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Its not like the only people I've seen in last year where my familiy..... O wait they where. Ok I see the problem hence one of the big reasons I want to start heading up to a lgs. Ajob won't help that as yes I'd apply for a cashier job witch while it does involve human interaction it dosnt involve prolonged human interaction as even when i was working or at school I stuck to myself and rarely spoke to others. I only had 2 friends in high school havent seen either of them in over a year. I'm not to bothered just proving a point that your right. And yes I can be stubborn my entire familiy is.

Dude, nobody cares. We are giving you adavice and you choose to ignore it and expect everyone to tell you your stuff is great and then try to justify it by saying "I can't get a job because I can't be bothered to stand up" and "I was a shy kid" other people had harder times at school, me included, so just take some advice from people who know better than you.

the stripping advice I am ignoring almost everything else ive taken at least into consideration and most of it ive tried. As for the job I have tried finding a job when you don't have any experience now a days at least where I live isnt easy. especially as I can't do much that involves physical labour as if i put too much weight on my leg for too long it gives out for some reason.

You want a job or not ? Jobs are harder to get now a days so you get what your given and stick at it.

You need to strip the models, the other advice is irelavent if you don't strip the models.

the newest guys I painted where never prepainted just primed then paint added so stripping them down to bare plastic won't help in the slightest. finishing up the guys to the best of my abilitys LEARNING AS I GO then coming back to fix the older guys will end up with a better result overall. as stripping now to try and learn how to make guys that are to a standard far above current will take years of practice I'm satisfied as to what they look like now and since I posted the newest pics its been a bit more about the conversions then the paint anyway. I dont want to make them better as I don't see anyway physicly possible. Losing detail I'm not worried about as i took an exacto knife to most of it before I even started painting. HIghlighting and shadding is near impossible untill I get a grey paint but finishing up my army model wise comes before paint.

As for getting a job I'm very limited as I dont have a liscense and my mom only has the car in the mornings ever other week and I've tried every place within walking distance. as far as I'm concered me posting the project online at least here is done I've gotten very little helpful feedback here I've gotten more from sending the pics through skype or pming my friends that do help.

I can't believe you cannot see a way to improve. The whole point of stripping the paint is because every single thing about them could be much better.

And if you'd explain better then just saying if you strip them theyll be much better maybe I'd listen to you but untill I see a reason why stripping help improve them enough to warrent the 3 weeks in sg there staying the way they are.

People have been giving you lots of ways to improve but they will not improve until you strip them.

Hi Jarik,

I just read this whole thread, I'll put in my two cents.

I've been playing since first edition, although I fell away from it during fourth. When I came back to the hobby the painting skill of the average gamer was unbelievable to me. I only knew how to drybrush. After I had painted an entire company of marines I realized I might be able to make them all better. I learned about citadel's washes from this site.

I had also been using cheap acrylic paints from Michael's thinking I couldn't afford better paints and the quality of paint didn't matter. I was wrong. I noticed the difference in my painting right away. I still have the jars of paint that I first bought, since they don't tend to dry out and you water them down.

Acrylic cheapo craft paint $1.99 at Michael's, GW/Vallejo paint at Chaos Orc's Super Store - $2.67. It lasts longer and is far better.

I got some new models. I picked a new color scheme, posted up the first squad of my new heavily washed ( way too heavily washed) models and was shocked that no one really thought that they were as good as I did. I wasn't upset, but I wondered why. Everyone =said that they were orange, I made them yellow, then after a bit I realized something. They were right. I was very enamored in my new paint scheme, my new paints etc. But something had to be wrong if everyone had said basically the same thing. So I asked my wife what color she thought my marines were, she said orange.

I had put too many coats of wash over a single layer of yellow. It turned orange and I didn't see it. I realized I never took the time to learn how to paint with the washes properly. Nor with the other paints. I am now looking at every tutorial I can find. Go here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/68.page

There's basic all the way to advanced in there. Don't give up. I love this hobby, and I think I get better every year.

SO I have also decided to start over with my new skills. I have stripped my entire company of marines. That's vehicles and all 100 PAINTED marines, to start over. I also put all 4500 points of orks in the drink too. Back to plastic/metal. T o start over.

I used Simple Green, but it was a bear and didn't get all the paint. Now I use SuperClean, it removes everything without harming the plastic, but you have to be VERY careful, use gloves, etc.

