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Didn't come across as flawed to me at all. It worked perfectly well as a follow-up to Wandavision (which did have a really gakky final episode, but still...).

Wanda got deeper into the Darkhold, learnt more of what it could do, and was seduced by its power. Then she learnt she could have what she wanted for real - not created by her own powers - and sought out a way to get that (ie. America).

As for the Illuminati, they were a key piece of Strange's journey, as his arc was learning that there isn't always one way to do everything and he doesn't have to be the one to do everything himself. The Illuminati fell into the trap of assuming that there was only ever one way to deal with Strange, ironically doing the very thing their Strange was guilty of.

This is also why Strange doesn't defeat Wanda, because America does, because Strange has to let someone else take control of the situation.

We also see echoes of End Game, with The Item Of Inadvisable Potency being (seemingly, at least) entirely removed from the board, thus putting it well beyond the reach of temptation of everyone.

I still don’t think she’s dead though.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I still don’t think she’s dead though.

I hope she is so that in Phase 5 we can get Vision: The Wrath of Theseus!

Caught this on D+.

It's okay. Kind of feel like the multiverse angle was tragically underutilized though. This movie suffers from the common problem of too many plot threads. I feel like it would have had more room to really shine if it had cut Wanda out of the plot, or the multiverse. Both makes the movie too busy and strangles the potential. America's whole deal honestly is probably the most half-baked part of the plot and I found the ending to be a big heaping case of 'because the plot.'

Or maybe I'm just disappointed that the thing I'd really liked to have seen the movie focus on feels poorly done. Dr. Strange has been a bit of an A-hole in his other MCU appearances. A huge A-hole actually. The idea of a movie being about Strange learning not to be an a-hole and kind of check himself feels like it could have carried this entire movie on its own and been better for it but in that case Mardo or Evil Strange would have been a better villain than Wanda. And Wanda having her own movie as a villain antagonist could have even followed and built on that movie.

In a way, I felt a bit cheated out of two better movies by the okay one.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I still don’t think she’s dead though.

I hope she is so that in Phase 5 we can get Vision: The Wrath of Theseus!

Hm. If she Is dead, or believed to be enough, maybe we get New Vision doing his version of VisionWanda and making the robot family from his comic. That would give us Viv for the Champions lineup.

Voss wrote:
Which walks us back around to 'worst bad motivation MCU villain' and leaves me at a loss for what the first half of the film is even for.

I liked her motivations instead. At least it's not the same old crazy dude that wants to dominate the world, destroy everything or seek revenge. Is there even a MCU installment in which the villain has different goals? All motivations that were already old in the 80s, and they're still the motivations we get in 99% of the fantasy/sci fi movies.

Thanos' motivations were a bit more interesting probably, to the point that I might even understand those who say he was actually right, but even him just wanted to dominate the world with his idea of order.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I still don’t think she’s dead though.

My guess? Assuming we're heading to Secret Wars, I'm betting hoping she ends up filling in the role of Molecule Man, which is basically also her role in House of M. She'll be convinced her to save fragments of the multiverse and hold it together as Battleworld, but ultimately she'll make the choice to undo everything, fulfilling her destiny to destroy the world to save it from Doom.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
We also see echoes of End Game, with The Item Of Inadvisable Potency being (seemingly, at least) entirely removed from the board, thus putting it well beyond the reach of temptation of everyone.

I still don’t think she’s dead though.

It kind of doesn't matter, because there are two blink-and-you'll-miss-it moments where it turns out she accidentally empowered her alternate reality possession victim (you can see her pull the scarlet witch power with her hands or it flash in her eyes, and NOT when evil Wanda is possessing her). So if/when the actress comes back to the MCU, I'll put odds on that one being the new 'real' Wanda. Makes it easier on the old heroic morality purity test.

 Lance845 wrote:
It's like thinking Ash's girl is going out of character when she becomes a deadite in Army of Darkness.

Does Wanda get real ugly?


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 LunarSol wrote:
My guess? Assuming we're heading to Secret Wars, I'm betting hoping she ends up filling in the role of Molecule Man, which is basically also her role in House of M. She'll be convinced her to save fragments of the multiverse and hold it together as Battleworld, but ultimately she'll make the choice to undo everything, fulfilling her destiny to destroy the world to save it from Doom.

Will she also get MM's gal?

Will Hasslehoff be able to play Beyonder still?

Thats 616 hers "soul" inside the possessed wanda mind when she kills xavier.

Plus the whole fingers turning black from the corrupt magic of the darkhold all movie.

Voss wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
We also see echoes of End Game, with The Item Of Inadvisable Potency being (seemingly, at least) entirely removed from the board, thus putting it well beyond the reach of temptation of everyone.

I still don’t think she’s dead though.

It kind of doesn't matter, because there are two blink-and-you'll-miss-it moments where it turns out she accidentally empowered her alternate reality possession victim (you can see her pull the scarlet witch power with her hands or it flash in her eyes, and NOT when evil Wanda is possessing her). So if/when the actress comes back to the MCU, I'll put odds on that one being the new 'real' Wanda. Makes it easier on the old heroic morality purity test.

Apologies if this seems nitpicky, but I just sort of assumed Alternate Wanda had the powers anyway? As ever I may have missed something!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
We also see echoes of End Game, with The Item Of Inadvisable Potency being (seemingly, at least) entirely removed from the board, thus putting it well beyond the reach of temptation of everyone.

I still don’t think she’s dead though.

It kind of doesn't matter, because there are two blink-and-you'll-miss-it moments where it turns out she accidentally empowered her alternate reality possession victim (you can see her pull the scarlet witch power with her hands or it flash in her eyes, and NOT when evil Wanda is possessing her). So if/when the actress comes back to the MCU, I'll put odds on that one being the new 'real' Wanda. Makes it easier on the old heroic morality purity test.

Apologies if this seems nitpicky, but I just sort of assumed Alternate Wanda had the powers anyway? As ever I may have missed something!

She may have, admittedly. But initially (especially with the first broken possession) she reacts like a mom, not a super. Its only after Wanda has been in her a while that she reacts with powers (to get out of the Vishanti pocket dimension and reacts to Wanda coming through America's portal).

Thinking about it, its one of those situations that can only be resolved through Word of God, and the answer would probably be more disappointing than the speculation.