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Funny. They use the title of one of the darkest Clone Wars novels but it's visually based off the relatively light hearted series.

I only picked up the original trilogy, Mandalorian and crime syndicate for Legions so happy to pick this up for prequel era gaming. I think this will fit the clone wars style much better than Legion.

Put me in the not impressed camp. If this had been skirmish at the same model scale as legion I'd have been down but the scale change really just comes off as an attempt to get people to rebuy the same characters again.

Also it proves that amg can't move away from one vision of game style, I suppose to be fair to them they had no choice in getting the other games thrust on them but they haven't exactly covered themselves in glory in how they have handled them.

 Easy E wrote:
Might as well just pull out my action figures and use those for a game.....

You already can. The old WotC blind packed Star Wars CMG had double sided maps in the starters that was scaled specifically to use the 3.5 inch figures on the reverse side.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Weird name, is it a reference to something?

There was a novel Shatterpoint in the old SWEU.

 Azreal13 wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Miss opportunity to make models that could've worked in both systems.

Deliberately avoid making models cross compatible to avoid cannibalism of sales you mean?

Exactly. It's just common sense from a business standpoint, and the larger models give people a different hobby experience especially if they passed on Legion.

I absolutely love Legion, but I think I am going to pass on this one and put what I would have spent towards the Battletech Kickstarter launching darn near the same day at Adepticon.

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Miss opportunity to make models that could've worked in both systems.

Deliberately avoid making models cross compatible to avoid cannibalism of sales you mean?

Exactly. It's just common sense from a business standpoint, and the larger models give people a different hobby experience especially if they passed on Legion.

You wot? All other game makers do skirmish variants of their games as gateway 'drug' of sorts, when you already have a squad or two it's much easier to build bigger army or grab a hero or two you need for small scale battle. It's not hard concept, and ruining gateway potential of the game and splitting your customer base into smaller communities that can't reach mass effect is frakking dumb. Cannibalism? What? If anything, they are cannibalizing sales by ensuring customers don't keep spending to be able to play both systems but stay with one and to much smaller degree at that...

Something about this gives me big mongoose publishing before they pooped the bed vibes.

The Prequels are bad movies but they are saturated by an iconic array of licensing assets, which after all was the main point of making them. In this sense, and this sense alone, the PT may one day even outshine the OT. Launching Shatterpoint with Clone Wars content was a great choice. It’s an era of Star Wars defined by superheroic characters constantly engaged in melodramatic duels against the backdrop of a massive galactic war. It’s absolutely perfect for a revised version of Crisis Protocol. And although I really like the mechanics/gameplay of MCP, I’m just not into Marvel that much.

I’m looking forward to seeing whether AMD will support Shatterpoint with plastic terrain like they have MCP.

My only concern so far is digital sculptors overindulging on the scenic bases. For example, Grievous really does not need to be perched atop that huge rock. All these Pepsi and Coke Mandalorians flying around on columns of jetpack exhaust make me wonder whether there will even be any cover mechanic.

Additional rant: Looks VERY silly to complain about “making us buy the same characters again!” when the topic is Star Wars of all things. Mate, we’ve been buying the same characters non-stop for decades and decades. Most relevant to this context is the exact same complaints lodged when FFG announced Legion, that time regarding Imperial Assault. Once again, we’re talking about a different game, with its own scale and basing convention, with brand new sculpts. Sorry if you had already bought some Star Wars Lego , I guess?

This might appeal to me, I prefer skirmish/low model count games and SW legion doesn't really fit into that camp. I was quite happy with the minis and terrain from MCP as well and hopefully these are around the same quality.

Looks like it could be interesting. Legion never really appealed to me, and I had no interest in it. But depending on how the system feels, this might draw me in.

A Shatterpoint is a key moment where an individual's actions can change the course of events. Mace Windu could sense them with the force.

The miniatures look nice.

Will have to wait and see what the rules look like though...

 Manchu wrote:


I’m looking forward to seeing whether AMD will support Shatterpoint with plastic terrain like they have MCP.

They mention terrain in the AMG Transmission announcement video on twitch. You can see the models on some in the background but don’t get a close up however appears to be the modular Necromunda style terrain from the launch trailer. Some comes in the starter.

I’m tentatively excited for this. The models are ace and I actually like the scale, a bit easier to paint if nothing else.

