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2021/09/10 13:39:43
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I think if you're thinking of Warhammer + as a streaming service and nothing else then you're not really thinking of it in the right way.
It's NOT a streaming service.
It's a pair of game apps; video streaming, magazine/publication back access, model+voucher service all in one.
If you compare any one element to a similar "monthly paid for" service then its never going to compare favourably for all of them. We can compare it to any of the big TV studios and it will NEVER amount to value for money purely as a streaming service in terms of volume of material. Even if GW spent every bit of profit they'd still have to take, what, 30-40 years to build up the kind of library the TV studios have. It's just not on the cards to even compete.
So you've got to consider the price as the whole package deal, even if you, the individual, only want to interact with one part of it.
I do agree I'm surprised AoS doesn't feature as much either; then again I think its because 40K is the lions share of everything and because when GW was likely pitching and designing the animations, AoS was just nothing back then; meanwhile 40K has so many options they are spoilt for choice. Who knows this might mean that hte AoS stuff ends up technically better as its made with a higher budget as a result of Warhammer+ doing well as an investment.
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2021/09/10 13:52:45
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Yeah, those are pretty good arguments.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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2021/09/10 14:00:57
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Flashy Flashgitz
North Carolina
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So if you subscribe what do you get in the 40K app exactly?
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2021/09/10 14:02:49
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Stalwart Dark Angels Space Marine
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Overread wrote:
So you've got to consider the price as the whole package deal, even if you, the individual, only want to interact with one part of it.
No, we don't have to consider that as individuals only wanting to interact with one part of the service. That is quite literally the opposite of what people do when considering something's subjective value.
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2021/09/10 14:10:16
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Germany
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"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
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2021/09/10 14:18:49
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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Overread wrote:So you've got to consider the price as the whole package deal, even if you, the individual, only want to interact with one part of it.
I would have to... if I had to do an official review of it, or something. I'll do a "my needs" review, which is kind of all I'm interested in.
I'd wager that it will be what would matter to anyone actually pondering a subscription ("Is this worth it to me?", not "is this objectively worth it?"), because after all it's what makes sense.
Also, most of that is only interesting if you're an actual player/painter/maybe minis collector, but that leaves out a lot of people that likes the different GW setting's lore.
For example, I roleplay with a group on which most are very big HH novels fans, but don't have a single mini or have played a single physical GW game. Would this be interesting to them? Would they have to consider the price of the whole package deal to see if it's worth it for them to subscribe?
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2021/09/10 16:33:57
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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I actually disagree and wholeheartedly believe it was pitched as a streaming service, the animations got all the attention in promotion, with the addition of battle reports, painting guides and lore videos, but the animation was pitched as the premier aspect. The addition of the vault was never really fleshed out and was to me advertised as an added bonus not a core component.
This attempt by others to now say it isn't just a streaming service is not the product we were sold upon... I have a subscription, I'll keep my subscription for a while, but the animation numbers need to pick up, and quick. If it is one episode per series, per week, I won't be keeping it for the full year, cool vindicare model or not.
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My hobby instagram account: @the_shroud_of_vigilance
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2021/09/10 16:36:14
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Yeah its thew whole package that really turns me off personally.
As it stands I would welcome a more muscular GW investment on the stream side of the package since, let's face it, its the novelty here. Miniatures, WD and apps we already have. A channel with everything in it not so much.
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2021/09/10 17:11:19
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Germany
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I wonder if the exclusive minis were always planned to be WH+ exclusives, or if they were originally planned to be for something else. Because if they were always planned to be for WH+, they must have planned out this thing many years in advance.
And yet they made so little content.
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"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
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2021/09/10 17:36:03
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Huge Bone Giant
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Wha-Mu-077 wrote:I wonder if the exclusive minis were always planned to be WH+ exclusives, or if they were originally planned to be for something else. Because if they were always planned to be for WH+, they must have planned out this thing many years in advance.
And yet they made so little content.
I'll keep this to the Vindicare since I haven't much looked at the fat orc for lack of interest, but most of the CAD assets for the assassin and the statue would have existed already and the model isn't released until a year from now. They would have had to get started at the beginning of the year if we apply the minimum of 18 months lead time for army updates, which is a conservative estimate based on existing production processes more than strict needs to get a single model for each system into production.
The models give no useful indication of when Warhammer+ was conceived, one way or another.
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2021/09/10 17:57:55
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Lord Kragan wrote:Tavis75 wrote:
How much original content was there on Disney+ when it launched, a few episodes of The Mandalorian? Anything else?
In addition to the mandalorian (which averaged 40 minutes per episode) they did
a) a mockumentary (about 35 minutes per episode)
b) 6 series of shorts (about 8 minutes per episode, on average, per 6)
c) about 4 docuseries (one with 60 minutes per episode, 3 of 25 minutes per episode, on average)
d) a reality show (60 minutes per episode.)
