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Atomic Mass Games have now confirmed that the starter box has four squads and that the first two squads are -

Anakin, Captain Rex and two clone troopers.

Ahsoka, Bo-Katan and two Mandalorian Nite Owls.


Based upon the box art the two opposing squads are likely to be -


Ventress, Super Tactical droid, two bases of three B1 droids

Maul, Gar Saxon and two Mandalorian Supercommandos.


Along with the terrain this will be a pretty big starter box.

The confirmed first half of the starter -

Certainly looks like it's going to be a fairly hefty starter set indeed.

Will be interesting to see how rigid the list/squad building is; is it just going to be a general Light Side/Dark Side split (which actually might not even work given the Clone Wars and how often we get Dark Side vs Dark Side or Bo Katan being on just about every 'side' going etc.). Probably more likely going to be more open like M:CP but with bonus cards/abilities for themed teams.

One of the things I am wondering around list building is whether you need to take the entire set squad, so if I take Anakin does he automatically come with Rex and the two clone troopers.

I am hoping it’s more flexible then that so Anakin is a separate individual model choice but Rex automatically comes with his two troopers.

Aeneades wrote:
One of the things I am wondering around list building is whether you need to take the entire set squad, so if I take Anakin does he automatically come with Rex and the two clone troopers.

I am hoping it’s more flexible then that so Anakin is a separate individual model choice but Rex automatically comes with his two troopers.

I'd have thought it's more flexible; seems odd that they'd include Ahsoka, for example, and not have her available alongside Rex and/or the other 501st troopers or alongside Anakin. Or Bo alongside Maul's Super Commandos. I'd have to think it's just points based or something to that effect but with bonus abilities for linked faction/keywords etc. Maybe there's a pseudo-Force Organisation chart for Leaders/Heroes/Troopers etc. We'll see but I just can't see them making it that restrictive; AMG regularly bang the drum about how much they like thematic or narrative style play and events, and personalization.

I don't know how AMG works so please don't take this a serious concern or anything, more like a what if.

So what if they intend to release multiple character sculpts with themed henchmen, and then your army list consists of, say, three or four groups of those. Ahsoka here is in her Siege of Mandalore design and could get younger Padawan and older Padawan versions.
Asajj is in Dooku's assassin style, and could get a Nightsister assassin version with some Nightsisters and bounty hunter version with some other bounty hunters.

They could sell you the same character three times with different designs and different henchmen, and still have claim to narrative design by having characters in groups based on the movies and shows. And they don't have to give every character the same number of incarnations either, in case of more marginal characters or ones that just don't change.

Not sure about their expansion plans for the game, but if they want to stay in the Clone Wars, it seems to me that they are going to run out of recognizable characters sooner than they would for Crisis Protocol and that's a way of drawing that out.

 Geifer wrote:


They could sell you the same character three times with different designs and different henchmen, and still have claim to narrative design by having characters in groups based on the movies and shows. And they don't have to give every character the same number of incarnations either, in case of more marginal characters or ones that just don't change.

Technically a thing in MCP. We have Daredevil and Shadowland Daredevil, Two Captain America, several Spider-men(Spectacular, Amazing, variant), and so on.

Oh I fully expect multiples of the same character; probably less prevalent than in MCP but still almost certainly going to be a thing.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Excellent. Another Star Wars game in another scale by the very same company barely keeping up with what it already offers, and has maintained that by doing no new releases for at least one other Star Wars game.

This is my feeling as well. It feels like they are only really supporting MCP right now. Legion and X-wing are an afterthought and Armada is completely neglected. This is guaranteed to cannibalize their own customers who are currently buying Legion or MCP.

This would have been a win for me had it been compatible with Legion miniatures. I don't want to buy another Obi-Wan that is slightly larger and in the same pose....but I'm willing to bet there's a 'no proxy rule' in their tournament rules (even if it's a fig from their company).

It feels like history is repeating itself with all the ex-Privateer Press employees who are now running AMG.

After seeing what this has turned into...


