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 rybackstun wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
Upon the initial info about this game I had more or less written it off, but as more information comes out I am becoming more intrigued about it, especially as a lot of people at my LGS have gotten pretty excited about it.

I’m pretty “meh” on the Clone Wars (especially the good guy factions), so hopefully they put out some GCW stuff pretty quickly. I’d love to have a Han/Chewy/Rebel Commando team or a Gideon/Dark Trooper/Death Troopers team.

If they take the same-ish pace they did with MCP, you'll see GCW next year.

But I think they know people want GCW factions sooner rather than later, so maybe a Holiday release for at least one Rebel and one Empire Squad (or two each).

I could live with that. It's not like I have about 200 miniatures laying around that need paint or anything.

Is there a confirmation on exactly what terrain is included in the core set? Especially compared to one of the terrain sets. Wondering if it might work out better to purchase two core sets over getting extra dice, rulers and a terrain pack...

MCP works out to only cost a small amount extra to buy a second core set over the dice, rulers and NYC terrain pack, though you only get one of the small building buying a second core, but you do get a second set of the models for alt costumes and conversion parts...

 Azazelx wrote:
Is there a confirmation on exactly what terrain is included in the core set? Especially compared to one of the terrain sets. Wondering if it might work out better to purchase two core sets over getting extra dice, rulers and a terrain pack...

MCP works out to only cost a small amount extra to buy a second core set over the dice, rulers and NYC terrain pack, though you only get one of the small building buying a second core, but you do get a second set of the models for alt costumes and conversion parts...

The core set terrain looks like it contains similar contents to the High Ground terrain pack which with extra dice and movement tools comes to $105 vs the Core Set's $165. In terms of content, the core set seems to contain slightly more. It's listed as 23 pieces of terrain vs the High Ground's 20, but its kind of hard to tell what that really means, since each crate is being treated as a separate piece of terrain. I see similar numbers of ladders and walkways though.

New article on gameplay today:

https://www.atomicmassgames.com/star-wars-transmissions/star-wars-shatterpoint-gameplay

Not a ton of specifrics unfortunately and the announcement of random activation order is going to be.... controversial, to say the least. I'll be curious to see how it really works out though, as with only 7 activations in the deck the reserve mechanic provides a decent amount of control.

Wait. So Shatterpoint is going to use movement tools and range tools, but Special Operations for Legion uses a tape measure for weapon ranges? Odd.

SpecOps is clearly a "no physical production costs" kind of product.

Hmmm. Not entirely sure how I feel about semi-random activation. The wild card and reserve rules balance that a bit.

Not dead set against. We'll have to see the rest of the rules.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
Wait. So Shatterpoint is going to use movement tools and range tools, but Special Operations for Legion uses a tape measure for weapon ranges? Odd.

Shatterpoint has always been AMG's take on Star Wars, built loosely on their M:CP model (and has been in development since before they got handed Asmodee's other SW content). Spec-Ops feels like a side project someone was working on in their downtime between projects or on their lunch breaks or something but has escalated into something more substantive (and it does look excellent). Might explain why it uses standardized measurements though it does indeed feel like a slight outlier. Possibly it's to add more granularity to the available weapons profiles; something that's not necessarily as desirable in Legion (where the streamlining helps move games along quicker) or Shatterpoint (which is seemingly supposed to be a fast paced hero-brawl).

 schoon wrote:
Hmmm. Not entirely sure how I feel about semi-random activation. The wild card and reserve rules balance that a bit.

Not dead set against. We'll have to see the rest of the rules.

Yeah, the small deck size and two significant control mechanisms (before taking into account character abilities) makes it a lot more palatable. It also makes the highly restrictive list building make a lot more sense.

 LunarSol wrote:
Yeah, the small deck size and two significant control mechanisms (before taking into account character abilities) makes it a lot more palatable. It also makes the highly restrictive list building make a lot more sense.

