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tneva82 wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
And on top of that, they're gonna act like its some big news. Like we haven't known and seen the contents for well over half a year by then, and they wont be showing much else other than that. At least that's my gut feeling. Like yeah it sucks your cool box was leaked way before you planned to launch it, but I hope they recognize how broadly aware the community is about this box, and throw in some extra reveals to bump the hype back up.

You realise there's a huge population of users who don't use the internet for their hobby. Who might only glance at the GW site and not much else; who aren't using 3rd party stores or ebay or forums or even facebook groups for news. Many customers are much more casual than those on places like Dakka and often will get their first news at a GW reveal event or Community news post. Not to mention all the people who are not gamers or not 30K gamers today, but will or might be when the news goes formally out.

Nope I'm not aware of this massive population of people I would have no way of knowing about, how are you? I suppose it is entirely possible that 7 billion people discover GW tomorrow and not tell anyone on the internet lol. That's a pretty unassailable statement to make, and honestly I don't know what point you're getting at in regard to my post.

This box has been covered on every relevant forum, facebook group, and dozens of Youtube videos. Some are from channels the algorithm will throw at you just for typing in "Marine" (cough Valrak). What I'm getting at is that almost nobody is going to be surprised by this box, so it would be nice to show something else alongside it when its finally officially revealed (for the people we can actually quantify).


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Its looking more like 40 MKVI and 10 Cataphracti in the box.

And in shocking newsflash: As hard as it might be to believe for forum goers the forum goers aren't majority. Nor are tournament player. If GW target market would be forum goer size they wouldn't be making nearly as much profit as they do. Questionable would they even make profit...

How many timmy 12yo's you see post here btw? Those are the main targets GW aims for.

A 12 year old Timmy wouldn't browse GW's official communication channels in the first place, now would he? Majority of people that actually keep up with reveals, be it through Warhammer Community or GW's YouTube or Twitch are forum-dwellers. And they all know about the box.

beast_gts wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

Also:

Its looking more like 40 MKVI and 10 Cataphracti in the box.

Where you getting 40/10 from? I can imagine the Cataphract are more than 5 (the way they are spaced, plus there are some yellow blurs that are likely more of them) but the PA guys look to number around 30 to me.

/Edit - Actually no you are correct, I see 30 SoH marines and 10 IF now that I look more closely.

I think people are assuming 30/5 because that's what the previous boxes had, and it's hard to tell from the photos (but the inclusion of the Spartan makes this a much bigger box anyway).

Yeah the composite pic clearly shows 6 Cataphract plus 2 blurs that are very likely +2 more, and also 30 green marines and 6 yellow marines plus Captain (therefore must assume there's another 5ish yellows out of shot), so the total is definitely closer to 40/10 than 30/5.

JWBS wrote:
/Edit - Actually no you are correct, I see 30 SoH marines and 10 IF now that I look more closely.

You guys seriously believe there will be 40 SM, 10 TDA, 3 HQ, Spartan, Contemptor, plus books/board/extras in new HH box?

That thing would need box bigger than the Warlord Titan and be first GW release after infamous SM chapter bundle to reach 4 digits...

 Nevelon wrote:
If you are looking to start playing marines, they can be a great on-ramp. My son’s fist box was Betrayal at Calth. He was 12.

Calth offered actual discount. We don't do that here now, and I can't see it reversing for the most expensive game GW makes.

 Irbis wrote:

JWBS wrote:
/Edit - Actually no you are correct, I see 30 SoH marines and 10 IF now that I look more closely.

You guys seriously believe there will be 40 SM, 10 TDA, 3 HQ, Spartan, Contemptor, plus books/board/extras in new HH box?

That thing would need box bigger than the Warlord Titan and be first GW release after infamous SM chapter bundle to reach 4 digits...

Meh, i can see GW going for it. There's sure a lot of people that would eat it up.

 Irbis wrote:

JWBS wrote:
/Edit - Actually no you are correct, I see 30 SoH marines and 10 IF now that I look more closely.

You guys seriously believe there will be 40 SM, 10 TDA, 3 HQ, Spartan, Contemptor, plus books/board/extras in new HH box?