The scale change seems dubious from a scenery perspective. If they still work with existing terrain I think I'll give it a shot but if I have to collect an entire new set of terrain for this game alone that would be bad. Inquisitor was amazing but nobody had terrain in that large scale so everyone just used regular scale figures. Inquisitor figures didn't sell and the game tanked.

Aeneades wrote:
You can see the models on some in the background

If it’s the same stuff as shown in the “trailer” then it looks very promising indeed.

How much bigger i would be interested in, but I am keen.

One issue we had found with legion is wth it focused on two era, it feels like it never got into ether for anything more than basic stuff.

If this enables them to at least put out some of the stranger stuff from during the clone wars then I all for it !

I am rather excited for this despite owning Legion beforehand.

What I am immediately drawn to is that "gang members"(clone troopers, Guards) seem to be a core feature that fight along the heroes. It reminds of the Batman Miniature game.

 Garfield666 wrote:
Looks like Star Wars: shattered Lightsabers.
Or will the figures be made of rubber? Some of them look very delicate, more suited to display models, then gaming pieces...

It's HIPS plastic and larger scale than Legion (which doesn't really have any issue with their lightsabers' robustness anyway) so shouldn't be a problem unless you drop them from a fair height or don't take the basic modicum of care handling them. I do think they've certainly accentuated the 'stretched' look of proportions by going with a Clone Wars style aesthetic so can see where you're coming from in terms of them looking more delicate than they probably will be in practice.

I am so into this.

I have two starter boxes and two painted armies for Legion but I haven't been able to get myself excited to play it. Too fiddly. Too many counters. Just doesn't feel quite right for some reason.

I also own Marvel Crisis Protocol and while I believe it's a good rules set it also doesn't hook me as it's a little abstract. It's like a boardgame masquerading as a miniatures game. And yet, I still buy and paint the minis. Why? Because they're really nice models and that's a fun scale for modeling.

So, this game. My first thought was that it was just going to be reskinned MCP - which is a bit of a turnoff. But one of the things mentioned in the announcement video was a focus on terrain. Not much more was mentioned but that it was mentioned at all really tells me that this will be something different from MCP - at least in that respect. So I'm cautiously optimistic. Worst case? They'll be making Star Wars minis in a fun scale to paint that I will really enjoy painting.


Marvel Crisis Protocol core set by Jay Adan, on Flickr


Kenobi and Clone Troopers by Jay Adan, on Flickr

I'd definitely agree that selling people the same models at two different scales cannibalizes your own sales, and I'd definitely agree that it causes a significant chunk of your core potential audience to just go "NOPE!" to your game, which also costs you significant sales.

It's an issue that goes very much by feel, if I own a big collection of 32mm models for a certain IP, would I refuse to build a collection of 10mm models for a game in the same IP? No, I would be fine owning both. But if I had a collection of Age of Sail ships at 1/1200, and then the same company tried to sell me the exact same ships at 1/1000? I'd never get onboard.

But I noticed MCP had tons of hype when it came out, yet started pretty slow. It required a lot of building miniatures, it was expensive, it didn't blow the door off the hinges at all in terms of sales. But AMG just had a persistent predation approach of "here's another cool model, here's another cool model, here's another cool model," until they just wore the market down and a decent number of people were buying their stuff. Maybe they can do that here.

I may be interested is some of the figures just to build, but I don't think there is anyone in my extended play group that is ready for another SW miniature game.

I do enjoy the CP miniatures, and despite there not being a play group for them locally, I have a large number of them assembled and painted. Perhaps the same will be true with this one.

And I just discovered this for those (like me) who were assuming that this was going to be some version of the Marvel Crisis Protocol rules set -

As long as they don't interpret their own announcement creatively...

... a new miniatures skirmish game that will join its existing catalog of Star Wars miniature games.

... and do something stupid like dropping Legion, I don't mind that Shatterpoint exists. I can see why they'd want to make their own Star Wars game (hookers and blackjack), so it's not terribly surprising that the models look like they have the same scale and style of bases as Crisis Protocol. They do go surprisingly easy on tactical rocks, but when they're there, boy are they there.