I've got the feeling that commanders might also be able to influence this mechanic somehow.

 schoon wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Yeah, the small deck size and two significant control mechanisms (before taking into account character abilities) makes it a lot more palatable. It also makes the highly restrictive list building make a lot more sense.

I've got the feeling that commanders might also be able to influence this mechanic somehow.

I think the support slot is really likely to see this. Rex, Cody, and the pair of Super Tactical Droids feel very well suited to this role out of the characters we've seen so far.

https://www.atomicmassgames.com/star-wars-transmissions/star-wars-shatterpoint-stat-card-overview

More interesting data for the game. I like the idea that as a unit takes damage it becomes harder for them to use their abilities.

Those cards at the end are spicy.

One thing I am worried about tho is Primary units being limited to Force Users only. I know they've mentioned that not all characters with Force Points will be Jedi/Sith, but everything shown so far looks like Primaries will always be big named force using characters. Which is fine for people who like stuff like that, but isn't great for people who are into gruntlines or specific non-force sensitive characters.

Neat rules. Characters have a lot of health. I've been trying to decipher the Stance cards and while they largely make sense and are potentially quite exciting, I'm not sure how the chart at the bottom works.

 rybackstun wrote:
https://www.atomicmassgames.com/star-wars-transmissions/star-wars-shatterpoint-stat-card-overview

More interesting data for the game. I like the idea that as a unit takes damage it becomes harder for them to use their abilities.

Those cards at the end are spicy.

One thing I am worried about tho is Primary units being limited to Force Users only. I know they've mentioned that not all characters with Force Points will be Jedi/Sith, but everything shown so far looks like Primaries will always be big named force using characters. Which is fine for people who like stuff like that, but isn't great for people who are into gruntlines or specific non-force sensitive characters.

We've already seen Grievous is going to be in the game and he's explicitly not a Force user. He's also the kind of character you don't make a non-Commander. Most characters in the OT aren't Force users either, so there will be plenty of non-Force options eventually.

 rybackstun wrote:
https://www.atomicmassgames.com/star-wars-transmissions/star-wars-shatterpoint-stat-card-overview

More interesting data for the game. I like the idea that as a unit takes damage it becomes harder for them to use their abilities.

Those cards at the end are spicy.

One thing I am worried about tho is Primary units being limited to Force Users only. I know they've mentioned that not all characters with Force Points will be Jedi/Sith, but everything shown so far looks like Primaries will always be big named force using characters. Which is fine for people who like stuff like that, but isn't great for people who are into gruntlines or specific non-force sensitive characters.

I don't think gruntlines are really going to be a thing in this game; it's explicitly focused on the big names brawling with troopers/droids as backup. CIS are probably going to be the faction that would feed most into any potential 'numerical advantage' playstyle and even then we've seen that consists of multiple droids on a single base.

Agree that it shouldn't be limited to just Force-Users as Primaries.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 rybackstun wrote:
https://www.atomicmassgames.com/star-wars-transmissions/star-wars-shatterpoint-stat-card-overview

More interesting data for the game. I like the idea that as a unit takes damage it becomes harder for them to use their abilities.

Those cards at the end are spicy.

One thing I am worried about tho is Primary units being limited to Force Users only. I know they've mentioned that not all characters with Force Points will be Jedi/Sith, but everything shown so far looks like Primaries will always be big named force using characters. Which is fine for people who like stuff like that, but isn't great for people who are into gruntlines or specific non-force sensitive characters.

We've already seen Grievous is going to be in the game and he's explicitly not a Force user. He's also the kind of character you don't make a non-Commander. Most characters in the OT aren't Force users either, so there will be plenty of non-Force options eventually.

Grevious is definitely the commander in that package. The box sets are all viable squads so its him or Super Tactical Droid Kraken and well.... obviously its Grevious.

Loads of reveals! Taken from Reddit so not sure who to credit for photos.

OK, the Ewok squad amuses me.