So, during the first month of disney+, the original content ascended to:
mandalorian: 40x4= 160
mockumentary: 35x4= 140
shorts: 8x4x6= 192
docuseries: 60x4+ 3x4x25= 540
reality show= 60 x 4= 240
Or, in total: 160+140+192+540+240 = 1272 minutes of material or, in other words, 21 hours of newly made material... which must be combined with the gargantuan back catalogue they had.
Warhammer+? By the end of the month we will have 4 hours of content. Period. It doesn't compare.
You're right, it doesn't compare. In every other way, Disney+ is completely eclipsed by Warhammer+:
Disney+ miniatures= 0. Warhammer+ = 1
Disney+ gaming apps = 0. Warhammer+ = 1 so far, 1 to come
Disney+ archive written content = 0. Warhammer+ = 60 so far
Disney+ event stuff = 0. Warhammer+ = 0 so far but some to come
Warhammer+ is a GW subscription service. It's contains streaming certainly, but it is not purely a streaming service. A direct comparison is false either way you look at it.
P.S. I subscribe to Disney+ and enjoy their content. But i don't get pissed off with them that they're not delivering other things
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2021/09/10 18:24:56
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Brutal Black Orc
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MaxT wrote:Lord Kragan wrote:Tavis75 wrote:
How much original content was there on Disney+ when it launched, a few episodes of The Mandalorian? Anything else?
In addition to the mandalorian (which averaged 40 minutes per episode) they did
a) a mockumentary (about 35 minutes per episode)
b) 6 series of shorts (about 8 minutes per episode, on average, per 6)
c) about 4 docuseries (one with 60 minutes per episode, 3 of 25 minutes per episode, on average)
d) a reality show (60 minutes per episode.)
So, during the first month of disney+, the original content ascended to:
mandalorian: 40x4= 160
mockumentary: 35x4= 140
shorts: 8x4x6= 192
docuseries: 60x4+ 3x4x25= 540
reality show= 60 x 4= 240
Or, in total: 160+140+192+540+240 = 1272 minutes of material or, in other words, 21 hours of newly made material... which must be combined with the gargantuan back catalogue they had.
Warhammer+? By the end of the month we will have 4 hours of content. Period. It doesn't compare.
You're right, it doesn't compare. In every other way, Disney+ is completely eclipsed by Warhammer+:
Disney+ miniatures= 0. Warhammer+ = 1
Disney+ gaming apps = 0. Warhammer+ = 1 so far, 1 to come
Disney+ archive written content = 0. Warhammer+ = 60 so far
Disney+ event stuff = 0. Warhammer+ = 0 so far but some to come
Warhammer+ is a GW subscription service. It's contains streaming certainly, but it is not purely a streaming service. A direct comparison is false either way you look at it.
P.S. I subscribe to Disney+ and enjoy their content. But i don't get pissed off with them that they're not delivering other things
This is the most sad and pathetic retort i have seen in years.
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2021/09/10 18:31:27
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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So you have no response, so go for an ad hominem instead?
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2021/09/10 18:36:03
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Brutal Black Orc
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MaxT wrote:So you have no response, so go for an ad hominem instead?
Well, can't help but state the strong impression your post has made. XD
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2021/09/10 18:55:23
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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Well, if you do a full comparison, then, including things like old magazines and what not... the full back catalog of Disney + (with the included Pixar, National Geographic and Star channels, and remembering that it includes Disney, but also Marvel and everything Sta Wars) would still be thousands of times (literal thousands) bigger.
And well, as I said above, for many of the fans of the Warhammer settings, which are not gamers but still like the settings... some of the magazines will be interesting, but the miniatures, gaming apps and probably the events will mean jack and gak to them.
At the end of the day, what is inclued will mean to some people, and will be dead weight to some other. Expecting the second group to think that the added stuff includes value is, IMHO, ludicrous.
But in the same vein, expecting the first group not to find value on that stuff is equally ludicrous, so there's that.
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2021/09/10 19:35:35
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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Possibly stupid question, but looking at the Vault offering, it looks like you get the last two years of White Dwarf editions. Given the price of a White Dwarf subscription, wouldn’t Warhammer+ be a better option?
Or am I missing something?
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2021/09/10 19:39:28
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
UK
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Gordy2000 wrote:Possibly stupid question, but looking at the Vault offering, it looks like you get the last two years of White Dwarf editions. Given the price of a White Dwarf subscription, wouldn’t Warhammer+ be a better option?
Or am I missing something?
Right now the price of a White Dwarf Subscription gives you a few bonuses
1) You can read them as they come out, not in a years time through the Vault
2) You get a physical product, whilst the vault is fully digital - along with all the risks and benefits that brings. Eg the Vault could go away one day and if you don't pay for a month you'd also lose access - your physical WD though won't just vanish.