Nope. If it's real ( ) I can see it been a base box of 30/5 plus HQs & Contemptor with the Spartan being seperate (possibly bundled with more troops). They did something similar with Dark Vengeance IIRC.

beast_gts wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

JWBS wrote:
/Edit - Actually no you are correct, I see 30 SoH marines and 10 IF now that I look more closely.

You guys seriously believe there will be 40 SM, 10 TDA, 3 HQ, Spartan, Contemptor, plus books/board/extras in new HH box?

Nope. If it's real ( ) I can see it been a base box of 30/5 plus HQs & Contemptor with the Spartan being seperate (possibly bundled with more troops). They did something similar with Dark Vengeance IIRC.

43 footsloggers (one directly below the dread not marked), two of them characters, minimum 8 termies, 35 marines, so I reckon 35/8 for sure, likely 40/10. One hundred percent definitely a legit image.

 Irbis wrote:

JWBS wrote:
/Edit - Actually no you are correct, I see 30 SoH marines and 10 IF now that I look more closely.

You guys seriously believe there will be 40 SM, 10 TDA, 3 HQ, Spartan, Contemptor, plus books/board/extras in new HH box?

That thing would need box bigger than the Warlord Titan and be first GW release after infamous SM chapter bundle to reach 4 digits...

 Nevelon wrote:
If you are looking to start playing marines, they can be a great on-ramp. My son’s fist box was Betrayal at Calth. He was 12.

Calth offered actual discount. We don't do that here now, and I can't see it reversing for the most expensive game GW makes.

When GW puts out an actual box, not just a 1-click, 0-saving web offer, it normally has a discount on it. How good of one is up to debate, depending a lot on how you feel about the contents. B@C was great, because as a marine player you could use 100% of the box. The Prospero one had issues of faction locked characters, and the custodes and SoS, which not everyone could use.

If everything in the pic is in the box, it’s looking like what, $500-$600 in product? I could see GW selling it for $250. If it is selling as a 30k starter set, those often offer crazy good discounts. Loss leader to get people into the game. Get them hooked on cheep plastic, then send them over to FW for the resin.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:


Im literally saying it would be nice to see something extra for all the ACTUAL THOUSANDS of people who have known about this for months now. And its not just "Fourm goer population" I listed, Youtube, Facebook groups (theres 1-2 large ones for every fething legion), and yes also forums. These are quantifiable numbers of people aware of this box. Why are you even arguing against my statement lol?

You realise that's impossible right? If GW had to add things to every release every time the release got leaked; keeping in mind that it takes months to ramp up toward a release in the first place, they'd forever be adding things which would then be potentially leaked meaning they'd have to add more. If you learn about stuff in advance of a release that's nice, but you shouldn't be greedy and expect more just because you found out the info early. That's like expecting extra Christmas presents because you peeked on Christmas Eve.

The picture is legit, but doesn't mean everything pictured will be bundled in only one box. As some marines seems to be barely visible in the background, doesn't look like a "here is what you get" description.
Reminds me more of a picture like this, where they show a bit of everything following a new release :

 Irbis wrote:

JWBS wrote:
/Edit - Actually no you are correct, I see 30 SoH marines and 10 IF now that I look more closely.

You guys seriously believe there will be 40 SM, 10 TDA, 3 HQ, Spartan, Contemptor, plus books/board/extras in new HH box?

That thing would need box bigger than the Warlord Titan and be first GW release after infamous SM chapter bundle to reach 4 digits...

Indeed, I would be really surprised if it happens.

 Nevelon wrote:
Loss leader to get people into the game. Get them hooked on cheep plastic, then send them over to FW for the resin.

