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all releases are limited by what Disney allow them to do and everything until mid/end next year was agreed between Disney and FFG
AMG has minor influence on what is coming up for Legion as everything was already settled before it was removed from FFG

 Sabotage! wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
I enjoy the 180 to the early Legion threads, with people saying the GCW was the wrong choice and they might pay attention to it once they move to the Clone Wars.

Judging by the obvious TCW inspired art style I bet they'd cover Rebels first before the greater GCW stuff in that style.

That’s wild, I don’t think I have ever seen a single comment like that. I guess we were looking in different places. I don’t think I’ve heard anyone ever say they prefer the clone wars/prequels to the originals, though I think a lot of that has to do with me being in my mid-thirties and most of the people I associate with on a semi-regular basis are in a similar age group. There are probably a lot of younger fans that feel that way, and I sure there are some older ones too out there.

I would be okay with Rebels to be honest. I agree the art style suits Rebels better than most of the OT and it’s spin-offs.

I have also seen a lot of those comments, simply because did not like the "army" game for a setting were it is all about a single hero and a unit of commandos and the Clone Wars are better for the immersion
but this also came along with the argument das Legion is "too small" and there should be more models on the table like in 40k

They did an unboxing on Twitch today. No real info of rules, not even a card preview, but custom dice and movement/range tools per the Asmodee standard.

No solid info on army construction, but it sounds like there's no hard faction restrictions similar to MCP. They referred to squads quite a bit, which seem to consist of 2 heroes and 2 generic characters. No info if the generic characters are linked in any way or if they're just like the MCP Sentinels where you can take 2 of them as a special rule. Squads seem to be how the game is sold though and we got to see the Hello There squad expansion with; Obi-Wan, Cody and two 212th Clones that they said was designed to be playable out of the box.

The core set is also clearly broken up into 4 premade squads, with the expection that you can mix things up later:

Anakin/Rex/2x 501st Clones
Ahsoka/Bo Katan/2x Mandos
Ventress/General Kalani/2x B1s (3 figures to a base)
Maul/Gar Saxon/2x Super Mandos

Going off that, I think its pretty safe to say the remaining releases we've seen in the trailer are as follows:

Luminara/Barriss/2x 41st Elite Clones
Dooku/Jango/2x Magna Guard
Grevious/2x B2s (2 figures to a base)

Only 3 characters in that last one, but I suspect they're just considered larger, more expensive models for a squad.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/shatterpoint/permalink/491570666389609/?paipv=0&eav=AfYLK3h8g8BZkW1thVlCxSaRNzbxRvecZFPQi8ae-tnKTbWWZ99LdbMqNN4syKI8YRY

They posted a summary in the link above. I can't copy the text from my phone.

Starter set price is $165 USA so I might have to pass :(

My interest in this is starting to fade a bit. More expensive than MCP, at least initially. The miniatures look a bit larger, not a fan of bigatures. And now i'm hearing that there is faction mixing (think Obi Wan leading droid forces). I was initially hoping the teams for this would be solidified and pre built, and the point was to collect thematic teams. There is no way i'm pre ordering this without a lot more info.

Well, I suspected we'd see a higher price compared to Crisis Protocol. Not necessarily a dealbreaker to me, but since I wasn't terribly interested to begin with it certainly doesn't help selling the game to me.

I'm more concerned that the soldier side of the squads will be pretty samey. Clones and clankers everywhere. Yeah, sure, it's Clone Wars and there are Mandalorians as well, but still. I just like my Rebels and Empire, which is not catered to initially at the very least.

 LunarSol wrote:
Grevious/2x B2s (2 figures to a base)

Only 3 characters in that last one, but I suspect they're just considered larger, more expensive models for a squad.

Maybe squads are assembled by counting arms?

Price point on the starter set does look slightly on the expensive side in terms of 'sticker shock' but also probably well worth it in terms of the actual savings on those contents for someone actually planning on investing into the game. Roughly, you're getting one of the Squads and the (quite decent amount of) Terrain for 'free'. Relative to M:CP starter, it's probably a case of more 'value' in terms of savings but also a higher initial outlay. $50 for the squad expansions doesn't seem too bad at all though. Probably be less appealing at UK prices given Asmodee seem to have hiked up their rates over here (swings and roundabouts; shouldn't really be complaining about the general cost of miniature games in the UK compared to other regions).

Glad to see that you can mix/match squads and they're not set teams. Some folks seem to have taken issue with the potential to mix in Dark/Light side forces; understandable concern over min/maxing destroying the thematic squad building but it's not like they never team up, especially in Clone Wars (and especially during the Siege of Mandalore arc that at least half of the starter content invokes). If it's anything like MC then there's probably an incentive to build thematic squads via access to particular tactics/command cards.

It sounds like, from their comments on Facebook, there’s an article coming in the near future about list building that will cover stuff like that. I imagine there is an incentive to make thematic squads yeah.

Sounds reasonable to me. It's better than curtailing creativity and if lore accurate lists are that little bit more efficient than exotic takes or counts as, there shouldn't really be friction between more competitive and more narrative minded players. I like it, provided the implementation works as intended.

Price compared to MCP makes sense. MCP starter contains 10 miniatures. This one contains 16 with 2 of them really being 6 effectively 20 total. It remains to be seen if that translates into more "game" than MCP, but it looks like more stuff at least.

I'm personally so so on the whole thing. It's got a lot of potential but I'm not a huge Clone Wars era fan when it comes to obscure characters. The packs they've shown are pretty light on filler though so I might pick up this initial batch and see if it expands into other eras before I get anything more.

They are planning to expand into other eras as it’s been confirmed that the unit cards have an era symbol on them.

