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I am not a mouth breather and I resent that accusation.

Furthermore, what makes 40k unique is that it's grimdark. Everything else it's stolen. Power armor is from Starship Troopers. So are Tyranids (though from a different name). Chaos is from Michael Moorcock. Titans are from Battle Tech/Mech Warrior. I could go on and on. If we took away the grimdark, 40k wouldn't have anything to make it unique (besides it's ludicrous cost).

Andrew1975 wrote:
You issues with the shoulders are purely aesthetic as the design makes sense based on fluff and partially in reality. If you look at the typical body armor worn today it only cover the top of the head and chest, and abdomen, really just the vitals. Great it someone is shooting at you and you are facing them. Now turn your body into a standard two armed shooting pose.....You are not really protected at all. Now I have seen where the military is testing ..........Giant shoulder pads that protect the flanks. The theory is that normally one of your shoulders is facing the enemy.

I love how the drawing has so much armor and yet the top of the head is completely exposed. I mean what kind of guy runs around in full armor without head protection, must be some kind of idiot, i mean you'd never see a space marine......well.....wait....ummm. Nevermind

Man the only reason those shoulder pads are that big is...wait for it....Aesthetics. That's right they are that size because it give you a nice big area to place unit logos and such on. No other reason. There is no reason, fluff or otherwise to limit movemnt and leave such a large surface like that. It is a hindrance more then a help. You can easily armor the area just as well in other ways.

As for the other pic..yeah that confused me as well. Armored like a tank, but lets just go ahead and not armor the top of the head...yeah great call right there.

Also, here's a whole thread full of everything unoriginal about 40k.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:THE SHOULDER PADS STOP HIM FROM MOVING HIS ARMS THAT HIGH.

To paraphrase a Star Wars character, since you seem so high on that garbage, ruined universe from Sell-out hack-"writer"/"director" George Lucas (lol):

Is it ruined? Having just looked carefully at all of the films, they do, admittedly, make sense. Particularly when you include EpIII scenes and stuff in the mix. TBH, the New Jedi Order period, with the Yuuzhan Vong War is my favourite time in it, mostly because you had no idea is they would survive, let alone win... Lucas is good at writing, good at producing, bad at directing. There is a lot missing in the films that you need to read the novels for to get a better understanding. Especially EpII.

Be glad I haven't done a comparison against the Sardaukar then... because I doubt there would be much contest.

SM smack of a rip-off of them any way. But then, there are a lot of amusing similarities to SF and other Genre stuff in 40K.

I'd comment more on SM armour, but I have to do it later.

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Andrew1975 wrote:
You issues with the shoulders are purely aesthetic as the design makes sense based on fluff and partially in reality. If you look at the typical body armor worn today it only cover the top of the head and chest, and abdomen, really just the vitals. Great it someone is shooting at you and you are facing them. Now turn your body into a standard two armed shooting pose.....You are not really protected at all. Now I have seen where the military is testing ..........Giant shoulder pads that protect the flanks. The theory is that normally one of your shoulders is facing the enemy.

I love how the drawing has so much armor and yet the top of the head is completely exposed. I mean what kind of guy runs around in full armor without head protection, must be some kind of idiot, i mean you'd never see a space marine......well.....wait....ummm. Nevermind

Man the only reason those shoulder pads are that big is...wait for it....Aesthetics. That's right they are that size because it give you a nice big area to place unit logos and such on. No other reason. There is no reason, fluff or otherwise to limit movemnt and leave such a large surface like that. It is a hindrance more then a help. You can easily armor the area just as well in other ways.

As for the other pic..yeah that confused me as well. Armored like a tank, but lets just go ahead and not armor the top of the head...yeah great call right there.

Here is the problem you are not seeing, Its not limiting, they have full range of movement. If it was pure asthetics why doesnt everyone have giant shoulder pads ala Warzone. Now those were shoulder pads, and most were useless.



I mean they dont even cover anything.

Cameron Baum wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:THE SHOULDER PADS STOP HIM FROM MOVING HIS ARMS THAT HIGH.

