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**Sovereign6**

I feel like I'm the only one who absolutely loves the shoulder pauldrons. :[

**Durza**

Cameron Baum wrote:
Veteran Sergeant wrote:
slick_jimmy wrote:The trick with Space Marine armor is that it is walking tank armor housing a 9 foot tall 350 lb killing machine

Do you know how fething absurdly skinny you'd be if you weight 350 lbs at 9 feet tall? And second, Space Marines are only 7-7.5 feet tall, not 9. That's just jibberish from Black Library authors trying to make the Marines seem more exciting sounding. But a 9 foot Space Marine would probably weight like 600-700 pounds, outside his armor. Maybe more. You have to remember that increasing along with height is the size and density of the bone structure designed to support all that weight.

I know some mouth-breather will throw a fit about rule of cool, but honestly, the larger they get past 7-7.5 feet, the less useful and less efficient they are. They become too big and too heavy to be supported by structures designed for regular humans, they become too tall and too wide to fit in a lot of passage ways or doors, etc. Since there are a gazillion regular humans and 1 million Marines, you guess what the vast majority of structures are sized for.

Then again, I guess this is also the universe where super-heavy tanks and titans are plausible and wouldn't require absurdly careful planning to ensure the ground composition was sturdy enough to bear their weight.

Here is a fun question... how well would SM be against the Clone Troopers from Star Wars? They may lack the power armour, but my money would be on the Clone Troopers...

Space Marines seem somewhat over-hyped to me. One reason why I don't like them.

The Space Marines would decimate Clone Troopers. Clone Troopers would be about as good as well trained Guardsmen. Space Marines are on a whole different level, armour wise, equipment wise and training wise. Aaaaand now I've answered a 40k vs Star Wars question.

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Hunterindarkness wrote:Better then most , for sure. Still it has those nagging shoulder pad issues of the rest. Where does that Image come from?

I'm not sure if it's the original source, but the image you were asking about appears in the Dornian Heresy Ultramarines section.

**blazinpsycho&typhooni**

Cameron Baum wrote:
Veteran Sergeant wrote:
slick_jimmy wrote:The trick with Space Marine armor is that it is walking tank armor housing a 9 foot tall 350 lb killing machine

Do you know how fething absurdly skinny you'd be if you weight 350 lbs at 9 feet tall? And second, Space Marines are only 7-7.5 feet tall, not 9. That's just jibberish from Black Library authors trying to make the Marines seem more exciting sounding. But a 9 foot Space Marine would probably weight like 600-700 pounds, outside his armor. Maybe more. You have to remember that increasing along with height is the size and density of the bone structure designed to support all that weight.

I know some mouth-breather will throw a fit about rule of cool, but honestly, the larger they get past 7-7.5 feet, the less useful and less efficient they are. They become too big and too heavy to be supported by structures designed for regular humans, they become too tall and too wide to fit in a lot of passage ways or doors, etc. Since there are a gazillion regular humans and 1 million Marines, you guess what the vast majority of structures are sized for.

Then again, I guess this is also the universe where super-heavy tanks and titans are plausible and wouldn't require absurdly careful planning to ensure the ground composition was sturdy enough to bear their weight.

Here is a fun question... how well would SM be against the Clone Troopers from Star Wars? They may lack the power armour, but my money would be on the Clone Troopers...

Space Marines seem somewhat over-hyped to me. One reason why I don't like them.

Please don't start this...

A clone trooper is a clone of a mandalorian, with a few genetic changes (ie grow faster, learn faster, obey orders to the letter), but other than that, they're mandalorians. Mandalorians are a warrior people, naturally strong and have amazing martial prowress... but that's about it.. They're natural, they haven't tinkered with their genes, they don't have super organs, their blood doesn't clot at amazing speeds and so on and so forth.

It's not just the armour they lack but the whole shebang that makes a SM a SPHEZ MARINEZ....

Personally I like clone troopers, they're fun and well they look cool, but don't pit them against a SM otherwise they'll begin to look more like bantha fodder...

SM's at 9ft? I think we've had this discussion before... size isn't everything

, bigger is better, but it gets to the point where bigger is stupid... 7.5-8 ft is already pretty big. I mean I'm like 5'7, so there's a lot that's taller than me, but 9ft? Rather unproportionate.... I don't think they'd fit through ANY doorway....

