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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 13:26:47
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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As I was looking though the 40k ReBoot thread, one of the most common things I have seen seems to be a remake of the armor. I Agree it needs it bad, But how would you do it?
I have found two tries at this so far
Anyone know of any more? Which do you like better? How would you change those?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 13:59:02
Subject: Re:Space Marine Armor
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Possessed Khorne Marine Covered in Spikes
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Other than the helmet, I prefer the second version. I feel it would look better with a MK2 or MK3 styled helmet. kinda like a medieval design for it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 14:11:10
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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That was my thought as well. I found number two solid, but the helm blows.
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Engine of War wrote:Duct Tape! the Ommnisiahs blessed bindings! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 14:23:33
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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I don't like either, if I'm honest. First one is too angular and the second just does not tell me it's a Marine. Looks more like a human in a suit than an Astartes.
The eight current marks do the job and very well, in my opinion. They convey the heavy, hulking muscular bulk of the Marine whilst still hinting towards grace & athleticism with the smooth curves across the body & limbs, and with the rounded shoulder pads.
Within those eight marks there is a lot of diversity - from the bulky 'Hrrrrr!' Mk II & Mk III, the graceful, although more angular (in places), Mk IV, the beauty that is the Mk V & the quirky appearance of the Mk VI. Mk VII & VIII I do find to be boring but I do like Mk IV & V. Mk I Thunder is just fugly.
If those marks were to be redesigned GW may well lose the visual identity of the Astartes. When you look at an image, such as this, for example;
You know instantly that this is a Space Marine, one of the Angels of Death, one of the sons of the Emperor. No second thoughts, no doubt about it, it's immediately identifiable. That it's a Sergeant from the Crimson Fists is by-the-by. Point is that you identify with the image of the Astartes instantly - it's as much a trademark as 'Warhammer 40,000' is. With people still eagerly buying Space Marines it appears that many people still like the visual appeal of the current designs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 14:24:43
Subject: Re:Space Marine Armor
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Lady of the Lake
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Perhaps they'd lend better to sort of a half visor.  Though it is sort of cliche... Also doesn't look like a wall of armour rampaging at you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 14:31:51
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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I wouldn't change it at all.
Nothing says "walking man tank" better than an Astartes in Power Armour.
They're supposed to be huge, imposing, intimidating, just by their sheer size. Having some super slim suit cut into mildly realistic plates and proportions makes them just another pointless cliche super solider.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 15:10:11
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Those "redesigns" are hideous. It looks like Blizzard's Terran Marines--and those are some of the worst designs I've ever seen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 15:16:57
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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The armor is not totally awful..but yeah those shoulder pads have to go. I would love to see it just once without those damned shoulder pads.
This one has an interesting vibe
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Engine of War wrote:Duct Tape! the Ommnisiahs blessed bindings! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 16:00:16
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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The trick with Space Marine armor is that it is walking tank armor housing a 9 foot tall 350 lb killing machine. Even scouts Carapace armor is "bulkier" than other equivalents due to the necessity for the armor to interact with the marines internal systems via the black carapace. Even the Tau, arguable the most tech advanced race in the game, have huge battle suits to incorporate the same amount of protection as Marine Power Armor. The problem with a massive redesign is that you would lose everything that makes power armor what it is. A big suit of armor that can stop an autocannon shell dead, or shrug off a withering hail of heavy bolter rounds.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 16:34:31
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Scouts don't have a Black Carapace, and carapace armor doesn't require it, as it's not powered, and a Scout receives his Black Carapace upon his graduation to full Battle Brother. It's the last of the implants.
Incidentally, 9 feet tall is the BL version of SM. They're only 7-8 feet tall, "by the book" (and the real-life scale drawing they have pictures of from the GW offices floating around on the net.). Me, I preferred them as 9 feet myself, but, eh, what ya gonna do, right?
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 16:37:03
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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The look of Space Marine Armor is very unique to Warhammer and a complete redesign could ruin that. Having said that, I would like to see more Mk8 Errant Armor marine models:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 16:41:33
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Psienesis wrote:Scouts don't have a Black Carapace, and carapace armor doesn't require it, as it's not powered, and a Scout receives his Black Carapace upon his graduation to full Battle Brother. It's the last of the implants.
Initiates/Aspirants aren't the only Scouts.
Veteran Astartes(read: Black Carapaced Astartes) in many Chapters will wear Scout Armor if they feel it fits the mission profile.
A pair of good examples are Telion and the Dark Angels' Scout Sergeant Naaman.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 16:44:24
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Jealous that Horus is Warmaster
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I'm a huge fan of maximus armor, and that one Mark XVI or whatever? Prometheus is it? That is cool looking armor.
I think if they went ahead and redid the entire marine line with that style of armor and moved forward with more of that (tac squad of that) I would go to ebay and find a discounted box set.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 17:00:51
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Veteran Astartes(read: Black Carapaced Astartes) in many Chapters will wear Scout Armor if they feel it fits the mission profile.