Element games have a pre-order up so its presumably coming soon

Not until the summer but preorders launched this week (discounted preorder price apparently, goes up on release).

Some stores may also have a Padawn Ahsoka model for those who order the core box. It’s a preview of a future release rather than an exclusive.

Release date is 2nd June I believe.

The preview model is allegedly just for FLGS who participate in their Hobby Next scheme, though the full details don't seem to be available yet.

I want some unboxings of the terrain!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I want some unboxings of the terrain!

I'd like to see specifically what terrain is included in the starter set. AMG have already done a painting stream showcasing some of it.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I want some unboxings of the terrain!

I'd like to see specifically what terrain is included in the starter set. AMG have already done a painting stream showcasing some of it.

Just went to look, really nice of YouTube to not show me even as I am subbed…
Anyway, looks like great terrain as well.
Star Wars themed, but would work for any sci fi games I bet.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I want some unboxings of the terrain!

I'd like to see specifically what terrain is included in the starter set. AMG have already done a painting stream showcasing some of it.

Same. I might find some use for it and if the starter box looks like a good deal...

The core set honestly seems like a good deal. A bit of sticker shock, but there's definitely a lot of stuff in it. It's effectively 4 of the $50 character packs more terrain than the $75 terrain kits and the dice and tools which they're selling for $15 each. $300+ for $165. It's definitely not a stingy box, even if I wouldn't call it a cheap game.

It is similar priced as the Kill Team Box (185 vs 165 USD), got more models and possible better terrain for the game
those are 4 teams rather than 2 and expansions are similar priced

overall making it the better deal compared to KT core set, specially with a lot of people saying how much value the KT boxes already are

Indeed, the 'value' relative to individual sets looks pretty good, especially at the discounted rates they're going for. Just to note that some of these prices getting thrown about currently won't last forever; Asmodee are offering them to retailers at a reduced rate for the launch so those sellers are able to pass (some of) that on to the customer.

I don't disagree that these starter boxes tend to be good value. I found that to be the case for both Legion and Crisis Protocol and I don't doubt Shatterpoint will be the same. I'm still on the fence whether I'd have a use for the models and the game, though, so the terrain holds the most appeal to me and if I don't pay too much over the price of whatever the terrain is individually to get some fun models to paint, the box might look too attractive to pass up. And then I'll develop a taste for it and get into the game or the miniatures after all and start throwing money at AMG and the plasticrack dealer wins again.

What I'm saying is, I'd like hard facts to justify my habit.

Do we know what material everything will be in yet?

Irdiumstern wrote:
Do we know what material everything will be in yet?

HIPS plastic. Sprues were shown in the unboxing.

 LunarSol wrote:
The core set honestly seems like a good deal. A bit of sticker shock, but there's definitely a lot of stuff in it. It's effectively 4 of the $50 character packs more terrain than the $75 terrain kits and the dice and tools which they're selling for $15 each. $300+ for $165. It's definitely not a stingy box, even if I wouldn't call it a cheap game.

I will be happy with that, I really like the terrain as well from looks. Now I can’t wait, definitely will be ordering it day one.

Apple fox wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
The core set honestly seems like a good deal. A bit of sticker shock, but there's definitely a lot of stuff in it. It's effectively 4 of the $50 character packs more terrain than the $75 terrain kits and the dice and tools which they're selling for $15 each. $300+ for $165. It's definitely not a stingy box, even if I wouldn't call it a cheap game.

I will be happy with that, I really like the terrain as well from looks. Now I can’t wait, definitely will be ordering it day one.

I'd kind of decided that this year I'd focus on terrain and making some new tables. This stuff looks like it will fit in nicely with some of the GW stuff that had been languishing in the closet and will likely be what pushes me to bulid a real table with it.

It is not logical to assess the deal based on what the components would cost individually. It is this lack of critical thinking that allows companies like GW to engage in predatory pricing because people who do this are not referencing anything outside a controlled and closed system for comparison. In this case you really do need to compare apples to oranges...

 Tokhuah wrote:
It is not logical to assess the deal based on what the components would cost individually. It is this lack of critical thinking that allows companies like GW to engage in predatory pricing because people who do this are not referencing anything outside a controlled and closed system for comparison. In this case you really do need to compare apples to oranges...

I generally agree, though I wouldn't call the pricing of luxury goods (GW Wargames) "Predatory" . GW products are not essentials we cannot live without.

Price comparisons outside the system are likely not useful however. The folks buying this set are mostly either those who will buy it with price bring no object, or those who think it's a fair deal based on a comparison to GW or MCP. Their frame for value is likely completely different than folks who buy outside the big names.

The boardgaming forum I frequent is almost unanimous that with such a price this game is going to be dead on arrival. That's the perspective of people outside the miniature wargaming ("why should I pay so much when I had Imperial Assault for a fraction of this price?")

Also, GW nowadays seem to have pretty friendly prices compared to what many other companies are trying to sell. For example I use many GW models in my Warmachine armies, because I often save half of the price doing that (and still get excellent quality).

 LunarSol wrote:

Irdiumstern wrote:
Do we know what material everything will be in yet?

HIPS plastic. Sprues were shown in the unboxing.

Thanks, that is good news. Now I just have to wait to see how egregious the scale is.

 Tokhuah wrote:
It is not logical to assess the deal based on what the components would cost individually. It is this lack of critical thinking that allows companies like GW to engage in predatory pricing because people who do this are not referencing anything outside a controlled and closed system for comparison. In this case you really do need to compare apples to oranges...

.....

Anyway, it can be compared to other products within the same sector of the market and it's probably dependent on how much terrain is in the starter before that can be judged fully. They do also need to get a shift on in terms of showcasing gameplay.