To paraphrase a Star Wars character, since you seem so high on that garbage, ruined universe from Sell-out hack-"writer"/"director" George Lucas (lol):

Is it ruined? Having just looked carefully at all of the films, they do, admittedly, make sense. Particularly when you include EpIII scenes and stuff in the mix. TBH, the New Jedi Order period, with the Yuuzhan Vong War is my favourite time in it, mostly because you had no idea is they would survive, let alone win... Lucas is good at writing, good at producing, bad at directing. There is a lot missing in the films that you need to read the novels for to get a better understanding. Especially EpII.

Be glad I haven't done a comparison against the Sardaukar then... because I doubt there would be much contest.

SM smack of a rip-off of them any way. But then, there are a lot of amusing similarities to SF and other Genre stuff in 40K.

I'd comment more on SM armour, but I have to do it later.

You should watch the RedLetterMedia reviews on the Star Wars Prequels. They'll change yer mind; they changed mine.

Andrew1975 wrote:



Here is the problem you are not seeing, Its not limiting, they have full range of movement. If it was pure asthetics why doesnt everyone have giant shoulder pads ala Warzone. Now those were shoulder pads, and most were useless.

And here is what you are not getting man, It can not move that way. It may be places and glued in that position but it could never rotate in that manor. It simply would not work. You are free to think they would, just as I am free to call BS on it.

The only thing wrong with Space marine Pauldrons are the stupid right angles at the bottom. Medieval armor plates are rounded for a reason, so that the limb moving back and forth under them doesn't catch on the armor. Having your arm bent up at the elbow past 90 degrees and then moving it along the bottom of the pad would be a real pain as it catches on the corner.

And here is what you are not getting man, It can not move that way. It may be places and glued in that position but it could never rotate in that manor. It simply would not work. You are free to think they would, just as I am free to call BS on it.

I don't know why not, as long as they are attached to the shoulder, rather than above the collarbone like Medieval armor. Then it would just rotate back in the opposite direction of the arm (if you are lifting an arm it to point straight ahead.)

Sure, SM armor is a bit too big and over-heroic sized I'll give you that, but pauldrons like the ones below are way huge on a normal sized person and still really aren't limiting at all, even when wielding two-handed weapons, and certainly not impeding in taking a helmet off. The thing with them, like Space marine armor, is that when you cross you arms over your chest, they simply come out from under the pauldrons. You can scratch your nose and the shoulder will barely even move, just hang there.

Sigh...Where is the power pack? SM, Unlike Knights, have this here massive backpack. Also both examples you just shown are only half as long down the arm as the Sm Pads.

They are simply smaller and do not have a back restriction then the same proportion on the SM armor. Number 1 would never work with a Sm (even if it is smaller then what they have now) because of the Power pack. Number two is a good size however

More variants and specialized armor would be nice.
Maybe bomb disposal marines, Or hazardous work marines.
Maybe more helmat variants.

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Maybe bomb disposal marines, Or hazardous work marines.

I'm fairly certain that any 'bomb' or 'hazardous material' that a Marine's suit couldn't handle on it's own would need something with an actual armor value to handle.

I like the first one more because it is bulkier and that is kinda like the SM theme is a big bulky model that will club you to death. I like how it is smooth but with sharp angles it is really clean. That being said I think the models will stay the way they are because I believe that will be a little to complex to mold into plastic.

infinite_array wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Maybe bomb disposal marines, Or hazardous work marines.

I'm fairly certain that any 'bomb' or 'hazardous material' that a Marine's suit couldn't handle on it's own would need something with an actual armor value to handle.

Wasn't terminator armor originally based on plasma engine maintenance suits? Yeah you don't get much more hard core than that.

The first thing I said when I first saw a Space Marine was "What the hell is with that goofy-ass armor? Am I supposed to take these guys seriously or is this one of those dopey games for young children?"... And that was back at the dawn of 2nd Ed. Sadly, nothing has changed. Since then, every race has had significant and vast improvements in the way of armor design, except Space Marines.

Changing Space Marine armor would indeed change the game... Just like changing Dark Eldar armor changed the game. I don't understand what the hold-up is.

Maybe bomb disposal marines, Or hazardous work marines

They call that gear "Tactical Dreadnought Armor" or, to the world at large, "Terminator Honors".

DiRTWaL wrote:I like the first one more because it is bulkier and that is kinda like the SM theme is a big bulky model that will club you to death. I like how it is smooth but with sharp angles it is really clean. That being said I think the models will stay the way they are because I believe that will be a little to complex to mold into plastic.

