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So?

Its only going to be vulnerable in close combat. No one is going to get a hit there at range unless they are EXTREMELY lucky. even less if the marine is taking cover(which he will be)


and the idea that it restricts movement was debunked ages ago. stop saying it does because it doesn't.

First of all the power armour Astartes use is extremely well maintained. It is kept in good order by the Astartes caring for the suit, which is as much a part of him as his own hearts, the Techmarines or Techpriests repairing & maintaining the suit and the innate Machine Spirit helping out in its own way. If it was not well maintained then not only would stick out as going contrary to the Astartes martial discipline but the power armour would have been replaced millenia ago. A suit of power armour is an item of reverence - earlier marks are held to be of great value & their owners are held in high esteem, especially those who wear the much coveted, lighter Mk.IV 'Maximus'.

Hitting those 'weak' points will not be an easy matter. Too many factors come into play. First of all the battlefield; explosions, bullets zipping through the air, las weapons discharging their beams, slugga's barking, tank & vehicle engines roaring, acrid smoke & dust sheeting the combatants, the weather hammering down at them. Secondly the Astartes; very fast moving, as quick as the Eldar, heightened senses plus the auto-senses mounted into their helmet allows them to spot & prioritise threats quickly, faster than a regular human would be able to, allowing them to adapt to the situation with a speed that is inhuman. Often decades of combat experience helping them to use cover & concealment to their advantage, excellent shots & phenomenal martial artists allow them to dominate both ranged and melee combat, huge reach & strength.

Now tell me that a renegade Guardsman, as an example, is going to calmly rise up to his feet, sight his lasgun on the weak part of the armour and blow a hole in it with a Marine bearing down on them - I think not. More likely duck out of cover, fire quickly and duck back. Self-preservation would say not to do anything that might anger those behemoths.

On to the pads moving - yes they'll move but there's a load of well shaped ceramite covering the arms & torso, so whilst the additional shoulder pad is an advantage in protection if a shot does get under it it isn't the end of the world. Just that extra armour & space between the pad & arm will help to protect the Marine further than if the pads were a) smaller or b) not there.

If you guys think they are fine, cool. Some of us disagree. This thread is about what changes people would make, not 40k vs, SW, Not I think it is fine don't you dare think otherwise. I respect you like them as they are, I disagree there is any real reason other then pure aesthetics as to why they are that big. I am not buying the theory you are pushing, I am not buying the idea they must be that big to function or that making them smaller suddenly makes them "Un-40k"

I see the word "shoulder pads" appear a lot here. THEY'RE CALLED PAULDRONS!

My personal opinion on this thread: If different types of power armor could be thrown into the mix I would suggest maybe something along the lines of Fallout-based Power Armor like this:
I would also like to add maybe some of this or other suits that could be used by Stormtroppers or Kaskrins. Just suggestions

DeadlySquirrel wrote:I see the word "shoulder pads" appear a lot here. THEY'RE CALLED PAULDRONS!

Yeah I know, I also know I will mangle that word to such an extent the spell check will give me something like pantaloons or pander or something.. I say shoulder pads, y'all know what I mean


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LORD_PANTERA wrote:My personal opinion on this thread: If different types of power armor could be thrown into the mix I would suggest maybe something along the lines of Fallout-based Power Armor like this:
I would also like to add maybe some of this or other suits that could be used by Stormtroppers or Kaskrins. Just suggestions

Yeah I am thinking about it. Already there is "Heavy" armor, terminator armor. I have did more then a little reworking of the Astarte myself and the idea of light "scout" armor I feel is not uncalled for. Also I like the proportion of those pads .

LORD_PANTERA wrote:My personal opinion on this thread: If different types of power armor could be thrown into the mix I would suggest maybe something along the lines of Fallout-based Power Armor like this:
I would also like to add maybe some of this or other suits that could be used by Stormtroppers or Kaskrins. Just suggestions

Of course this suffers from the issues mentioned earlier that each ridge on the armor creates a weak spot compared to a completely smooth surface which has completely uniform protection. The ridges and stuff just look cool.

But it is made of scrap metal in a post-appocalyptic world so we can't judge it too much. PA is made by a Galaxy spanning empire and is the height of 20,000 years of armor development.

Grey Templar wrote:

But it is made of scrap metal in a post-appocalyptic world so we can't judge it too much. PA is made by a Galaxy spanning empire and is the height of 20,000 years of armor development.

It just looks half a step more advanced then stuff Orks make Some of it is even painted red!

I read napalm somewhere in the last few pages...

There's promethium in 40k, used in flamers, I'd hazard a guess that they're probably pretty similar. Cooked marines taste the best XD

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:I read napalm somewhere in the last few pages...

There's promethium in 40k, used in flamers, I'd hazard a guess that they're probably pretty similar. Cooked marines taste the best XD

Not sure about the table top, but in the RPG's Flamers do have penetration, its hard but yeah they can cook someone in PA. They may not breach, but they will overload its power and shut it down, roasting from the inside. Also Plasma weapons do a fine jub of poking wholes in it.

