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Impressive, most impressive.

...shouldn't the High Ground set involve more lava?

 Dysartes wrote:
...shouldn't the High Ground set involve more lava?

It's meant to be played on the floor.

I wonder how the terrain scales with 40k stuff...

[EDIT]: Heh. The 'Take Cover' pack comes with a GONK droid.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder how the terrain scales with 40k stuff...

[EDIT]: Heh. The 'Take Cover' pack comes with a GONK droid.

Finally, a Tactical Gonk Droid.

Pretty sure one already exists in Legion.

I have the high ground (terrain pack), Anakin! It's over!

Aeneades wrote:
First two terrain sets revealed.

It was hinted that a copy of the first is included in the starter but not confirmed yet.

Spoiler:

That's nice, and not just for the game. I was thinking of building some platforms to fit more Legion models in my display case. The High Ground set might just play a part in that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder how the terrain scales with 40k stuff...

Not very well, I imagine. I expect AMG's stuff to have consistent scale.

 Geifer wrote:

Aeneades wrote:
First two terrain sets revealed.

It was hinted that a copy of the first is included in the starter but not confirmed yet.

Spoiler:

That's nice, and not just for the game. I was thinking of building some platforms to fit more Legion models in my display case. The High Ground set might just play a part in that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder how the terrain scales with 40k stuff...

Not very well, I imagine. I expect AMG's stuff to have consistent scale.

It should transfer well enough over to be used in Legion, even if they're technically a different scale. I'll take doors and similar areas being slightly too big over slightly too small.

it will scale with the current 40k terrain as well as any other "not from the current edition" stuff, be it from another game or GW

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
It should transfer well enough over to be used in Legion, even if they're technically a different scale. I'll take doors and similar areas being slightly too big over slightly too small.

Yeah, for most terrain features the difference between 1/48 and 1/42 isn't meaningful and some features like doors still work one way, especially in a setting that has humans and human-like species as its focus but needs to accommodate species that are taller or broader than humans. You'll have the most trouble with furniture that interacts with people, like chairs and such, where you need to observe the appropriate scale and too much deviation will stand out.

It might not work for ever single piece, but I think Shatterpoint terrain will largely have dual use for Legion as well.

I spy a speeder bike.

Sure, they say it's just terrain...

High ground pack?



Isn't that just pay to win?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
High ground pack?



Isn't that just pay to win?

Only if you are playing an Obi Wan list

 Manchu wrote:

Additional rant: Looks VERY silly to complain about “making us buy the same characters again!” when the topic is Star Wars of all things. Mate, we’ve been buying the same characters non-stop for decades and decades. Most relevant to this context is the exact same complaints lodged when FFG announced Legion, that time regarding Imperial Assault. Once again, we’re talking about a different game, with its own scale and basing convention, with brand new sculpts. Sorry if you had already bought some Star Wars Lego , I guess?

You mean the entirely valid and legitimate complaints people had regarding Legion and Imperial Assault? I know some people love just uncritically gifting companies their money, but the corporate-customer relationship is supposed to be an adversarial one, you know. They seek to take as much of our money as they can, and we try to get the best value from them we can - everyone who brands entirely legitimate gripes as "whining" etc always seems to forget the second part.

Also, half of the complaint people have in this case is that it *is* a different game: AMG were given the FFG games and we were told those would be their focus for Star Wars gaming. Now Armada is dead, X-Wing is slowly starving to death, and Legion is about to be supplanted by a new game that *could* have just been a mode/expansion for it, but is instead an entirely new product based on AMGs in-house system with a scale change to boot. It's self-evident that they've decided to backburner the former FFG games in favour of their own product, in what reality is that not a valid reason for people who bought in to the FFG games to be annoyed? I don't even play the FFG games themselves, but I did enjoy the models and I was looking forward to Legion getting more hard plastic kits(maybe even some refreshes of the earliest bendy ones) - how likely is that now? Either the new game will be a success, in which case AMG will see that as license to further focus on it over Legion, or it'll flop, in which case Asmodee will start interfering again; neither is a good outcome for people who liked Legion or its minis, so damn-straight they're annoyed, they have every right to be and it's an entirely rational and justifiable response.

