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Considering the poster I replied to has been making quite a few threads arguing the "technical" aspects of 40k--"being pedantic" is a bit of a luxury here in this thread.
I can not take someone's statements remotely serious when they are getting upset about the "science of 40k" in a thread complaining about the Imperial Guard's tanks--and then they shrug it off as "eh close enough" when they're corrected on something.
I would agree with you if the point of contention wasn't something as minimal as a classification/grammar error... which it is, lol. Saying "the exterminatus virus" is the short-hand version of saying "the virus Horus used to perform exterminatus on Istvaan". I'm pretty sure we all know what the point he was trying to convey was, so it just seems like nitpicking to me, honestly. It'd be like me saying "the Hiroshima bomb" and someone jumping on me and saying that there's no such thing as a "Hiroshima bomb". Obviously, by "hiroshima bomb" I'm referring to the nuclear bomb America dropped on Hiroshima, lol.
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Exterminatus is a process. Life-eater can make it happen.
Travel is a process. Cars can make it happen.
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life.
Hunterindarkness wrote:Yeah man a virus that pulls an Exterminatus is an Exterminatus virus. What else do you call it ?
Guy one: "Can you pull out Exterminatus type 3 virus weapon ?"
Guy 2: " The Exterminatus virus right?"
Guy 1: We've got four different types of virus aboard we can unleash under an Exterminatus order - we want number 3. Not 5, 6 or 9.
There isn't just one virus or one type of warhead used during Exterminatus - there are differing payloads with differing results. Therefore, when loading & preparing the weapons, they would be -very- specific as to which payload is to be used.
Be like going into a WW2 tank fight with your tanks cannon loaded with HE instead of AP - still cannon ammunition isn't it?
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LORD_PANTERA wrote:My personal opinion on this thread: If different types of power armor could be thrown into the mixI would suggest maybe something along the lines of Fallout-based Power Armor like this:
I would also like to add maybe some of this or other suits that could be used by Stormtroppers or Kaskrins. Just suggestions
Please God no...
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Hunterindarkness wrote: I am not gonna argue semantics . Call it what ya wish, if it pulls off an Exterminatus, then Exterminatus virus is a good enough name for me.
Soooooo torpedoes are viruses..... I'm just messing with you...
But slightly back on topic, I doubt that many things can survive an exterminatus (virus or torpedoes) unless they come prepared. Marine armour can last for a while against the virus but even on istvaan they needed bunkers. Course armour has come a long way, but like I mentioned before, Iife support isn't infinite... and the virus lasts pretty long
All in how nasty it is but yeah, the armor has weak points, all armor does. Seals, joints or the like. If something is nasty enough to eat flesh and maybe corrode some metals , then yeah they are screwed.
Over all most base type of virus or bio-weapons would be useless to use on them with an undamaged suit and a sealed helm. I know some books may say otherwise, but That is a bit silly don't ya think.
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Fafnir wrote: Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
Somewhere in the Warp, with a psychotic dreadnaught and an overzealous sorcerer to deal with...
I'd also like to point out that marine armour, whilst miles better than flak armour, is still puncturable. I know nobody has fallen into the trap of saying they're indestructable because of said armour, but I would like to say that a rifle (sniper) shot will still take a marine's head off (DOW2). Even then, hack-and-slash weaponry like chainswords can tear through power armour with a little effort.
Hunterindarkness wrote:
And I must ask. Has anyone seen a SM mini or know of a pic of one without the massive pads?
Delving back onto the subject of PAULDRONS, build a SM, leave off the PAULDRONS.
Sure they look rather stupid, but they're loyalists. At least Chaos gets imaginative with what they clamp onto their shoulders...
"We are the Knights Temporal, scum, we have cleansed entire worlds of your filthy cults and liberated many minds from their sway towards the Endarkened Powers..."