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Sovereign6 wrote:I feel like I'm the only one who absolutely loves the shoulder pauldrons. :[

You're not alone

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Hunterindarkness wrote:As I was looking though the 40k ReBoot thread, one of the most common things I have seen seems to be a remake of the armor. I Agree it needs it bad, But how would you do it?

I have found two tries at this so far

Anyone know of any more? Which do you like better? How would you change those?

I like this one though... not really sphez marine-y, but I like the pic, SAVED!

**Veteran Sergeant**

If the Space Marine has a name, the clone troopers will never hit him. So the advantage is clearly in the Space Marine's favor.

That, and clone trooper armor is made of tissue paper. Oh, and Prequel Star Wars is Eldar level, tutu wearing poofy.

**OverwatchCNC**

Marines are definitely between 7 and 8 feet tall. Much broader than normal humans, and much taller too. How many 7 foot tall people do you see on a daily basis? 6 to 6'5 not uncommon but anything over 6'6 is rare let alone 7-8 feet. I think the 9foot confusion comes in when talking about the Primarchs. The Primarchs (Alpharius and Omegon excepted) are a good foot, or more in some cases, larger than a Space Marine. I think that's where the 9 foot tall rumor comes from at least/

**Fafnir**

I'm quite fond of this redesign, and would buy a fair few boxes worth of them, were models to be released in this style (with decent proportions for once too):

I find it to be a vast improvement to the Space Marine design, both aesthetically and functionally, while remaining faithful to the original look.

That said, I think the major issue with Space Marine armour is not the design itself, but the way they're represented in the models. The proportions are just so horrendous.

As for Space Marine height, 7 feet is plenty. I'm 6'2", and my roommate is 6'4", and he still appears to tower over me. A few inches is a lot, especially once you throw bulk into the equation.

**OverwatchCNC**

Fafnir wrote:I'm quite fond of this redesign, and would buy a fair few boxes worth of them, were models to be released in this style (with decent proportions for once too):

I find it to be a vast improvement to the Space Marine design, both aesthetically and functionally, while remaining faithful to the original look.

That said, I think the major issue with Space Marine armour is not the design itself, but the way they're represented in the models. The proportions are just so horrendous.

As for Space Marine height, 7 feet is plenty. I'm 6'2", and my roommate is 6'4", and he still appears to tower over me. A few inches is a lot, especially once you throw bulk into the equation.

Looks like Gears of War Marine to me. Hooray for Captain Marcus Fenix from the COG Marine Chapter. Also looks a bit like Warjack Marines.

**Fafnir**

Considering the great disdain I have for Gears of War, especially its horrid character design, I'd have to disagree.

The shoulders themselves are smaller than normal Astartes powered armour (the marine could believably look to their side, for example), and everything on a whole looks like it can actually move to a more realistic degree. Furthermore, the above design eschews the Space Marine and Gears of War aesthetic of massively bulky bell-bottom leg armour in favour of a sleeker, more efficient appearance, while retaining the idea of functionality with a leg-shield that would be effective while kneeling.

**usmcmidn**

So does anyone know of some sites that sell shoulder pads for Space Marines but a bit smaller or "cooler" ?

**Andrew1975**

The shoulder pads and large shin guards actually makes sense much like a tank's glacis plate. They are armored more heavily where shots are likely to strike. The shoulder pads act like attached shields.

**Hunterindarkness**

Those are not attracted shields, but attached riot shields of such size not only can you not look to your sides, but can not lift your arms. I feel like they should be able to roll up in a great armored ball like a human armodilo.

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Fafnir wrote:I'm quite fond of this redesign, and would buy a fair few boxes worth of them, were models to be released in this style (with decent proportions for once too):

I find it to be a vast improvement to the Space Marine design, both aesthetically and functionally, while remaining faithful to the original look.

I agree, it still has two issues, that Single odd shin guard and those shoulders are still to large.

**Fafnir**

Space Marines are a product of the 80's. Massive shoulder pads are a given.

**Andrew1975**

Those are not attracted shields, but attached riot shields of such size not only can you not look to your sides, but can not lift your arms. I feel like they should be able to roll up in a great armored ball like a human armodilo.

They can lift their arms because it's power armor. Marines can see just fine, just like you can raise and lower your shoulders so can space marines. Plus you have to remember space marines have auto senses, they don't even see with their eyes its all direct fed data. What is stopping this guy from seeing over his shoulder?