BTW, I work 40-50 hours a week, go to college, and have several offspring to take care of, but I still started over. I go really slow though , but this hobby is something that I started as a teenager, and is now what keeps me calm. You'll really get more out of it if you learn the basics, believe me, I'm still learning.


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jariksolo wrote: stripping now to try and learn how to make guys that are to a standard far above current will take years of practice I'm satisfied as to what they look like now and since I posted the newest pics its been a bit more about the conversions then the paint anyway. I dont want to make them better as I don't see anyway physicly possible. Losing detail I'm not worried about as i took an exacto knife to most of it before I even started painting. HIghlighting and shadding is near impossible untill I get a grey paint but finishing up my army model wise comes before paint.

Here's something that might be a quick and dirty way to go white armor and still have some shading/depth, I just did this for my SM Apothecary:

Spray white with a good primer
Wash the whole model with GW Devlan Mud
Paint GW Bleached Bone on the armor plates, leaving the crevasses alone so the wash is still there
put a layer of 50/50 Bleached Bone and GW Skull White over the area you did with Bleached Bone
Highlight with Skull White

You can do this in batches, just water down the paint slightly.

Then paint the joints GW Boltgun metal, then wash those areas GW Badab Black wash or if you only can afford to get one wash, use Devlan Mud on the metal parts as well to tone down the brightness.

It doesn't take too long and if you do this on a squad then while one is drying, you can move on to another.

jariksolo wrote:

as far as I'm concered me posting the project online at least here is done I've gotten very little helpful feedback here I've gotten more from sending the pics through skype or pming my friends that do help.

I think there has been plenty of good feedback, its not always negative for folks to dislike work, and a lot of the criticism is indeed constructive. Keep it up and try out some better paints and a new technique. I think you'll be happier that you did.

Gorgim I appreciate you trying to help when I can get the bleached bone and devlen mud I willl as I have the other 3 already but like I said I cant do much at the moment as in order to play I still need 3 speeders converted approitly for my lgs or actual speeders. I need to fix up 6 mls as I cant use them. Plus I still don't even own a codex I think all of those take priority over paint especially when I have no job, very little chance of getting a job in the for see able future, and I owe my mother almost 60 dollers she dosn't have all ready. the paints I own include : dark angels green, blood red, skull white, chaos black, badab black wash, tallarn flesh, scroched brown, and bolt gun metal plus tons of cheep acrlic paint if you can find a way to make my army better with the 8 colors I mentioned great if not this is the best I can do untill I get a job or christmas time.

Okay, what you could do is prime white, then wash the model with Badab Black ( maybe water it down a tiny bit), then and I'm not so sure about how this would work, but you could try different ratios of Tallarn Flesh and Skull White instead of Bleached Bone.

I'm not sure which one is lighter off the top of my head, so maybe 50/50, then 25/75 Flesh/White. This would be an experiment, I haven't ried this, but in place of bleached bone, which is beige, you could try to make your own with this method. The build up lighter and lighter layers until you do the white layer. It might work, I have never really played with brown in this way and I am not a Golden Demon level painter.

Check out bits on Ebay for missile launchers, Hoard o' Bits or Blackdagger Games have them for $1.50, the Warstore also has good bits. Also they have skimmer stands as well and bases.

For the speeders, check out the above stores for parts, and I did a quick tie fighter model search on Google and found this, which may be too small, but might work with the speeder parts for something along the lines of what you're looking for:

http://www.amazon.com/STAR-WARS-INTERCEPTOR-SNAP-TITE-MODEL/dp/B001IAAC2M

_Had to take out the period off the end of the link, doh!

Simple Green might still work for your stripping purposes if you give it more time. But I got a big jug of Super Clean from an auto parts store for $5.

Gorgrimm wrote:I've been playing since first edition, although I fell away from it during fourth. When I came back to the hobby the painting skill of the average gamer was unbelievable to me. I only knew how to drybrush. After I had painted an entire company of marines I realized I might be able to make them all better. I learned about citadel's washes from this site.