But hey, everyone's entitled to their point of view. I guess in yours all those people who felt they were bilked by EA over their Battlefront games should have just shut up and been grateful, afterall I'm sure they bought an action figure of Han Solo or something when they were kids.

yes and no

what it happening now was expected, at least by some people and I can now say "told you" (though I did not in this forum I think) as the upper management shifting projects around to clear up departments to make it look better on paper (in this case for selling the company) has always the same result

people who work on something very different getting a project to maintain which is not "theirs" never works well and needs time as they are going to adjust it to their needs if they keep it at all

being a small studio that is full booked on maintaining 1 game and designing anther does not help either

everything that is happening now was expected and is not a real surprise, how bad it might be for people who like the game


PS: yet what I a cannot understand is the argument about the "scale" or better said this is the most strange part of the community

GW is doing the very same thing, and people are defending it with their heart (as Heroes from different games of the same IP being larger as from the main game so they just look stupid outside their game) saying that everyone who does not like it or complains about it is a "hater"

while here the difference is mainly the base size and again, GW changing the bases within the main game and people are praising them for doing it while having different base sizes for different games here is like a barrier impossible to overcome (not like people printing/selling adapters to get from 25mm to 32/40mm bases for 40k)


PPS: the main problem with FFG style games has always been the cards and tokens coming with the units so you need to buy to models to play the game (hence one of the few not model agnostic games out there), so the different scale is not the reason why you need to buy the stuff again, cards and tokens are the reason
so in this case if you play both you buy models for both anyway, no matter if you could use them or not because of the different size
and it was the same for Imperial Assault, even if Legion would have been 20mm models, need to buy Han Solo again to get the cards to play him in Legion

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

Additional rant: Looks VERY silly to complain about “making us buy the same characters again!” when the topic is Star Wars of all things. Mate, we’ve been buying the same characters non-stop for decades and decades. Most relevant to this context is the exact same complaints lodged when FFG announced Legion, that time regarding Imperial Assault. Once again, we’re talking about a different game, with its own scale and basing convention, with brand new sculpts. Sorry if you had already bought some Star Wars Lego , I guess?

Also, half of the complaint people have in this case is that it *is* a different game: AMG were given the FFG games and we were told those would be their focus for Star Wars gaming. Now Armada is dead, X-Wing is slowly starving to death, and Legion is about to be supplanted by a new game that *could* have just been a mode/expansion for it, but is instead an entirely new product based on AMGs in-house system with a scale change to boot. It's self-evident that they've decided to backburner the former FFG games in favour of their own product, in what reality is that not a valid reason for people who bought in to the FFG games to be annoyed?.

A valid concern though the timeline would suggest that Shatterpoint was well into development before AMG even knew they were getting the FFG star wars games dropped on them so, in the short term, they've seemingly had to back-burner that in favour of working through the slate for Legion etc. How effective they'll be at spinning all their respective plates going forward remains to be seen and I don't think it's unfair to at least be slightly hesitant about whether they'll be able to sustain focused, quality support for all the systems. If M:CP is anything to go by then, if nothing else, AMG are productive. It's hard to keep up with releases for that, even if Asmodee's distribution seemingly tends to go out of its way to make the physical releases as disjointed and inconsistent as possible.

Legion looks like it's having a bit of a rules shake up in the coming weeks anyway so they're at least devoting resources to bring it more in line with their ideas (for better or worst) and we know there's a decent amount of AMG-designed content on its way ('Old-man' Boba is out this week in fact and that's the first release they've designed from the start).

 Yodhrin wrote:

Also, half of the complaint people have in this case is that it *is* a different game: AMG were given the FFG games and we were told those would be their focus for Star Wars gaming. Now Armada is dead, X-Wing is slowly starving to death

My questions for unhappy people is about these games - what are/were you expecting? It's Star Wars.

A new S̶p̶a̶c̶e̶ ̶M̶a̶r̶i̶n̶e̶ Rebel Alliance codex every two and a half years? Re-release of a new, updated X-Wing kit with new cards that's a must-buy and superseces your old model and cards and rules?