"Oh? Ever seen a dreadnaught rip a Trygon's head off? Ever seen a chaplain scream someone to death? Ever seen as many Raptors baying for Imperialist blood? We are the Spirits of Cyron, and the only pleas for death will be your own!"
Neophiles94 wrote:I'd also like to point out that marine armour, whilst miles better than flak armour, is still puncturable. I know nobody has fallen into the trap of saying they're indestructable because of said armour, but I would like to say that a rifle (sniper) shot will still take a marine's head off (DOW2). Even then, hack-and-slash weaponry like chainswords can tear through power armour with a little effort.
Eh, a computer game is hardly a good way to judge the background. Question is, what sort of precision rifle are we talking about? A Longlas? A Stalker bolter? A solid-slug rifle? The Stalker is a slightly more precise bolter which fires the same ammunition as a regular boltgun. A Longlas is potentially able to punch through ceramite power armour, but that would most likely only happen after the marksman had overloaded the cell to give off one or two highly powerful shots, which will heavily degrade the lenses & the barrel, but that's by the by. Solid slug rifles, such as the common 'Hunting rifle', might go through Flak but because the bullet is similar to those used by Stubba & Auto weapons, it'd most likely just bounce off of a Marine's power armour.
If we do go by game terms, as you brought up DoW2, in the TT Codices, 'Sniper Rifles' are AP6 - that's not even enough to go through Flak!
Chain weapons do not go through power armour armour with 'little effort'. They have a very tough time against ceramite power armour, it's generally the phenomenal strength of the Astartes behind it that force it through the armour* - ceramite is an incredibly tough and durable material, but quite heavy. Hence why the suits are powered - the lightest, MkIV, weighed in at 190lbs. The others are 200lbs+. That's heavier than I am at 179lbs. Imagine just how much protection that armour grants! The image of Astartes wading through small-arms fire with it pattering off them like rain is well-founded, I think. Power swords are another matter entirely - with the energy field that surrounds these weapons, upon activation, they make all armour essentially useless, but such weapons are rare & few and far between.
*They're big fat weapons with big fat teeth. That doesn't bode well for armour penetration. It's like the katana - good for going through thin or light armours and flesh but against armour its fat blade really struggles as it forces a gap with the edge and then the rest of the weapon has to try and force itself through that gap - like forcing an obese person through a thin doorway.
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Heh, guys if I had SM and had seen them before adding the pads you think I would have asked what they looked like without them?
Anyhow some one in the painting forum was nice enough to post a pic without them and someone else pointed out someone who had made a SW themed SM army without the massive pads.
Looked so much better to me. I was warned however the heads might be to big.
Engine of War wrote:Duct Tape! the Ommnisiahs blessed bindings!
I've always liked this. Isn't it interesting how the Military is now moving in this direction?
As an Ex-Military Officer some jobs were really unsuitable for troops and regularly resulted in injury usually heavy lifting jobs (Heavy Ordance reloading like 155mm Shells or loading weapon on Helicopters and Aircraft). I don't think Troops will get them, but specialists at Airfields or Logistics troops or Heavy support troops might carrying 120mm Mortars and ammunition easily around.
This bit of kit is very interesting...
Not quite power armour, but the dexterity and the augmentation/multiplying of human strength is very interesting.
On Topic; I would say that TDA should look like this...
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Collecting Forge World 30k????? If you prefix any Thread Subject line on 30k or Pre-heresy or Horus Heresy with [30K] we can convince LEGO and the Admin team to create a 30K mini board if we can show there is enough interest!
Found it on DeviantART a few weeks back and copied to my desktop, I have been after inspiration for Iron Hands Morlock terminators (both Pre-Heresy and 40k ones).
The Torso, to Shoulders to Arm's look quite good and more believable than a normal Terminator. His cloven hoofs and short backwards legs are meh, but I like the aesthetic. Imagining him with an Assault Cannon, I also like the Powerfist look of his left hand.