Nah this will be the start of a whole plastic HH system I think. Depending on how popular this initial release is, they can spin it out indefinitely (obviously they'll be well into the design phase for stage two by this point given that they're pretty much at production stage for this first wave, and they'll be assessing how (or if) there's a phase 3+ when the numbers from this set come in. I think that's why this set is so massive - to get us all to commit heavily, with a big value proposition. It'll be like Dark Uprising (which I thought was amazing but didn't do especially well for a few obvious reasons), only this time it will be for a mainline game with an offering entirely of minis and not the terrain focus we had with DU. I think DU was their most expensive box ever and gave some people sticker shock, but those same people will swallow this set at a similar price w/o any qualms.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
What possible use would a 12 year old Timmy have for a 30k starter set? Most Warhammer fans are grown man.

As for the leak, the leaking of this Heresy stuff got me jump-started on a Blackshields project and honestly, it's looking like it'll be finished before this box/range even gets teased let alone released.
It's been what? 4 months and not a single ounce of acknowledgement or rumour teases.

30 Marines/5 Terminators/2 HQ/Contemptor/Tank seems far more likely. I think people are reading too much into all the other Marines in the background.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
30 Marines/5 Terminators/2 HQ/Contemptor/Tank seems far more likely. I think people are reading too much into all the other Marines in the background.

It looks like the back of the box or some other kind of promotional shot for it with the ‘… not included’ (scenery probably) in the bottom corner. They’re usually pretty representative of what you actually get, rather than a big presentation shot with a load of extra models.

IDK it could just as easily be one of the interior setting-the-scene shots that slightly dramatize the models vs. what comes in the box to make it look more epic and give you aspirational ideas how to expand/encourage you to buy buy buy.

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 ImAGeek wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
30 Marines/5 Terminators/2 HQ/Contemptor/Tank seems far more likely. I think people are reading too much into all the other Marines in the background.

It looks like the back of the box or some other kind of promotional shot for it with the ‘… not included’ (scenery probably) in the bottom corner. They’re usually pretty representative of what you actually get, rather than a big presentation shot with a load of extra models.

Well spotted, I think that "Scenery not included" sells this even more as a product/contents illustration rather than just a magazine spread or something like that.

Would be a monster set if that's all included. I was sad that it wasn't announced at the weekend, I actually tuned in for the first time ever in hopes of seeing it.

Oh well, got plenty to paint already

Worth considering that GW has now added launch boxes to their portfolio of big boxed sets. While both Indomitus and Dominion were divided into two armies, something that is not typically a concern for Horus Heresy unless GW goes out of their way to make Mechanicus. Imperial Army or Talons the second faction, a sizable force of Marines in a single box at a good discount wouldn't be out of line with these launch boxes. The Land Raider stands out as a large model that has no direct equivalent, although Necrons got a walker and Sigmarines a big centerpiece character. 52ish infantry, on the other hand, is a credible model count based on those boxes.

The box may end up a really good deal and the start of Horus Heresy as a mainline game, but that doesn't mean GW has to keep it around for more than a few weeks. That makes the higher model count estimate more likely in my opinion.

Something I've been wondering about is that maybe there will be something to the rumor of the Horus Heresy range potentially going mainstream.

There was an express callout of Cybernetica assets in Octarius book I. Thanatars, Domitars, and Vorax were all explicitly mentioned as being "some of the rare examples" being utilized by the Mechanicus forces.

Really? And it wasn't just the Castellans? Hot damn I need that book.

It definitely 40/10 in the picture. I wouldn't think it's outlandish. That's either two full tactical squads or four vet tac squads. Im foolishly hoping they continue the discount trend from the last boxes, but I do not expect this to be a $150 box like before.

X40 Tactical Marines = $200

X10 Cataphracti = $130

Contemptor = $60

X2 Characters = $60

Spartan = $100?

Looking at retail value of roughly $550


Calth was:

X30 Tactical Marines = $150

X5 Cataphracti = $65

Contemptor = $60

X2 Characters = $60

Total $335


Prospero was:

X30 Tactical Marines = $150

X5 Tartaros Terminators = $60

X5 Custodian Guard = $60

X5 Silent Sisters = $50

X2 Characters = $60

Total $390



Both Prospero and Calth were $150 boxes that were around for a year + each. And these irrefutably sold like crazy, and for good reason.