But that, then, is a Battle-Brother "dressing down" to Scout gear, not a Scout wearing Power Armor. If I remember correctly, Naaman was the Scout Company Sergeant, which makes him a Space Marine responsible for the training of Scouts. Of course, he's dead now, so w/e, but he was more than "just a Scout" if memory serves. Telion is in the same boat. He's a trainer of Scouts, not a Scout himself. While he might wear Scout armor, because the situation requires it, he's a veteran Battle-Brother, and can kit out in Astartes Power Armor should he need to.
A Veteran Astartes is, by definition, a full-on Space Marine.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 18:28:07
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
My secret fortress at the base of the volcano!
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All those designs look too anime to be Astartes. The IoM has some of the most advanced technology in the galaxy, manufactured by clumsy Ogryns with big fingers. Everything should look bulky, oversized, and imposing. The idea of the IoM is a technologically superstitious society. The Imperium doesn't understand technology enough to refine and streamline its appearance. If its bulky, who cares? All the IoM and Astartes want to know is if it can kill xenos and heretics.
That's why the IG has WWI-era tanks. That's why shoulder pads are xbox huge. That's why the Astartes look the way they do.
Giving them strealined, sexy, tech-utopia looking gear is the exact opposite of what should be done. You want sexy looking tech? Go play Tau.
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Emperor's Eagles (undergoing Chapter reorganization)
Caledonian 95th (undergoing regimental reorganization)
Thousands Sons (undergoing Warband re--- wait, are any of my 40K armies playable?) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 18:36:13
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Honestly I myself would like to see the armor, without the Gods Awful shoulder pads. The bell bottom legs could use a bit ol work as well, the the shoulder pads are the issue to me.
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Engine of War wrote:Duct Tape! the Ommnisiahs blessed bindings! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 18:57:32
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
My secret fortress at the base of the volcano!
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I wouldn't object to a reduction in shoulder pad size (though it seems to me that the pads are really only exaggerated in the artwork, rather than on the models themselves... or maybe I'm just so used to seeing them in plastic that they don't look off to me anymore...) on the basic Marine design. I don't think the legs need any alteration (think of all the weight they support... being wider at the bottom isnt a bad thing).
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Emperor's Eagles (undergoing Chapter reorganization)
Caledonian 95th (undergoing regimental reorganization)
Thousands Sons (undergoing Warband re--- wait, are any of my 40K armies playable?) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 19:05:34
Subject: Re:Space Marine Armor
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Here is a fun one I ran across, The armor is...umm to skinny and odd but I think the shoulder pads are a much better size.
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Engine of War wrote:Duct Tape! the Ommnisiahs blessed bindings! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 19:09:05
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If you want Master Chief play HALO. If you want Anime Mech suits, watch anime. This is 40k you're talking about, the Space Marine and his armor are as much an icon as the double headed aquilla or the trademark words "Warhammer 40,000". SM are supposed to look like a giant armored wall running at you full speed, they aren't supped to look like fey armored acrobats. If you want that play Tau or one of the Eldar.
All those suits look like they would fit better into the Tau or Eldar lines not with Space Marines.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 19:47:47
Subject: Re:Space Marine Armor
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MKVIII "Errant" is the best!
If not that, than some nice MKXVI would be nice!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 19:49:50
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Better then most , for sure. Still it has those nagging shoulder pad issues of the rest. Where does that Image come from?
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Engine of War wrote:Duct Tape! the Ommnisiahs blessed bindings! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 19:59:55
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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Kanluwen wrote:Those "redesigns" are hideous. It looks like Blizzard's Terran Marines--and those are some of the worst designs I've ever seen.
This. All the non- GW images in this thread are disgusting. A new version of armour, sure. But those guys just look weak.
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Codex: Bears.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 20:10:11
Subject: Re:Space Marine Armor
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Dakka Veteran
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Hunterindarkness wrote:Here is a fun one I ran across, The armor is...umm to skinny and odd but I think the shoulder pads are a much better size.
It's the arrows on the breasts that really pull the whole thing together though. Time to try and scrub that image from my brain.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 20:46:57
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Hunterindarkness wrote:As I was looking though the 40k ReBoot thread, one of the most common things I have seen seems to be a remake of the armor. I Agree it needs it bad, But how would you do it?
I have found two tries at this so far
Anyone know of any more? Which do you like better? How would you change those?
I personally like the second one. It is more in mine with the original SM from '87, thus has a logical progression from it. Armour like that would get me interested in SM, to be honest... Automatically Appended Next Post: Alpharius wrote:MKVIII "Errant" is the best!
If not that, than some nice MKXVI would be nice!
The helmet reminds me of Optimus Prime...
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That would be an ecumenical matter...
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As for the new paints, I find it interested the new 40k starter set is how to paint dark angles. Gives atleast some credit to the dark angles part of the rumored Dark Angles Vs. Chaos Starter set rumors. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 21:23:49
Subject: Re:Space Marine Armor
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No changes for Space Marine armor. The current look says "Take cover? Pfft! Forward!!"