Thanks, but a hard pass. I'm sorry, but I can't take this seriously. The presentation here killed it. There doesn't seem to be a coherent plan, or decision making process in how this is being pushed out. Not to mention, no type of hype, or advertising on this.

With Legion, at least you had a full army to work with. Even if this is a Skirmish game, you would at least thought that both that you would be able to play it right away, and also, that there would be some advanced advertising, or Game Play from the usual suspects/shills.

Is anyone even talking about this, aside from Dakka?

This isn't even a fresh take on the game. You might as well play this game with the figures you already have, in either WTC, or FFG scale.
THIS leads me to want to lean to play this game with old school 3 3/4 inch Star Wars figures. That 35mm scale creep that we are seeing in the "Industry" does not have any fans in my house. They might as well have made these figures 54mm, and we could see a reemergence of an updated Inquisitor style game.

The Lack of vision from Atomic Mass is going to kill this game within a year. From an experienced eye, I wouldn't touch this now, with a ten foot pole.

It will stick around for the length of the licence at least (after all they'll have paid for it and may well have minimum ongoing payments to make) so i wouldn't worry about it any more than any other licenced game

and the extra size is bound to attract painters/collectors who might not have been interested at the smaller sizes

I like the look of the minis. I don't mind the scale going forward. The focus on Characters is great.
But I won't be buying in. I already have most of the characters I want, in a scale I like more.

I am very sad that this announcement is a distraction to avoid confirmation that AMG are killing off Armada, X-Wing, and Legion.

Additionally, I am disappointed that this is happening before I could get an Ahsoka, Mace Windu, and Kit Fisto for my Legion armies. A resculpt for Han Solo would have been nice...

Off to trawl the Etsy & 3d stl realms for the characters I want.

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Geifer wrote:


They could sell you the same character three times with different designs and different henchmen, and still have claim to narrative design by having characters in groups based on the movies and shows. And they don't have to give every character the same number of incarnations either, in case of more marginal characters or ones that just don't change.

Technically a thing in MCP. We have Daredevil and Shadowland Daredevil, Two Captain America, several Spider-men(Spectacular, Amazing, variant), and so on.

Hmm, I have two Black Widows but didn't know it was so widespread. Good to know. I'm looking forward to my three Ahsokas in a different scale and for a different game than I wanted.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
It will stick around for the length of the licence at least (after all they'll have paid for it and may well have minimum ongoing payments to make) so i wouldn't worry about it any more than any other licenced game

and the extra size is bound to attract painters/collectors who might not have been interested at the smaller sizes

I like to think the proportions in combination with that rather than size alone would make the AMG models desirable for painters and display. As has been noted in this thread already, the head size of Legion models isn't uncontroversial and some of the older ones are a bit lacking in sculpting or casting quality. Shatterpoint is bound to do better in that regard.

 Grot 6 wrote:
With Legion, at least you had a full army to work with. Even if this is a Skirmish game, you would at least thought that both that you would be able to play it right away, and also, that there would be some advanced advertising, or Game Play from the usual suspects/shills.

Is anyone even talking about this, aside from Dakka?

The starter comes with 16 models (8 models per faction) and, from the announcement video, quite a bit of modular terrain. That seems very playable out of the box for me.

The game isn’t coming out until next July. This is just the initial announcement. They have already said that rule previews will start in January and will be playable for the public for the first time at Adapticon in March. I would expect copies to be sent to the usual suspects around that time or even slightly later, to build hype just before launch.

I have seen quite a lot of chat on other forums, Facebook, etc

 Grot 6 wrote:
After seeing what this has turned into...


Thanks, but a hard pass. I'm sorry, but I can't take this seriously. The presentation here killed it. There doesn't seem to be a coherent plan, or decision making process in how this is being pushed out. Not to mention, no type of hype, or advertising on this.

With Legion, at least you had a full army to work with. Even if this is a Skirmish game, you would at least thought that both that you would be able to play it right away, and also, that there would be some advanced advertising, or Game Play from the usual suspects/shills.