This really stuck out to me, and I'll echo it. The level of the average painter has risen tremendously over the last 10-20 years, to the point that most models that are considered "table top" nowadays, would have not looked too out of place in a golden daemon competition in 1990-1995. Back then your bases were finished if they were painted a solid coat of goblin green for the love of betsy! I think the real "culprit" that's helped everyone improve by such leaps and bounds is the internet. Back then the online hobby community wasn't really around, and most people didn't have access to "high level" painters, converters, and hobbyists, and so they could only get feedback from their friends (who were usually new as well). Once the online community boomed, now everyone could get advice/critiques from a huge audience. I've learned 75%+ of what I know what online tutorials/videos/threads/messaging others, it's really a boon when you think about it.

jariksolo wrote:Gorgim I appreciate you trying to help when I can get the bleached bone and devlen mud I willl as I have the other 3 already but like I said I cant do much at the moment as in order to play I still need 3 speeders converted approitly for my lgs or actual speeders. I need to fix up 6 mls as I cant use them. Plus I still don't even own a codex I think all of those take priority over paint especially when I have no job, very little chance of getting a job in the for see able future, and I owe my mother almost 60 dollers she dosn't have all ready. the paints I own include : dark angels green, blood red, skull white, chaos black, badab black wash, tallarn flesh, scroched brown, and bolt gun metal plus tons of cheep acrlic paint if you can find a way to make my army better with the 8 colors I mentioned great if not this is the best I can do untill I get a job or christmas time.

Here's a suggestion..... ask us for help! Or accept the help and advice given to you.


We have wonderful painters on our website and a ton of people on our local forum that will offer to help in any way they can. You couldve posted on our forum asking for help with bitz or painting or something and you probably would have gotten some help had you been open to it. Hell, Im one of the nicest people youll meet and my offers for help were met with hostility. I'm constantly giving away magic cards to new players and Ive done similar for 40k. Help is there if you are open to it.

havocx who are you on the spr forums the only other person that I think is from the spr forums not 100% that posted here posted something bsad enough I had to report it and I never report and dakka seems to get me responses faster. I'm also starting to thiunk not many people at spr like me so I've been trying to avoid the site and asking for help there.


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I'm not working on this anymore untill I find a new Lgs as they defintly have a double standard and someone else has a starwars army that will make no one want to play vs me as he actually got storm trooper helms. I asked two days ago if a sentinal into bjorn conversion would be good they said no I'd have to get a regular ven dread. Then yesterday at the 'ard boys practice tourny a guy brought the above mentioned starwars army that had a sentinal and as it was a mariene army I can't think of anything it was except a dread. If the only other store within a 2 hour drive dosnt let me play then my hobby days are over...

Here's the other starwars army hes talking about. Everything in the army is wysiwyg.







Also kid, don't confuse our club forum with the store, while we have close ties, we are two seperate entities. Also, quit exargerating how many stores there are and how far away they are from you

Havocx I only know of ftw and a games that are within 30 mins that you can actually play at I tried one eyed jagues and hobbytown after time warp closed anything farther then 30 -45 mins and I wont be able to get a ride on a semi freguent basis.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Hovocx, don't worry, I'm sure most of us here believe your side of the story. Jarik's shown himself to be a pretty stubborn, defensive person.

Jarik, there is really no nice way to put it, but you need to grow up a bit. You are an adult, currently enrolled in college, but you do not act like it. You need to learn to slow down, and realize that quality work is worth the time you put into. Even your posts feel like they're rushed, as they are full of run-on sentences, misspellings and grammatical errors. Quality work has a value in of itself.

You also need to accept that other people have opinions that run counter to yours. You should not get mad or frustrated if they criticize you, especially if their intentions are to help and teach you. I honestly think that finding a job should be your top priority after school. Beyond the monetary benefits, you will hopefully learn to work with people - a trait worth far more than money. I think living at home and attending an online college has stifled your social skills.

This is not to flame you or make fun of you. There is no malice here.

+1

SPace wolves project cancelled I'll probally just stick with my chaos I can at least get someone at my lgs to play vs them even thow Id never have a shot at winning at all with them.

jariksolo wrote:SPace wolves project cancelled I'll probally just stick with my chaos I can at least get someone at my lgs to play vs them even thow Id never have a shot at winning at all with them.

No one is telling you to quit, everyone is offering advice, you just arent listening.

Since in the other thread you said everyone was telling you to strip them but didnt say what to do with them, ill give you a step by step list.

Get mom to take you to walmart

Buy simple green from walmart

Pour simple green in tub/bucket.

Drop ugly miniatures in bucket.

Wait 1-24 hours or more depending on funkificatiojn of paint, YMMV (your mileage may vary...)

Run gunk covered minis under warm water and scrub with old toothbrush(or the one you use, either is fine)

Rinse in soapy warm water

let dry

prime models. Now they are good as new.

repaint using certified, honest to god, fan-effing-tastic model paint, only do a better job.


Post pics and enjoy not getting laughed at.

or you can ignore this advice like before.

