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Cautiously reopening this, there will be little tolerance for rule breaking in this thread from here on in. Be polite and dont post spam are easy enough rules to follow, please do so.

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 gorgon wrote:
grahamdbailey wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Even Valrak's had enough:



When someone makes an open 'letter', why can't they just do that, rather than a rambling, plodding monologue that's too bloody long and painful to listen to?
Even a transcript in the comments so I can spend a lot lees time getting to their point.


I dunno man. That's Valrak we're talking about. THE Valrak. That video is surely a clarion call that will rally DOZENS of supporters worldwide.


I mean, he's got 140k subscribers apparently. And not that I watch the guy, but he's got a reputation of being a GW sycophant. You can't deny that "dozens" is extreme hyperbole.

I don't get why in this forum and elsewhere, there's this belief that nobody goes beyond the surface level of the hobby. Yeah, the vast majority of 40k players don't go on forums, but they certainly go on youtube and reddit and probably peruse 40k content from time to time. If they're perusing, they'll discover this and have an opinion. It's not that far-fetched or rare.
   
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 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

I mean, he's got 140k subscribers apparently. And not that I watch the guy, but he's got a reputation of being a GW sycophant. You can't deny that "dozens" is extreme hyperbole.

I don't get why in this forum and elsewhere, there's this belief that nobody goes beyond the surface level of the hobby. Yeah, the vast majority of 40k players don't go on forums, but they certainly go on youtube and reddit and probably peruse 40k content from time to time. If they're perusing, they'll discover this and have an opinion. It's not that far-fetched or rare.


Easier to undermine your opponents argument by trivializing it.


 
   
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Youtube people with a combined subscriber base well into the millions have made videos in the last few days condemning GW's practices, both salary and IP. That's relevant, and you can bet GW will have noticed, no matter how much that upsets its ardent defenders here and elsewhere.

Expect some sort of nonsense PR statement from GW in the next couple days that carefully avoids admitting any responsibility for anything and that portrays whatever bone they are throwing people - probably some minor raises for staff and a commit-free statement that they didn't intend to squelch the fan youtube community - as some great contribution to world peace.
   
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Just as an aside, for someone like myself who never even heard of this guy before, is the 6 month gap in video uploads from this Text/talk guy normal?

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 nels1031 wrote:
Just as an aside, for someone like myself who never even heard of this guy before, is the 6 month gap in video uploads from this Text/talk guy normal?



That’s pretty normal for smaller content creators, especially animated or edit-heavy ones.

   
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 Sim-Life wrote:
Easier to undermine your opponents argument by trivializing it.
Precicsely. I mean, I don't watch Valrak's stuff, but I know he exists. He's just one of the dozens and dozens of channels out there, and combined there are a lot of getting an inordinate amount of views. This topic even showed up in a dedicated Auspex Tactics video, and he pretty much just sticks to examining Codex entries.

It's being noticed - everywhere - and saying "Well, I guess all 10 of his fans will rally around him!" is not only dishonest, but frankly incredibly rude and dismissive.

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grahamdbailey wrote:

When someone makes an open 'letter', why can't they just do that, rather than a rambling, plodding monologue that's too bloody long and painful to listen to?
Even a transcript in the comments so I can spend a lot lees time getting to their point.


That's because a Youtube video is better ranked when it's at least 10 minutes long rather than 5 minutes. It has an importance about gathering more viewers and thus being more monetizable.

Reactions videos to whatever buzzs in the news is also pretty common on Youtube. Creators know that and take advantage of it.


About the consequences of this said buzz...we'll see in the future if GW decides to contact the concerned creators or not (since Valrak cites the TTS channel in his video) or updates their guidelines again.

Otherwise...Valrak's video takes a lot of shortcuts you can see on this topic as well.
   
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Well I am not the biggest name here on Dakkadakka, but I think sometimes you need to step up.

Alfabusa was one the reason I got into 40k. I like their light hearted style and got me into the lore, since I am still more of a Warhammer Fantasy fan.

Guys weed need to take action, in a way that Games Worshop notices. We need to move, because, if we dont draw a line, then what will happen next? Will take down DakkaDakka, because its an Ork special rule? I dont know the why did the Roundtable of Bretonnia ( https://web.archive.org/web/20210127131319/http://www.roundtable-bretonnia.org/ ), but they did mention, that because of legal reasons. Who is next then?

I watched a couple of videos about the topic and Wargamer Fritz said that the next possible target for GW will be those people, who create Battreps, Lorechannels with Patreon, because thats a direct contender to Warhammer+.

So what we can do?

Well I guess the best answer is given by an australian guy name Macca, who runs the Outer Circle:




Watch and act as you like. I know I will do my best to spread his idea.

   
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 frankelee wrote:


I never watched any of these 40K cartoons, and you never really hear about them in outside discussions, so it's hard to gauge just how big a part of the overall Warhammer community is being enraged right now.


The only 40K animation I fell in love with (Helsreach), had it's creator join GW and is now making a movie, so I'm pretty excited. I never heard about Emperor text to speech until really obnoxious folks at my LGS kept going on about it, which really turned me off the whole thing. Same folks who come to the store just to argue and never buy anything. So, I'd say I'm not sad to see it go lol. If those folks stop coming to the store, it'll be a better place.