Those Inquisitors are excellent

 Dysartes wrote:
OK, the Ewok squad amuses me.

Same.

I'm really liking that Jabba's palace set with R2 as the drink server.

It seems like they're taking full advantage of all the costumes and settings.

I see Plo Koon and Mace Windu in there but no Aayla Secura, how can this be.

A little more info from Atomic Mass. There will be two Ewok squads, one with the droids and another lead by Leia.

I was already sold on the game with the contents of the base set.

I won't even buy half of that and I'm still insanely happy with what I see.

Just have to hope people don't tank the game because it's not one of the previous Star Wars games on the market.

HYPE!

MaxT wrote:
Those Inquisitors are excellent

Shame that they're the ones from Obi-Wan rather than the ones from Rebels.

Ghost Crew are cool, as is CW-era Ahsoka and Plo Koon.

If by "tank the game" you mean "don't buy it because I already have star wars games I'd rather play than this" then I'm guilty as charged I guess

Looks really promising that they are getting to the GCW so quickly.

Love to see the contents of the Han and Iden Versio pack. Iden I imagine will be Inferno Squad and I'm guessing Han will be Chewie and some rebel commandos?

I'm guessing Mando will be with Greef Karga and Cara Dune or Bill Burr's character.

I'm also guessing Vader is going to be pretty powerful as he gets a Storm trooper Sergeant as his support.

Really hoping we get a Andor/K2SO pack and a Director Krennic/Death Troopers pack soon.

I was kind of "meh" on this when first announced but I'm getting more and more excited about it.

There are some really nice sets in those photos.

For me, the Cad Bane set and Ghost crew stand out as unexpected but welcome.

If the game play is halfway solid...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

MaxT wrote:
Those Inquisitors are excellent

Shame that they're the ones from Obi-Wan rather than the ones from Rebels.

Ghost Crew are cool, as is CW-era Ahsoka and Plo Koon.

Given that there's still Seventh Sister, Ninth Sister, and Eighth Brother, we could definitely see another Inquisitor Squad down the line

Billicus wrote:
If by "tank the game" you mean "don't buy it because I already have star wars games I'd rather play than this" then I'm guilty as charged I guess

No, that's perfectly fine and your right as a consumer. I'm totally fine if people don't want to engage with the game if they have another game they like better, in fact I'd prefer that.

Tanking the game is intentionally hindering the growth of the community by doing everything they can to slam the game with zero intention of ever playing it and preventing other players from enjoying or interacting with the game. Sabotage effectively.

Not saying you are guilty of this, but there definitely are people who are trying to Sabotage the game as much as they can because they are upset and think (incorrectly) that it will take away from the game they already have.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

Apple fox wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
And the minis look so good! Ahh I want them.

I'm not really there yet myself, but I don't think I'd resist a box that comes with Death Troopers.

We'll have to see how that goes. The latest article makes me kind of hopeful that Galactic Civil War models don't have to be far off. As in AMG shouldn't feel compelled to release Clone Wars only before they move on to that. I mean, it's obviously prudent to talk about both eras in an article about force organization and have it in the core rules right from the start, so there is little reason to think so. But you know, I'd just like to read something into it.

It could be cool to have the game slowly move though the era, but I think at least there is so much in clone wars they may hold off on going head first. Especially if they can fill out legion a bit better as well, take there time to slowly work though it.

I feel like it would be better for them to release GCW stuff sooner rather than later, as it opens up the game to a larger audience.

I know that large portions of the Legion community didn't start until the Clone Wars era starter came out, since that was what they grew up with and wanted to play.

And while anecdotal, I really have zero interest in Shatterpoint until GCW minis come out, and I have heard that statement repeated online in other areas. Will be sticking to the new Special Operations game mode for Legion until that point.

Quoting myself because uhhh well, they called my bluff. Will be buying the Vader and Iden squads when they come out.

Thanks for the pics! I think I like Mace Windu and the Ewoks the most.