Maybe a sustained bath in a flamer would kill the marine but if its just on him for a couple seconds its not going to do much. Marines regularly get hit by flamers in the fluff and come out with little more then a singed paint job.

PA is completely sealed(it can operate in a vaccum) so the flamer won't penetrate. Ceramite is also stated to be a poor conductor of heat.


So flamers arn't going to do much unless they are hot enough to melt the ceramite(Flamestorm cannons)

I would say that in the fluff, Power Armor must have some sort of high resistance to heat and acids, as the first Terminator suits were built to work inside of inactive plasma reactor units, so they had to be able to stand up to the toxic enviroments inside. Power armor should at least be some lesser magnitude of that protection.

yup, they are made out of the same material.

And as for why plasma goes through TDA, they still get a 5+ invuln against it and there is a big difference between a plasma reactor and a bolt of plasma. a Reactor is more like a flamer then a plasma bolt.

Grey Templar wrote:
PA is completely sealed(it can operate in a vaccum) so the flamer won't penetrate.

How does the Flesh-eater Virus get through?

It can get through the air filters even if they are sealed because it is small enough. Perhaps the filters are even made with organic material that the virus can eat through.

they seem to flip flop on if it is sealed. I tend to say it is, which kills the whole virus, unless it can eat though the casing or something.

As I said above, I do not think flamers could burn then( except the whole bunch who go helmless...) but it could cook them, they will have a threshold and if it works more like naplame I think givin time it'll ovr load the suits cooling system.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:
PA is completely sealed(it can operate in a vaccum) so the flamer won't penetrate.

How does the Flesh-eater Virus get through?

iirc in Galaxy in Flames that they mixed in a compound that makes it slightly corrosive meaning it can eat into the weaker sections of the suit and break the seal.

A Marine's armour is sealed, but the sealed system can only sustain them for so long, eventually the virus'll get in when the life support fails..

ie. Angels of Darkness (I think that's the title, DA book), they chose to suicide with melta bombs rather than wait for their systems to fail.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:
PA is completely sealed(it can operate in a vaccum) so the flamer won't penetrate.

How does the Flesh-eater Virus get through?

It doesn't. Marines are in no short term danger of virus weapons.

I think some folks are thinking of the extermnus virus which is a whole other level ol nasty.

jonolikespie wrote:
iirc in Galaxy in Flames that they mixed in a compound that makes it slightly corrosive meaning it can eat into the weaker sections of the suit and break the seal.

Ah, this would make sense, thanks.

PA during the Heresy was also inferior to modern suits of PA(PA is improving with each mark) so it would have been easier to eat through.

Dreadnoughts and Titans are sealed/can be sealed to survive the Virus. The one dreadnought died only because his sarcophagous had been cracked.

Hunterindarkness wrote:I think some folks are thinking of the extermnus virus which is a whole other level ol nasty.

There is not such a thing as "the Exterminatus virus". Exterminatus is an action/declaration; the Flesh Eater Virus is one such weapon which can be classed as an "Exterminatus weapon".

There is the Life-Eater virus, which is one kind of Virus bomb and the effects of which tend to vary depending on which author you read. Some people treat it as an actual bio weapon, wheras other authors seem to ascribe some bizarre properties.

I like the 'walking tank' marines.
I have to admit, one of my fave figures is the really old model of a marine om early model terminator armour. Do a modern range of these please

It doesn't look like he has a neck....

So ONE good point! No one can slash your neck! Amazing throat protection!

The body proportions of a Marine give them very stubby necks.

Kanluwen wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:I think some folks are thinking of the extermnus virus which is a whole other level ol nasty.

There is not such a thing as "the Exterminatus virus". Exterminatus is an action/declaration; the Flesh Eater Virus is one such weapon which can be classed as an "Exterminatus weapon".

Eh more or less the same thing. If it can do that, that pretty much is what it is.

Daedricbob wrote:I like the 'walking tank' marines.
I have to admit, one of my fave figures is the really old model of a marine om early model terminator armour. Do a modern range of these please

that is just, ugh. Just awful man. To me anyhow,except the legs, I like the Legs

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:I think some folks are thinking of the extermnus virus which is a whole other level ol nasty.

There is not such a thing as "the Exterminatus virus". Exterminatus is an action/declaration; the Flesh Eater Virus is one such weapon which can be classed as an "Exterminatus weapon".

Eh more or less the same thing. If it can do that, that pretty much is what it is.

No, it's not "more or less the same thing".

One thing is a "classification", which covers many various things: in this case that classification is Exterminatus weapons.
"Exterminatus weapons" is an obscenely broad category. It can range from planet-cracking torpedoes on one end of the spectrum, to things like the Life-Eater Virus.

"Exterminatus" proper can also include massive amounts of standard weapons fire leveling everything on the planet.

No no, they're pretty much the same thing to everyone who isn''t trying to be pedantic about it. Your tone makes it sound like your personal honor is at stake or something, lol. xP