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 herjan1987 wrote:
Well I am not the biggest name here on Dakkadakka, but I think sometimes you need to step up.

Alfabusa was one the reason I got into 40k. I like their light hearted style and got me into the lore, since I am still more of a Warhammer Fantasy fan.

Guys weed need to take action, in a way that Games Worshop notices. We need to move, because, if we dont draw a line, then what will happen next? Will take down DakkaDakka, because its an Ork special rule? I dont know the why did the Roundtable of Bretonnia ( https://web.archive.org/web/20210127131319/http://www.roundtable-bretonnia.org/ ), but they did mention, that because of legal reasons. Who is next then?

I watched a couple of videos about the topic and Wargamer Fritz said that the next possible target for GW will be those people, who create Battreps, Lorechannels with Patreon, because thats a direct contender to Warhammer+.

So what we can do?

Well I guess the best answer is given by an australian guy name Macca, who runs the Outer Circle:




Watch and act as you like. I know I will do my best to spread his idea.


For those of us with no interest in sitting through over 16 minutes of this guy going on, any chance of an elevator pitch summary?
   
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 Chairman Aeon wrote:
Coat tail rider worried about coat owner kicking him off. Tune in next week when the board about GW games stands up for recasters and yells how dare GW try to stop them spreading Warhammer!

Fan videos/parodies are 'coat tail riding' now huh.

 herjan1987 wrote:
Well I guess the best answer is given by an australian guy name Macca, who runs the Outer Circle:

Lol, Outer Circle, the Aussy who complains about prices every other video but won't stop buying Forge World at full price and wonder why they keep doing it. He usually raises good points, but every point he makes is undermined by people like him being exactly the reason GW have no need to change anything that's working fine for their bottom line. It's like WinterSEO going on his big "You are Warhammer!" rant whilst telling people to keep buying from GW.

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 jaredb wrote:
So, I'd say I'm not sad to see it go lol.


The channel "doesn't go". It's just on hiatus. The videos are still all there.

The creator can always come back on his decision and make another video saying "good news people I'm back and here is why".

There are a lot of needless drama and overreactions right now. We'll see if that really stays or if it's just temporary and it will eventually calm down as time goes on.
   
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I dug up my favorite 3 minute sampler for those who've never been explosed to TTS. I fully understand it won't convince anyone that the project is worth defending, but in my opinion it's better than most BL novels.

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 herjan1987 wrote:
Well I am not the biggest name here on Dakkadakka, but I think sometimes you need to step up.

Alfabusa was one the reason I got into 40k. I like their light hearted style and got me into the lore, since I am still more of a Warhammer Fantasy fan.

Guys weed need to take action, in a way that Games Worshop notices. We need to move, because, if we dont draw a line, then what will happen next? Will take down DakkaDakka, because its an Ork special rule? I dont know the why did the Roundtable of Bretonnia ( https://web.archive.org/web/20210127131319/http://www.roundtable-bretonnia.org/ ), but they did mention, that because of legal reasons. Who is next then?

I watched a couple of videos about the topic and Wargamer Fritz said that the next possible target for GW will be those people, who create Battreps, Lorechannels with Patreon, because thats a direct contender to Warhammer+.

So what we can do?

Well I guess the best answer is given by an australian guy name Macca, who runs the Outer Circle:




Watch and act as you like. I know I will do my best to spread his idea.


For those of us with no interest in sitting through over 16 minutes of this guy going on, any chance of an elevator pitch summary?


It drops down to a small letter campaing. Not e-mail. Physical letter to Nottingham. Packed with some used sprues.

Also he suggests that you should write polite letter, where raise your concerns about, the product they produce, the services they provide and in the same letter, you are will let them know that you are closing your GW webstore account, with writing your its details ( name, email ). The reason your leaving, how they let you down as a costumer and etc.

He is arguing, if we send them something physical, which thrash, they have to do something with it. So they can not just say we leave those sprues in the warehouse.

The jist of it start from the 10 minute mark.


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 Chairman Aeon wrote:
Coat tail rider worried about coat owner kicking him off. Tune in next week when the board about GW games stands up for recasters and yells how dare GW try to stop them spreading Warhammer!

Fan videos/parodies are 'coat tail riding' now huh.

 herjan1987 wrote:
Well I guess the best answer is given by an australian guy name Macca, who runs the Outer Circle:

Lol, Outer Circle, the Aussy who complains about prices every other video but won't stop buying Forge World at full price and wonder why they keep doing it. He usually raises good points, but every point he makes is undermined by people like him being exactly the reason GW have no need to change anything that's working fine for their bottom line. It's like WinterSEO going on his big "You are Warhammer!" rant whilst telling people to keep buying from GW.


This time he as idea for those resin blocks.

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Sarouan wrote:

There are a lot of needless drama and overreactions right now. We'll see if that really stays or if it's just temporary and it will eventually calm down as time goes on.