Is anyone even talking about this, aside from Dakka?

This isn't even a fresh take on the game. You might as well play this game with the figures you already have, in either WTC, or FFG scale.
THIS leads me to want to lean to play this game with old school 3 3/4 inch Star Wars figures. That 35mm scale creep that we are seeing in the "Industry" does not have any fans in my house. They might as well have made these figures 54mm, and we could see a reemergence of an updated Inquisitor style game.

The Lack of vision from Atomic Mass is going to kill this game within a year. From an experienced eye, I wouldn't touch this now, with a ten foot pole.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think I agree with Grot 6.

 Geifer wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Geifer wrote:


They could sell you the same character three times with different designs and different henchmen, and still have claim to narrative design by having characters in groups based on the movies and shows. And they don't have to give every character the same number of incarnations either, in case of more marginal characters or ones that just don't change.

Technically a thing in MCP. We have Daredevil and Shadowland Daredevil, Two Captain America, several Spider-men(Spectacular, Amazing, variant), and so on.

Hmm, I have two Black Widows but didn't know it was so widespread. Good to know. I'm looking forward to my three Ahsokas in a different scale and for a different game than I wanted.

Legion already has Younger Vader (Anakin), Young Vader and Older Vader. Young Boba, Older Boba. And we all know Ahsoka was going to get her young self, and Fulcrum Self too.

The MCP starter box is going for 80-100 bucks right now. This core box looks like it might be much more substantial, raising the cost of entry, which IMO might not be a good thing for a new game.

It does look like this game might not have the team composition flexibility of Marvel Crisis Protocol. These teams look much more set in stone, with the replayability of the game coming from collecting and playing different teams as opposed to a collection of individual superheroes with different synergies.

 Grot 6 wrote:
After seeing what this has turned into...
Thanks, but a hard pass. I'm sorry, but I can't take this seriously. The presentation here killed it. There doesn't seem to be a coherent plan, or decision making process in how this is being pushed out. Not to mention, no type of hype, or advertising on this.
With Legion, at least you had a full army to work with. Even if this is a Skirmish game, you would at least thought that both that you would be able to play it right away, and also, that there would be some advanced advertising, or Game Play from the usual suspects/shills.

Turned into?
They've only just started the announcements. There's literally no point in going hard on the marketing at this point in time given that nobody will be able to purchase the game for several months. Yopu can look forward to several months worth of pre-release hype slowly increasing as we get closer to the release date.

If you put your visceral reaction on it not being compatable with Legion aside for a few minutes and think about it logically, there's really nothing particularly bad about the info trickle we've just started to get.

Aeneades wrote:
The game isn’t coming out until next July. This is just the initial announcement. They have already said that rule previews will start in January...

Looks like I'll be waiting to January to make any real judgements on this...

Minis are pretty though.

 Grot 6 wrote:
After seeing what this has turned into...


Thanks, but a hard pass. I'm sorry, but I can't take this seriously. The presentation here killed it. There doesn't seem to be a coherent plan, or decision making process in how this is being pushed out. Not to mention, no type of hype, or advertising on this.

With Legion, at least you had a full army to work with. Even if this is a Skirmish game, you would at least thought that both that you would be able to play it right away, and also, that there would be some advanced advertising, or Game Play from the usual suspects/shills.

Is anyone even talking about this, aside from Dakka?

This isn't even a fresh take on the game. You might as well play this game with the figures you already have, in either WTC, or FFG scale.
THIS leads me to want to lean to play this game with old school 3 3/4 inch Star Wars figures. That 35mm scale creep that we are seeing in the "Industry" does not have any fans in my house. They might as well have made these figures 54mm, and we could see a reemergence of an updated Inquisitor style game.

The Lack of vision from Atomic Mass is going to kill this game within a year. From an experienced eye, I wouldn't touch this now, with a ten foot pole.

How many chili peppers - red hot, or otherwise - did you eat before trying to deliver the most spicy of hot takes?