Im not expecting a $150 box, but assuming they follow the trend, we are looking at a $250-$275 box and that is a monstrous deal and completely reasonable. I am just praying they dont go path of "launch box" or limited. Let it stick around for a year or so like the last boxes or AT GME. Dont put a harsh time gate for people getting into your most expensive game system.

If this is truly the box in question?



I'd expect this to be the "Launch Box", with a Preorder Promise in place for MTO to happen and then an actual "Starter Set" to come later, with a mix of different items.

It's worth noting that Prospero and Calth were both board games. They had a ton of models certainly, but they also were considered board games first and foremost...and Prospero lasted a lot longer than Calth did because of the Custodes+Sisters of Silence plus the two named characters.


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 Gert wrote:
Really? And it wasn't just the Castellans? Hot damn I need that book.

Yeah, don't get too excited it's just a brief mention in the orders of battle.

JWBS wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

JWBS wrote:
/Edit - Actually no you are correct, I see 30 SoH marines and 10 IF now that I look more closely.

You guys seriously believe there will be 40 SM, 10 TDA, 3 HQ, Spartan, Contemptor, plus books/board/extras in new HH box?

Nope. If it's real ( ) I can see it been a base box of 30/5 plus HQs & Contemptor with the Spartan being seperate (possibly bundled with more troops). They did something similar with Dark Vengeance IIRC.

43 footsloggers (one directly below the dread not marked), two of them characters, minimum 8 termies, 35 marines, so I reckon 35/8 for sure, likely 40/10. One hundred percent definitely a legit image.

I'm 99% sure the composite is incorrect. The minis don't fully scale with eachother across photos. The termies with the Spartan in the back right, for example, are smaller than the regular marines in the foreground image in a way that doesn't make sense even within the context of perspective. I also don't know that it makes sense for their to be two separate piles of dice there (one in the foreground, the other in back). Theres also very slight differences in camera angle of the product photos if you look carefully (look at the dice in the two photos, they are not photographed at the same angle - this isn't an issue with whoever photographed the product packaging in the warehouse or whatever, this is an issue with the product photography itself that was done in the studio, indicating these photos do not belong to the same shot.


I'm gonna blow your mind - there are multiple starting boxes for Heresy in the same vein as the Recruit/Elite/Commander edition for 40k and the Warrior/Harbinger/Extremis set for Age of Sigmar. What you're seeing there are photos from at least two of those boxes.

 sigismund22 wrote:
The picture is legit, but doesn't mean everything pictured will be bundled in only one box. As some marines seems to be barely visible in the background, doesn't look like a "here is what you get" description.
Reminds me more of a picture like this, where they show a bit of everything following a new release :

Two things:
1. Note the absence of dice and measuring tools, etc. in the photo you posted and others like it.
2. Note in the lower left hand of the photo "xxx not included" (likely "scenery not included" or "terrain not included) iirc theres a slightly more zoomed out photo where you can see the whole statement.

There's custom symbols on that one die, are they used in the main 30K game? If not I'd assume its a board game like Calth. Which would also explain the delay if there are supply chain issues on the board game components and they don't want another Cursed City.

deano2099 wrote:
There's custom symbols on that one die, are they used in the main 30K game?

The one far right? It's a scatter dice.

beast_gts wrote:

deano2099 wrote:
There's custom symbols on that one die, are they used in the main 30K game?

The one far right? It's a scatter dice.

Which implies no huge changes to the rules either, certainly not changing to 9th edition.

There were rumors in Summer about 7th Edition Ruleset with 8th/9th Datasheets.

Box or not, GW had me with rescaled mk6 and a Contemptor that's not the Calth thing.

There is a new Valrak Vid about HH Box Sets:

chaos0xomega wrote:

Two things:
1. Note the absence of dice and measuring tools, etc. in the photo you posted and others like it.
2. Note in the lower left hand of the photo "xxx not included" (likely "scenery not included" or "terrain not included) iirc theres a slightly more zoomed out photo where you can see the whole statement.

The dices and subtext tend to confirm this is the back of a box indeed, you are right. The image grouping must be wrong then. The bottom right clear picture is obviously correct, the land raider one could be too but the dices next to it seems a bit odd.