Like I posted on the other forum I've been using gw paints. I can't think of any paint better for gw models the gw paint. Skill wise witch is all I can immprove with the exception of getting more paint to have a few different colors will take a long time before anything happens. as for simple green taking only a day to strip I say bs to that I had one of my rhino tops in there for 2 weeks and not a drop of paint came off.

And as far as I'm concerned I'm not posting on any sites anymore I'll pm to the few who have helped here and there but no more especially as I don't want guard or itmademeregister seeing them.

Number 1 rule of the game? Admit defeat and they win. True story.

-J.

This was one of the most painful topics I've had to read through... May the Emperor have mercy upon you.

I have seen some picking on here, but I have seen a lot more helpful advice then the former. I am going to go out on a limb here...

To the OP--> It's okay if you aren't a great painter. This takes time. Heck I've been doing this for like 2-3 years and I have vastly improved in that time. I am still not as good as a lot of folks on here, but I am proud of what I have done thus far.

I have noticed that you turn attention away from the main point and always have an excuse for the problem, which is mainly painting. Judging from your responses I am going throw this out there but I think you are a lot younger than you are trying to say you are, simply from the maturity level you have displayed, but that's just fine the internet let's us be who we want to be and if that's how you roll I am fine with it.

Now back to the main point. I am huge Star Wars fan and think it's grand what you are attempting here. Just don't be in a hurry, you WILL get there. Accept the advice for what it is...ADVICE. I have found people on this forum to be very helpful and constructively critical. They are aren't bashing your painting skills to make you feel bad they are pointing out what they see as faults and are attempting to tell you how to fix them. And when you view that as an attack it is frustrating and gets everybody nowhere. Now don't give up on what you have, don't compare yourself to others and just take your time. The Emperor's light will surely find you.

jariksolo wrote:I use a walmart brand acrillic paint in a squizable bottle in a pallete with small holes so not too much space for the paint to begin with especially if I tried watering it down.

Try a palette. You don't need to spend any money on one. I use a bathroom tile I got at a hardware store for $1.50. I've also used CD cases. You can put a few drops of paint on the palette, then dip your brush in water (have a small jar/container for water) and mix. Should be between the consistency of yogurt and milk. Then you're good to go.

Keep at it

One I am 19 I just get annoyed as hell when everyone tellss me to basicly strip them but dosn't tell me what to fix after I strip them. Also this is a very stressful time for me so I'm doing my best to keep a semi calm attitude here but yes I do take out my general frustration out on this forums a bit. as for quiting as i found out one of my moms friends plays warhammer and hed give me a ride to the other store and he said the other store is a bit more lenient with this kind of stuff I should be fine there.

jariksolo wrote:One I am 19 I just get annoyed as hell when everyone tellss me to basicly strip them but dosn't tell me what to fix after I strip them .

The thing is? We did. Thinning paints. Using suitable paints. The point of stripping is to get a blank slate to start on. A lot of painting is patience, practice and persistance. If you want tutorials...there's a forum below this with plenty of those and plenty other blogs have WIPs that you can pick up on and try out. No need to get annoyed. We all started somewhere.

Also, if you are painting white the you should prime the models white.

THe paints, I have fixed. The only thing I might try and use my old paint for is this technique i found on the tutorials as I don't have the write color, but ill water it down almost half water. Stripping getting a blank slate is weird for me I stripped half the army once and it did fine I try to strip them again not so much.


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Ok I hate sniping makes me make a seprate response lol its annoying. As for the white Primer I do use white I used black for my black legion and a reddish brown for my khorne berzerkers I use whatever primer makes less work trying to get the main color of the army perfect.

Though if you're willing you can also get to white through layering up from grey...

Or, quite craftily, if going for a 'darker' white you can use a similar method to lipsdapips in his thread.

His method involves astronomicon grey and a black wash, highlighted back up.

My technigue was going to try the white after prime with a light wash on the edges Ive never tried it as wasnt to try it out for blacks i was doing a version of the video tut for black cloth as most of the black id be highlighting is cloth.

jariksolo wrote:but yes I do take out my general frustration out on this forums a bit.

This is a problem. We are complete strangers. The only thing we share is a common hobby. Therefore, we are here only to provide suggestions and advice about that hobby, not to put up with you being in bad moods frequently. Find another way to deal with your stress rather than taking it out on us generally friendly dakkanauts. Do you realize how ridiculous and rude it is to take your frustration out on these complete strangers that are trying to help you? We came here because we wanted to help you with your painting, not to let you vent your frustration on us.