There's an upper (or lower!) limit to what people will buy and what people care about - Do you want or expect every obscure, godawful and gakky vehicle and ship dreamed up by every toy manufacturer and comic artist? Do you want 17 different versions of the TIE fighter?
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/TIE_crawler
https://www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/jb3rjd/all_canon_tie_fighters_ranked_from_worst_to_best/
I mean, we have the TUG-b13! The barrel has been scraped. The Campaign packs are all that seeme like would be even vaguely interesting to many people at this point...

At a certain point, the tooling and production of some of this crap will start to lose AMG>Asmodee?Embracer money because perhaps not enough people are interested in the MTV-7 for it to turn a profit, and they're probably not too keen on that because of the chain of corporate masters that they need to serve..

Ultimately, you're playing a licenced Star Wars game, and that means that while Disney is keen to keep expanding (and filling in) the lore with new toy products, I mean designs for things, but there's still a finite amout of stuff - particularly in Armada and X-Wing, for them to make without just making up new gak themselves - which their minis licence likely not not allow.

Ultimately, the machine demands new products - as you're demonstrating by complaining about slowing down/lack of support for the existing games. I'm not sure what you expect though, truthfully. This isn't 40k where GW can just say "new release - the same space marines we just sold you with different hats" or "the same space marines we just sold you with slightly bigger boots" and people all line up to buy them.

Shatterpoint might not be for you, or a bunch of other people. I understand that. I have a lot of models for Imperial Assault. When they brought out Legion, I decided that I wasn't going to buy the same gak slightly different (in a terrible material) and didn't. Now they're doing the same thing again, just like I didn't buy their very expensive boxes of cardboard "upgrade packs" for X-Wing 2nd edition where I'd have needed 2 or 3 of them for each of my existing fleets. I've got 4 fleets for Armada, and they all work just fine. So I'll probably buy into Shatterpoint, and I'll have no illusion that one day the licence will expire and official support will end, just like it will for MCP. Luckily, my enjoyment and ability to use my models doesn't expire when official support ends. I can still play Rogue Trader or 40k Second edition with my existing rules and models.

Don't like the new product? Don't buy it. I didn't buy Legion or X-Wing 2nd edition. Yet I still continue to live.

 Azazelx wrote:

Ultimately, the machine demands new products - as you're demonstrating by complaining about slowing down/lack of support for the existing games. I'm not sure what you expect though, truthfully. This isn't 40k where GW can just say "new release - the same space marines we just sold you with different hats" or "the same space marines we just sold you with slightly bigger boots" and people all line up to buy them.

I think there is a solid argument to make that just changing the scale on ostensibly the same thing (like iconic Stormtroopers) solely to make it asthetically unsuitable for use with the next line is even worse than coming out with more primaris but with different hats and matching boots. Regardless, I agree with your main premise of some product lines coming to an end and just not buying into the next product line churn. I also didn't buy into Xwing 2: Card Boogaloo but I'm definitely glad that I have the minis for posterity after decades of not having an alternative to micromachines.

They could have at least given us the TIE Dagger. We deserve a good laugh. Goodness, if they dropped a Star Tours shuttle, I’d be all over that.

(I too buy these minis to fill out my Micromachines collection.)

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
They could have at least given us the TIE Dagger. We deserve a good laugh. Goodness, if they dropped a Star Tours shuttle, I’d be all over that.

(I too buy these minis to fill out my Micromachines collection.)

For decades, those were the goto choice for relatively accurate and in scale minis pre-Xwing. It's what everyone used at gencon games when I was going in from the 90's to the mid 00's.

The TIE Predator is my "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!" model but no chance of that now that they've totally redone the post-trilogy timeline.

I’d buy one of those, too, unironically. Throw in a Chiss Clawcaft and we’re really cooking with gas.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I’d buy one of those, too, unironically. Throw in a Chiss Clawcaft and we’re really cooking with gas.

For Armada, bring back some of the classic ships from WEG and Rebellion/Supremacy. And proper alt paints for cross faction ships like Republic VSDs, Imperial Acclamators, Rebel One Providence cruiser.

At the very least, why is there still no Seperatist Lucrehulk as a huge?