**usmcmidn**

I found some cool alternative shoulder pads... A bit smaller but still gets the job done.

http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/images/Void%20Viridians/31914-02_Viridian_sprue.JPG

**Fafnir**

Andrew1975 wrote:
Those are not attracted shields, but attached riot shields of such size not only can you not look to your sides, but can not lift your arms. I feel like they should be able to roll up in a great armored ball like a human armodilo.

They can lift their arms because it's power armor. Marines can see just fine, just like you can raise and lower your shoulders so can space marines. Plus you have to remember space marines have auto senses, they don't even see with their eyes its all direct fed data. What is stopping this guy from seeing over his shoulder?

The problem is that the models look nothing like this.

**Andrew1975**

How do these guys have issues seeing over their shoulders

**iyammark**

why not just make your own armor whats so bad about introducing a brand new suit for the SM?

**Fafnir**

Andrew1975 wrote:How do these guys have issues seeing over their shoulders

I meant proportionally speaking.

**ifStatement**

I see no reason to redesign marine armour and most of the examples given in this thread seem like allusions to mundane conventional sci fi mise en scene which (minus the Tau) 40K manages to steer clear of. No thanks.

And the idea that they can't see over their shoulders is not evident on the models. It's only evident in the recent trend of marine artwork which for some reason has decided to give marines tiny heads.

**SagesStone**

The shoulders can move up and down anyway depending on how much defense is needed. The main issue with sight would be more be up to the "eyes", looking down without moving their head for example.

**ifStatement**

I see no issues with marines lifting their arms in those models.

**Ratius**

Dont mess with the classics is my rather myopic albeit passionate view.

**ObliviousBlueCaboose**

I do find it funny how the space marine cant see over his shoulder pads. It like he saying theres no point in looking anyway but straight ahead.

As for clone troppers, get that rubbish out of here. They fight using ranks. And cant hit the broadside of a barn. They only won due to the droids clustering up in ranks as well. It was like watching two neapolionic armies fight... With machineguns.

**Hunterindarkness**

You do notice in those models how the two men in the background are going to decapitate themselves as soon as they left those arms. Look at the trooper in white. somehow his right pad is almost gone, which the left pad rests on his neck.

**Sparks_Havelock**

Chap on the left is an Apothecary, not just a 'trooper in white'. His shoulder pad has rotated round - as he lifted and rotated the arm so has the pad moved with it. His left pad sits near to his helm but there is an obvious gap between them. The two at the rear could probably flap their arms up and down without coming near to hitting their heads with the pad rims.

**Pilau Rice**

If a Space Marine has an enemy behind him he isn't fighting right.

**SagesStone**

Heresy, his enemy is a coward as he avoids the gaze of the Emperor's fist.

**AegisGrimm**

If the pauldrons are attached at the top of the shoulder joint, like medieval armor, it's impossible to "chop your head off" by lifting your arms, unless somehow you are a mutant and your shoulder joints are too close to your head.

I fight in medieval plate-mail, and I cannot get my pauldrons to hit my own head even if I am doing pull-ups or basketball jump-shots in my armor, unless I tilt my head wayyy over to the side, or I use the set that has sword-catcher edges that stick up like on a Deathwatch/Grey Knight/Chaos marine's pad. Now THOSE are stupidly designed and would cut your head off.

At worst, Space Marines' large rounded pads would mean that because their helmet is also large, they could possibly bonk into the pauldron at about the ear-level. And because they are attached at the top of the shoulders/arms, anything other that lifting the arms straight out from the sides causes them to rotate back like on the apothecary/standard bearer. If anything, like on the actual models, you then have to worry about the pad connecting with the backpack vent.

**Flinty**

Pilau Rice wrote:If a Space Marine has an enemy behind him he isn't fighting right.

Marines are specialists in line breaking and surgical strikes behind enemy lines. Surely if they DON'T have an enemy behind them they are doing something wrong...

**Pilau Rice**

Flinty wrote:
Pilau Rice wrote:If a Space Marine has an enemy behind him he isn't fighting right.

Marines are specialists in line breaking and surgical strikes behind enemy lines. Surely if they DON'T have an enemy behind them they are doing something wrong...

No, it's like a Space Marine sandwich, they are the bread the Ham and Cheese is the enemy.

I'm hungry now, to the Kitchen!