Not likely. Several 3D animation channels who had been working on 40k material have announced they're also canning their projects over on reddit. On twitter, one of my fav 40k fan artists has announced that she's stopping any commissions that she hasn't already taken payment for. It looks like the sort of general pack up we saw ten years ago when GW shot itself in the foot last time. We'll see when the first lawsuits to come out of this start how much of an overreaction it is, but given GW's track history, less of one than you might think, I suspect.


As far as Warhammer+ I've been hearing rumors that it's turned into a real dumpster fire for the people who agreed. I know that when FFG worked on Deathwatch, GW tried to micromanage parts of it to an absurd extent. Maybe HBMC will remember exactly how many times that the Storm Wardens were submitted to GW, I think it was something like 20 times?


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It's hilarious how bent out of shape people are getting over things that are happening entirely in their own minds. "If them, who is going to be next"? Next for what? GW didn't do anything to these guys. So who will be next to have absolutely nothing happen to them, except in your imagination? I guess whoever you want.
   
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 BaronIveagh wrote:
Sarouan wrote:

There are a lot of needless drama and overreactions right now. We'll see if that really stays or if it's just temporary and it will eventually calm down as time goes on.


Not likely. Several 3D animation channels who had been working on 40k material have announced they're also canning their projects over on reddit. On twitter, one of my fav 40k fan artists has announced that she's stopping any commissions that she hasn't already taken payment for. It looks like the sort of general pack up we saw ten years ago when GW shot itself in the foot last time. We'll see when the first lawsuits to come out of this start how much of an overreaction it is, but given GW's track history, less of one than you might think, I suspect.


As far as Warhammer+ I've been hearing rumors that it's turned into a real dumpster fire for the people who agreed. I know that when FFG worked on Deathwatch, GW tried to micromanage parts of it to an absurd extent. Maybe HBMC will remember exactly how many times that the Storm Wardens were submitted to GW, I think it was something like 20 times?


that's normal when working with any big IP. I've heard similer stories from a guy who worked on the old WOTC Star Wars RPGs. I imagine that anything on WH+ will be subject to a high degree of quality control, given anything they put out will be offical and canon

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Also don't forget some of those fan projects have never had outside influence to them beyond fans going " give me more". So chances are its a new experience for both sides in working out a working relationship. It might also be a bit nuts right now as everyone is coming on board all at the same time. So there is likely some bottleneck element going on.

Hopefully it will smooth out and work better over time.

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 Overread wrote:
Also don't forget some of those fan projects have never had outside influence to them beyond fans going " give me more". So chances are its a new experience for both sides in working out a working relationship. It might also be a bit nuts right now as everyone is coming on board all at the same time. So there is likely some bottleneck element going on.

Hopefully it will smooth out and work better over time.


that said, this kinda feedback is going to be the norm for these guys if they get into animation for anyone professionally.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:



I dug up my favorite 3 minute sampler for those who've never been explosed to TTS. I fully understand it won't convince anyone that the project is worth defending, but in my opinion it's better than most BL novels.


Mother of god...MOBILISE THE LEGAL TEAM IMMEDATELY!

But seriously I had no idea what all the fuss was about. Cheers for that as it gave me quite a chuckle.

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BrianDavion wrote:
I imagine that anything on WH+ will be subject to a high degree of quality control, given anything they put out will be offical and canon


I'm really hoping you didn't write that with a straight face. The entire arguments which will arise about whether any of what they produce will be 'canon' aside, since many here don't even consider BL canon, it will have nothing to do with actual quality control. My own experiences with GW lead me to believe that failure to communicate and 'too many cooks' will be the major issues. You'll probably have someone who's head-canon conflicts with the story you're trying to tell, and then there's the issue of insufficient brand synergy, where marketing wants X to be a major player in the story.

Hilariously, in light of current events, I stumbled across this again. How far we've come since White Dwarf #5.


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 BaronIveagh wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
I imagine that anything on WH+ will be subject to a high degree of quality control, given anything they put out will be offical and canon


Hilariously, in light of current events, I stumbled across this again. How far we've come since White Dwarf #5.




In a situation that revolves around GW saying you need a license in order to make stuff with their IP (which is just how copyright works and what they've said for the past 5 years regardless), you use a quote where GW says people should (or rather, "of course they should") need a license in order to make stuff with someone elses IP to try and say things have fallen since then?

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More relevant now than ever, lol.........

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 Mentlegen324 wrote:

In a situation that revolves around GW saying you need a license in order to make stuff with their IP (which is just how copyright works and what they've said for the past 5 years regardless), you use a quote where GW says people should (or rather, "of course they should") need a license in order to make stuff with someone elses IP to try and say things have fallen since then?


Read the last Paragraph, the one that complains about 'strict enforcement of copyright'.


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BrianDavion wrote:
I imagine that anything on WH+ will be subject to a high degree of quality control, given anything they put out will be offical and canon


You can't be serious. This is the company that produced the Ultramarines movie and published C.S. Goto's guro fanfics.


 
   
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Not to mention the legion of mediocre to terrible 40k games they've licensed over the years (along with a handful of good to great ones).

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