I know that this game seems to be mainly be focusing on the Clone Wars era, and that is what kind of makes me lose interest.

Would honestly probably play this over Legion if it came out with GCW warbands due to table space at home and time.

Absolutely love Legion, but a 3x6 is relatively unwieldy for use at home, and being able to get 2-4 games of Shatterpoint in during the time it would take to play a single game of Legion would be a huge bonus to me.

I'm sure they have plenty to release for the Clone Wars, but it shouldn't be hard to expand to the Imperial era down the line. There are enough surviving Jedi and Inquisitors to oppose them to make a few teams for each side. Might even throw in Kylo and Rey eventually if they run out of other stuff to do.

They're absolutely going to expand into Empire/Rebels down the line. I think the Clone Wars era (and the animated series specifically) just plugged right into the tone and aesthetic they were looking for, which is (effectively in their own words), that 'dive right into the action, Saturday morning cartoon' feel.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I know that this game seems to be mainly be focusing on the Clone Wars era, and that is what kind of makes me lose interest.

Would honestly probably play this over Legion if it came out with GCW warbands due to table space at home and time.

Absolutely love Legion, but a 3x6 is relatively unwieldy for use at home, and being able to get 2-4 games of Shatterpoint in during the time it would take to play a single game of Legion would be a huge bonus to me.

This is exactly how I feel. Smaller table size and the scale of the game are just what I am looking for. On the other hand, to me, the Clone Wars are the very least interesting part of Star Wars. GCW is my preference, but I would have been happy with Old Republic or post ROTJ too. I’d love to have Krennic and some Death Troopers square off against Cassian Andor and some rebel commandos, or Emperor Palpatine and some Royal Guards have a show down with Luke and Co. The Bounty Hunters and various criminal elements would make for great bands too.

Well, if the game ever gets that far I will take a look.

I enjoy the 180 to the early Legion threads, with people saying the GCW was the wrong choice and they might pay attention to it once they move to the Clone Wars.

Judging by the obvious TCW inspired art style I bet they'd cover Rebels first before the greater GCW stuff in that style.

 Arbitrator wrote:
I enjoy the 180 to the early Legion threads, with people saying the GCW was the wrong choice and they might pay attention to it once they move to the Clone Wars.

Judging by the obvious TCW inspired art style I bet they'd cover Rebels first before the greater GCW stuff in that style.

That’s wild, I don’t think I have ever seen a single comment like that. I guess we were looking in different places. I don’t think I’ve heard anyone ever say they prefer the clone wars/prequels to the originals, though I think a lot of that has to do with me being in my mid-thirties and most of the people I associate with on a semi-regular basis are in a similar age group. There are probably a lot of younger fans that feel that way, and I sure there are some older ones too out there.

I would be okay with Rebels to be honest. I agree the art style suits Rebels better than most of the OT and it’s spin-offs.

 warboss wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

Ultimately, the machine demands new products - as you're demonstrating by complaining about slowing down/lack of support for the existing games. I'm not sure what you expect though, truthfully. This isn't 40k where GW can just say "new release - the same space marines we just sold you with different hats" or "the same space marines we just sold you with slightly bigger boots" and people all line up to buy them.

I think there is a solid argument to make that just changing the scale on ostensibly the same thing (like iconic Stormtroopers) solely to make it asthetically unsuitable for use with the next line is even worse than coming out with more primaris but with different hats and matching boots. Regardless, I agree with your main premise of some product lines coming to an end and just not buying into the next product line churn. I also didn't buy into Xwing 2: Card Boogaloo but I'm definitely glad that I have the minis for posterity after decades of not having an alternative to micromachines.

That's not quite the point I'm making - I'm actually saying that the complaints of "they're cutting support by not releasing more stuff" comes because they've already released most all of the Stormtrooper variants (that will sell) and they're not in a position to make ones with a different hat or bigger boots, as they don't own the IP and likely their contract does not allow them to add new things (like most of the video game licences). - So naturally support will start to slow down unless you want to just buy stormtrooper resculpts - and chances are they won't sell all that well since why would you buy more if they don't have a different hat or bigger boots? - the GW sales impetus!