I agree with the feelings that those "new looks" are more Tau, or IG not space marines.
I remember reading a story describing trench warfare between Ultramarines and Tyranids. A Termagaunt landed in a tench on a marine sgt's back and he threw himself flat on his back, rolled back and forth and crushed it. Space Marines should have huge bone structures and frames.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 21:27:36
Subject: Re:Space Marine Armor
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Phydox wrote:No changes for Space Marine armor. The current look says "Take cover? Pfft! Forward!!"
I agree with the feelings that those "new looks" are more Tau, or IG not space marines.
I remember reading a story describing trench warfare between Ultramarines and Tyranids. A Termagaunt landed in a tench on a marine sgt's back and he threw himself flat on his back, rolled back and forth and crushed it. Space Marines should have huge bone structures and frames.
Perhaps the new look should be more like Robocop?
*shrugs* To be faire, I'm not a big fan of the SM. If they looked like the 25th Anniversary model, I would be more interested...
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That would be an ecumenical matter...
GENERATION 9: The first time you see this, copy and paste it into your sig and add 1 to the number after generation. Consider it a social experiment.
Lockark wrote:Was almost excited, "fine cast void". Best colour ever. XP
As for the new paints, I find it interested the new 40k starter set is how to paint dark angles. Gives atleast some credit to the dark angles part of the rumored Dark Angles Vs. Chaos Starter set rumors. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 22:26:15
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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I don't think they need any changes at all. The current designs are a huge part of the 40K universe and they look the part.
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Driven away from WH40K by rules bloat and the expense of keeping up, now interested in smaller model count games and anything with nifty mechanics. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/14 22:32:42
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
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Besides it has been argued to death before if power armour proportions prevents it form actaully letting the marine move, rise his arms, close his legs, etc. But power armour is power armour, this is grimdark, when size does matter and GW has a crush with oversizeing weapons, armour, etc. If you take a look you will find lots of examples. Power armour is one of this, but without it, marines wouldn't be the monsters they are supposed to be in fluff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/15 00:23:45
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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slick_jimmy wrote:The trick with Space Marine armor is that it is walking tank armor housing a 9 foot tall 350 lb killing machine
Do you know how fething absurdly skinny you'd be if you weight 350 lbs at 9 feet tall? And second, Space Marines are only 7-7.5 feet tall, not 9. That's just jibberish from Black Library authors trying to make the Marines seem more exciting sounding. But a 9 foot Space Marine would probably weight like 600-700 pounds, outside his armor. Maybe more. You have to remember that increasing along with height is the size and density of the bone structure designed to support all that weight.
I know some mouth-breather will throw a fit about rule of cool, but honestly, the larger they get past 7-7.5 feet, the less useful and less efficient they are. They become too big and too heavy to be supported by structures designed for regular humans, they become too tall and too wide to fit in a lot of passage ways or doors, etc. Since there are a gazillion regular humans and 1 million Marines, you guess what the vast majority of structures are sized for.
Then again, I guess this is also the universe where super-heavy tanks and titans are plausible and wouldn't require absurdly careful planning to ensure the ground composition was sturdy enough to bear their weight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/15 00:43:31
Subject: Space Marine Armor
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:slick_jimmy wrote:The trick with Space Marine armor is that it is walking tank armor housing a 9 foot tall 350 lb killing machine
Do you know how fething absurdly skinny you'd be if you weight 350 lbs at 9 feet tall? And second, Space Marines are only 7-7.5 feet tall, not 9. That's just jibberish from Black Library authors trying to make the Marines seem more exciting sounding. But a 9 foot Space Marine would probably weight like 600-700 pounds, outside his armor. Maybe more. You have to remember that increasing along with height is the size and density of the bone structure designed to support all that weight.
I know some mouth-breather will throw a fit about rule of cool, but honestly, the larger they get past 7-7.5 feet, the less useful and less efficient they are. They become too big and too heavy to be supported by structures designed for regular humans, they become too tall and too wide to fit in a lot of passage ways or doors, etc. Since there are a gazillion regular humans and 1 million Marines, you guess what the vast majority of structures are sized for.
Then again, I guess this is also the universe where super-heavy tanks and titans are plausible and wouldn't require absurdly careful planning to ensure the ground composition was sturdy enough to bear their weight.
Here is a fun question... how well would SM be against the Clone Troopers from Star Wars? They may lack the power armour, but my money would be on the Clone Troopers...
Space Marines seem somewhat over-hyped to me. One reason why I don't like them.
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That would be an ecumenical matter...
GENERATION 9: The first time you see this, copy and paste it into your sig and add 1 to the number after generation. Consider it a social experiment.
Lockark wrote:Was almost excited, "fine cast void". Best colour ever. XP
As for the new paints, I find it interested the new 40k starter set is how to paint dark angles. Gives atleast some credit to the dark angles part of the rumored Dark Angles Vs. Chaos Starter set rumors. |
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