Personally I prefer Legion for being a small army game. I like a game that's about troops more than heroes, and has the side effect of being more "your dudes" friendly. On the other hand, I do appreciate that we're seeing Ahsoka, Luminara, Barriss, Asajj and Bo-Katan right from the start. It's been mentioned in the thread already, but FFG sure took their time adding characters to the lineup. Even if I prefer to play with my own characters, Star Wars revolves so heavily around its heroes that it's just silly not to get them by the truckload.

I do like that there still is a trooper component in the game. I suppose it doesn't make sense in Crisis Protocol since superheroes are effectively bulletproof, but it's good to see AMG acknowledge that a couple of guys with blasters can shoot up a Jedi. At least from the looks of it. We'll see what the rules have to say about trooper role.

I'm not excited for the game, but I might buy into it to paint the off model just like I did with Crisis Protocol. Remains to be seen, really, since I'm getting my Star Wars fix just fine with Legion models, and right now rather than next summer.

Focus on terrain while also being in a scale that nobody really makes terrain for is an odd one, unless they plan to make their own sets, which would be crazy given all the legion imperial bunkers gathering dust on store shelves around the world.


Having only just got the shadow collective stuff for Legion it's hard to be too upset by this as a Legion player, but it's not for me.

Focus on terrain while also being in a scale that nobody really makes terrain for is an odd one, unless they plan to make their own sets, which would be crazy given all the legion imperial bunkers gathering dust on store shelves around the world.

You seem to be arguing both sides of this. They shouldn't do this scale because terrain isn't currently sold in this scale. They shouldn't do this scale because terrain in another scale (where it is plentiful) doesn't sell.

The debate on the different scale to Legion will no doubt continue ad nauseam for some time.

That aside, I feel like this game at least has a place, offers something different to Legion and, arguably, something that better reflects a lot of the events of the franchise. I love Legion but I can also see the appeal of a game that encompasses things like small groups of Jedi & Sith duelling, Bounty Hunters going after their target in an isolated outpost or strike teams going after key military targets.

Even if it does end up taking a lot of core elements from M:CP, I won't complain. Not sure if this will be a major purchase for me but I can't grumble that it exists.

I'll probably be skipping this one. At least now we know why they all-but-killed Armada. Its because they wanted to waste their resources creating a new Star Wars game with an all new miniatures range instead of supporting the games they already had. They could have taken the GW Kill Team approach and used shatterpoint as a spring-board to launch new characters and character variants that would be cross-compatible with Legion without taking up Legion release slots on fan-fave characters that wouldn't necessarily add as much value to the game. It would have catered to two different audiences simultaneously which brings a lot more cost efficiency to both AMG and consumers, as they woudl have had a higher number of potential sales per kit. As others said, I'm not investing into a whole additional set of terrain for this game and I frankly don't need to buy an entire duplicated set of models that I already own, etc. I'm sure this game has its audience, I'm just not part of it.

 Togusa wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Excellent. Another Star Wars game in another scale by the very same company barely keeping up with what it already offers, and has maintained that by doing no new releases for at least one other Star Wars game.

This is sadly how capitalisms works. Main office says jump and the devs say Yes Ma'am and jump. No way that the dev team wanted this, and it's only going to bring in yet more work for a small team that is already overworked and likely underpaid for what they do.

100% the dev team wanted this. Will Schick and the AMG crew (if you followed their personal socials) were more excited about the opportunity to create *new* Star Wars games than they were about inheriting Legion/X-Wing/Armada. The legacy-FFG games are not their games, they don't get to say they created it and infused it with their design philosophy/dna, etc. When Legion is recognized as a top game they don't get to say "thanks, we designed that ourselves". Those games are basically the bastard red-headed step children that they were forced to take in. Shatterpoint on the other hand, is a game they created from the ground up that plays the way they want games to play.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Weird name, is it a reference to something?

Yes. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Shatterpoint

 Dullspork wrote:

Focus on terrain while also being in a scale that nobody really makes terrain for is an odd one, unless they plan to make their own sets, which would be crazy given all the legion imperial bunkers gathering dust on store shelves around the world.

You seem to be arguing both sides of this. They shouldn't do this scale because terrain isn't currently sold in this scale. They shouldn't do this scale because terrain in another scale (where it is plentiful) doesn't sell.

Terrain in more traditional scales absolutely sells, but the market for official stuff that is by definition more expensive because it bears licensing costs would appear at least to be smaller than that for 3rd party stuff that is just as good.