I mean, Shatterpoint is barely past the "Look! New game coming!" stage, and you're already condemning it to the ninth circle of Hell for a number of factors that shouldn't be announced yet, if the game isn't out until July.

I'm probably not getting into Shatterpoint - might pick up a figure or two to paint, depending on pricing - but that post was ludicrous.

Guessing this will MSRP $179-189 with discount on-line sellers offering it at $149.

This part is sarcastic: Using GW logic, you are getting 16 primaris SW models valued at $15* each and $100 worth of terrain, so you are getting $240 worth of stuff at a HUGE discount, almost like the components are FREE. Who could possibly resist?!?!




*Guessing expansions will be $60 for the 4 models and game supplies.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
After seeing what this has turned into...


Thanks, but a hard pass. I'm sorry, but I can't take this seriously. The presentation here killed it. There doesn't seem to be a coherent plan, or decision making process in how this is being pushed out. Not to mention, no type of hype, or advertising on this.

With Legion, at least you had a full army to work with. Even if this is a Skirmish game, you would at least thought that both that you would be able to play it right away, and also, that there would be some advanced advertising, or Game Play from the usual suspects/shills.

Is anyone even talking about this, aside from Dakka?

This isn't even a fresh take on the game. You might as well play this game with the figures you already have, in either WTC, or FFG scale.
THIS leads me to want to lean to play this game with old school 3 3/4 inch Star Wars figures. That 35mm scale creep that we are seeing in the "Industry" does not have any fans in my house. They might as well have made these figures 54mm, and we could see a reemergence of an updated Inquisitor style game.

The Lack of vision from Atomic Mass is going to kill this game within a year. From an experienced eye, I wouldn't touch this now, with a ten foot pole.

How many chili peppers - red hot, or otherwise - did you eat before trying to deliver the most spicy of hot takes?

I mean, Shatterpoint is barely past the "Look! New game coming!" stage, and you're already condemning it to the ninth circle of Hell for a number of factors that shouldn't be announced yet, if the game isn't out until July.

I'm probably not getting into Shatterpoint - might pick up a figure or two to paint, depending on pricing - but that post was ludicrous.

Your opinion is noted.

However- I stick by what I said. THIS is not going to end well either, even with the "Discounts" claimed.

Additional- If you think that was "Spicy", you really don't know me that well. I was cautiously optimistic, until I saw both the prices, and the product presentation. Don't blame me for underwhelming.

I didn't even take my shoes off on the game, yet, but give it time- The topic is young.

 Grot 6 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
After seeing what this has turned into...


Thanks, but a hard pass. I'm sorry, but I can't take this seriously. The presentation here killed it. There doesn't seem to be a coherent plan, or decision making process in how this is being pushed out. Not to mention, no type of hype, or advertising on this.

With Legion, at least you had a full army to work with. Even if this is a Skirmish game, you would at least thought that both that you would be able to play it right away, and also, that there would be some advanced advertising, or Game Play from the usual suspects/shills.

Is anyone even talking about this, aside from Dakka?

This isn't even a fresh take on the game. You might as well play this game with the figures you already have, in either WTC, or FFG scale.
THIS leads me to want to lean to play this game with old school 3 3/4 inch Star Wars figures. That 35mm scale creep that we are seeing in the "Industry" does not have any fans in my house. They might as well have made these figures 54mm, and we could see a reemergence of an updated Inquisitor style game.

The Lack of vision from Atomic Mass is going to kill this game within a year. From an experienced eye, I wouldn't touch this now, with a ten foot pole.

How many chili peppers - red hot, or otherwise - did you eat before trying to deliver the most spicy of hot takes?

I mean, Shatterpoint is barely past the "Look! New game coming!" stage, and you're already condemning it to the ninth circle of Hell for a number of factors that shouldn't be announced yet, if the game isn't out until July.

I'm probably not getting into Shatterpoint - might pick up a figure or two to paint, depending on pricing - but that post was ludicrous.

