then yes. All of my Matt Ward hate is due solely to his WHFB contributions, which are truly, utterly, horrifying.

I can only hope your wrong about Ward because not only has all this talk made me nervous about the codex, but I would be extremely upset if the fluff gets destroyed and the army rules made mediocre. As long as Necrons players had to wait for this codex, if it gets made poorly most of us will have to change armies for good.

Noir Eternal wrote:I can only hope your wrong about Ward because not only has all this talk made me nervous about the codex, but I would be extremely upset if the fluff gets destroyed and the army rules made mediocre. As long as Necrons players had to wait for this codex, if it gets made poorly most of us will have to change armies for good.

That's the one thing that terrifies me more than anything. If the book is absolutely terribad , then I will have to abandon Necrons for probably 6-9 years :(