I think an AD-MECH force would be ripe for this, Tech-Guard, with lower level skitarii as troops and Tech-Guard Praetorian type modified terminators .
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Collecting Forge World 30k????? If you prefix any Thread Subject line on 30k or Pre-heresy or Horus Heresy with [30K] we can convince LEGO and the Admin team to create a 30K mini board if we can show there is enough interest!
Not really, no. They are not as large in proportion as the current ones for a SM, believe it or not.. They also do not hang the same way and while they would be restrictive ( as other parts of the suit is) I am ok with that as something like heavy assault armor such as a terminator. Its bulky slow and over armored, giving up agility and movement for extra armor.
I should note: I would cut them down on the top there a bit , if it were up to me.
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Engine of War wrote:Duct Tape! the Ommnisiahs blessed bindings!
First off, it would have to be one hell of a harpoon to penetrate the ceramite and then you are assuming the marine can't get up once he's down. He would grab the chain(because a rope would just snap) and dig his heels into the ground and your fast, speedy, light, vehicle suddenly finds itself attached to a half ton monster with no way of escaping it.
yes, the servos can fail. however you are talking about something that is highly unlikely. PA is the culmination of thousands and thousands of years of technological invention. The systems incorperated to protect the internal workings will be unbelievably complex.
And if the suit does lose power the marine isn't helpless. He is just slowed similer to how a medieval knight would be with unpowered armor. Its not like the suit freezes up and he can't move anymore.
The miniatures arn't of a proper scale and artwork is done as, well, artwork. The proportions will be slightly different IRL. and Pauldrons can be quite big without interfering with your movements(especially if they are powered)
Yes, a Harpoon. With enough force, it can penetrate. It will have a barbed end, causing damage as you pull it out, if you can. Also, if you think about it, to grab the harpoon means not grabbing your weapon, so you have to make yourself defenceless to try and deal with it. And you seem to forget that the flyer will have power and thrust, thus meaning that the Marine is being tugged hard. Also, I question your half tonne weight. If that is so, and it loses power, then you have a guy trying to haul him self around in a half tonne suit. That makes no sense to me. Who is inside? The Incredible Hulk?
Inconsistent argument...
That would be an ecumenical matter...
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Lockark wrote:Was almost excited, "fine cast void". Best colour ever. XP
As for the new paints, I find it interested the new 40k starter set is how to paint dark angles. Gives atleast some credit to the dark angles part of the rumored Dark Angles Vs. Chaos Starter set rumors.
Cameron Baum wrote:Yes, a Harpoon. With enough force, it can penetrate. It will have a barbed end, causing damage as you pull it out, if you can. Also, if you think about it, to grab the harpoon means not grabbing your weapon, so you have to make yourself defenceless to try and deal with it. And you seem to forget that the flyer will have power and thrust, thus meaning that the Marine is being tugged hard. Also, I question your half tonne weight. If that is so, and it loses power, then you have a guy trying to haul him self around in a half tonne suit. That makes no sense to me. Who is inside? The Incredible Hulk?
Inconsistent argument...
A harpoon would almost always glance off the rounded curves of power armour.
Further, power armour is so called because it is powered. It contains self moving motors which not only take the weight of the armour itself, but also add to the wearers strength and speed.
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Cameron Baum wrote:Also, if you think about it, to grab the harpoon means not grabbing your weapon, so you have to make yourself defenceless to try and deal with it.
Marines have two hands and are more than capable of wielding their bolters with just one hand - if an Astartes can crush a mans head with one hand, with ease outside of their armour, I'm sure they'd find firing a bolter weighing in at 7kg+ with just one hand ridiculously easy. So, in this example, they wouldn't have a problem grabbing a harpoon with one hand, using their colossal strength to rip it from their armour & still use their boltgun to fight back. With the various implants Astartes have, any damage caused by the barbs of a harpoon would be nullified as their wounds clot & start healing almost immediately.
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I'm just messing with you...