Your opinion is noted.

However- I stick by what I said. THIS is not going to end well either, even with the "Discounts" claimed.

Additional- If you think that was "Spicy", you really don't know me that well. I was cautiously optimistic, until I saw both the prices, and the product presentation. Don't blame me for underwhelming.

I didn't even take my shoes off on the game, yet, but give it time- The topic is young.

Where did you see the prices? No pricing information has been released yet.

I can correlate with how much Crisis Protocol goes for, and compare that with how much FF is selling Legion stuff for now. The prices won't work, BTW, because your looking at Apples and Oranges comparing Marvel Superheroes to Star Wars.

I'm sure it'll be worth it to someone, but that someone isn't me.

Off the top of my head, My Boxed set for Crisis Protocol was around 80-89 bucks. Old Venom, Hulk, and MODOC was around 20-30 each.

Legion, I'm not into, but I see them at around 110, 120 in some places, maybe 100.00 on the low end.

Put it together with some educated guess, as to the market (Games like this are around 80-100 bucks).

 Grot 6 wrote:
I can correlate with how much Crisis Protocol goes for, and compare that with how much FF is selling Legion stuff for now. The prices won't work, BTW, because your looking at Apples and Oranges comparing Marvel Superheroes to Star Wars.

I'm sure it'll be worth it to someone, but that someone isn't me.

Off the top of my head, My Boxed set for Crisis Protocol was around 80-89 bucks. Old Venom, Hulk, and MODOC was around 20-30 each.

Legion, I'm not into, but I see them at around 110, 120 in some places, maybe 100.00 on the low end.

Put it together with some educated guess, as to the market (Games like this are around 80-100 bucks).

Do you mean AMG instead of FF? Fantasy Flight hasn't had Legion, Armada, or X-Wing for around two years now.

Probably, if that's who runs it now.

Locally, They killed it when whatever that fiasco was that twisted up X wing into a nit.

If FFG doesn't run them, now, you'd know better then I would. They ran me out of caring about Star Wars a long time ago.
Like I said, I don't play Star Wars, so I don't really keep on it.

I do have Crisis Protocol, though. If Atomic goes along with that distribution model, that's going to give you a base game, and then heroes by kit, a few a month.

Of note to you out there in the cheap seats, Here's what On The Tabletop has to say about it. They are a lot more charitable about it then I am.

Take note of the new figures they show in there, BTW. They show you about twelve or so other figures in there.

The game looks like it runs on par with Protocol's tone. where you have troops 3 to a base, and heroes are there to buff and fill in fire and debuffs. And yeah- you'll be throwing cars at each other...
Link-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbkszksoyV8

Aeneades wrote:
Along with the terrain this will be a pretty big starter box.

*ears poke up*

Terrain? Did someone say terrain? Are these the things in the background of all the mini shots, or have they shown off specific kits?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Aeneades wrote:
Along with the terrain this will be a pretty big starter box.

*ears poke up*

Terrain? Did someone say terrain? Are these the things in the background of all the mini shots, or have they shown off specific kits?

It’s the Necromunda like kit with walkways shown in the promo trailer. You seem to get a decent amount in the starter and appears to be modular.

They have a twitch announcement video with a game setup in the background which is apparently the starter terrain (I think it appears halfway through the video).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Aeneades wrote:
Along with the terrain this will be a pretty big starter box.

*ears poke up*

Terrain? Did someone say terrain? Are these the things in the background of all the mini shots, or have they shown off specific kits?

The stuff in the background is scratch built, per this post by Rob Hawkins, who was commissioned to make the desert board seen in it (side note- it also gives a clue as to the relative scale of the minis, as he says AMG commissioned it for Legion and Shatterpoint). The bridge etc. look like kits to me.

Legion human minis and MCP human minis are about the same height. The MCP bases are bigger (Shatterpoint bases have a similar rim to MCP bases, so they might be the same style).

First two terrain sets revealed.

It was hinted that a copy of the first is included in the starter but not confirmed yet.