First off thank you for commenting on the topic. I do not think they will change, that was not the point of the thread. The point was if "you" could change them how would you do so. And trust me man, they could so make it in plastic, have you seen what they do for other units? Or what other games mold? The designs are not to complex by a mile.

I like the armour the way it is spank you very much, leave your Master Chief and Vanquish armour wannabe sorts in their own dimensions please.

If anything Pauldrons are not large enough, they should be big enough to contain the Space Marines pack lunch, diary, an innocent bystander should they be at risk and be fully removable so that the Space Marine can use them as a house if they are expecting to it rain.

As they are the size of caddy trunks, I think they are a large enough.

A total overhaul of the poster children for the game. Its not going to happen, so let's not belabor this topic too much?

Although I believe they could rework some aspects of the appearance of Space Marines, it would have to be a gradual process that would have to always at least stick to the core concepts of the Space Marine design (ie, walking tank).

That said, some changes would certainly be welcomed if they were well implemented. For example, making Terminator armour look like it was physically possible to wear would be a start.

Hunterindarkness wrote:As they are the size of caddy trunks, I think they are a large enough.

If they were larger, and had wheels, they could replace Rhinos - actually they could call them Turtles

Pilau Rice wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:As they are the size of caddy trunks, I think they are a large enough.

If they were larger, and had wheels, they could replace Rhinos - actually they could call them Turtles

I am pretty sure they are big enough now to roll into a giant armored ball.


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Fafnir wrote:Although I believe they could rework some aspects of the appearance of Space Marines, it would have to be a gradual process that would have to always at least stick to the core concepts of the Space Marine design (ie, walking tank).

That said, some changes would certainly be welcomed if they were well implemented. For example, making Terminator armour look like it was physically possible to wear would be a start.

smaller shoulder pads would be such a step.

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:As they are the size of caddy trunks, I think they are a large enough.

If they were larger, and had wheels, they could replace Rhinos - actually they could call them Turtles

I am pretty sure they are big enough now to roll into a giant armored ball.

Two Space Marines combine to form a football for Warhound Titans.

Epic

Pilau Rice wrote:

Two Space Marines combine to form a football for Warhound Titans.

Epic

So that is why the feaking pads are so big! The secret is out!


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Here is a new one I found. The image is a bit to busy in places and is a robot(see knees and lower torso) but, I like it and think it has pretty good shoulder pads. Over all I posted it as it has a very SM look

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:

Two Space Marines combine to form a football for Warhound Titans.

Epic

So that is why the feaking pads are so big! The secret is out!


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Here is a new one I found. The image is a bit to busy in places and is a robot(see knees and lower torso) but, I like it and think it has pretty good shoulder pads. Over all I posted it as it has a very SM look

Nice Bioroid



And look how bulky the actual arm armor has to be because he does not have shoulder pads that he can use to. Again the giant shoulder pads are like the glasius plates on a tank, super heavily armored in the places most likely to get hit while letting the rest have less armor saves weight over all.

This guy really cant turn his head at all.

The arm armor in the one I posted is no larger the the SM armor, he simply lacks the massive pads( although his are not small ) the neck then yeah, but if you look that is because of the neck/back armor not shoulder armor.


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And for added fun, with a friend.

his forearms are massive and even his arms are thicker compared to a marines. They need to be to offer protection. The problem is he appears to have the same level of protection everywhere, instead of thinner in some areas and heavier where it counts.

Eh his forearms are smaller then some shown on the SM armors( Go back and look at some of the Images on page One and two). His upper arms are no thicker either. The only real diffidence is he lacks the over large, binding shields on his shoulders. Those things do not add protection, they are there to have big honking unit insignia promptly displayed and nothing more. They are silly and hurt far more then they would help. You can disagree, but I will not see them as anything more then a needless bit of silly that harms the look far more then it could ever help.

Hunterindarkness wrote:The arm armor in the one I posted is no larger the the SM armor, he simply lacks the massive pads( although his are not small ) the neck then yeah, but if you look that is because of the neck/back armor not shoulder armor.


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I simply had to do this.

This armour strike me as 40k Space Marine power armour in a universe without the Horus Heresy.

Warmaster Horus leads his Sons of Horus clad in the new MKXXIII against the Eldar remnants or some other Iterator propaganda

When I saw that armor above, I thought "Starcraft Marine!" not "Warhammer Space Marine!"