That said I'm honestly considering switching over and I wonder if Warhammer+ might actually be the thing that kills off WD. I'm a big fan of print media, but at the same time I've found less and less to engage with at times with WD and things like short stories are something I can easily catch up on in the vault in a years time.
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2021/09/10 19:45:10
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Off the shoulder of Orion
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Thanks Overread. I used to have a WD subscription but storing the copies became an issue (plus they jacked up the price here).
In NZ, Warhammer+ is less than a WD subscription and the Vault is only a couple of months behind in editions, so it’s worth considering for that alone.
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2021/09/10 23:29:52
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Is there a link to each facet of the subscription.
So the website to get the magazines and e content.
And a website for the animations etc?
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2021/09/11 00:36:31
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Flashy Flashgitz
North Carolina
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So you actually get all of the rules and don't have to pay for codices?
Either way I doubt it is better than Wahapedia.
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2021/09/11 01:23:37
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Overread wrote:I think if you're thinking of Warhammer + as a streaming service and nothing else then you're not really thinking of it in the right way.
It's NOT a streaming service.
It's a pair of game apps; video streaming, magazine/publication back access, model+voucher service all in one.
If you compare any one element to a similar "monthly paid for" service then its never going to compare favourably for all of them. We can compare it to any of the big TV studios and it will NEVER amount to value for money purely as a streaming service in terms of volume of material. Even if GW spent every bit of profit they'd still have to take, what, 30-40 years to build up the kind of library the TV studios have. It's just not on the cards to even compete.
So you've got to consider the price as the whole package deal, even if you, the individual, only want to interact with one part of it.
I do agree I'm surprised AoS doesn't feature as much either; then again I think its because 40K is the lions share of everything and because when GW was likely pitching and designing the animations, AoS was just nothing back then; meanwhile 40K has so many options they are spoilt for choice. Who knows this might mean that hte AoS stuff ends up technically better as its made with a higher budget as a result of Warhammer+ doing well as an investment.
Ignoring your blatant misrepresentation of how GW has been spruiking warhammer plus
Yes, oh wow stand in awe of the value lads, as the service includes an already developed 40k app(which should have been FREE in the first place) which has terrible ratings of 1.9 stars on google play and 1.7 on the apple store.
An app so bad, it forced GW, of all companies, to drop the price and when that didn't work....chuck it into warhammer plus
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2021/09/11 01:34:58
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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So how would "Warhammer+" compare to say a "Silver" vault plan (~$10 per month) with https://www.miniwargaming.com/?
These guys also have an extensive back-catalogue and arguably has done more for the community in added content.
Just throwing this out there for those who want a bit more meat on their 40k bones.
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2021/09/11 03:19:22
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Terrifying Doombull
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Overread wrote:I think if you're thinking of Warhammer + as a streaming service and nothing else then you're not really thinking of it in the right way.
I think you don't need to tell people how they _need_ to think of a product someone is trying to sell them.
Just accept that they don't want what you are peddling on behalf of GW.
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2021/09/11 05:22:26
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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phandaal wrote: Overread wrote:
So you've got to consider the price as the whole package deal, even if you, the individual, only want to interact with one part of it.
No, we don't have to consider that as individuals only wanting to interact with one part of the service. That is quite literally the opposite of what people do when considering something's subjective value.
Well if you artificially drop most of content of course it's going to drop value.
If you artificially drop 99.9999% shows in netfiix is netflix worth it?
Disney+ launah. Take only shorts. Was disney+ worth it? Can't consider rest. Just shorts.
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2021/09/11 05:47:10
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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It was fun when the Techmarine showed up at the docking area to see what was going on. MaxT wrote:So you have no response, so go for an ad hominem instead?
He didn't say you were sad and pathetic, he said your post was. There's a difference. And it was, because your comparisons were very silly. I could just as easily go: Disney+ MCU movies = 22. Warhammer+ MCU movies = 0 ... and it would be just as true, and just as meaningless. Don't make vacuous fallacy arguments.
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2021/09/11 10:04:30
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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I think people are going to compare it with the closest thing they can think off, problem is this bundle of things is just too random.
I mean a mini, an app that helps with a tabletop game, digital magazine and some small reviews and anims all bundled into Warhammer+... Its almost like they have a collection of random bits put them all in one box and ask for subs to drop feed the content monthly. None of those random bits alone would justify a sub.
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2021/09/11 10:09:54
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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NAVARRO wrote:I think people are going to compare it with the closest thing they can think off, problem is this bundle of things is just too random.
I mean a mini, an app that helps with a tabletop game, digital magazine and some small reviews and anims all bundled into Warhammer+... Its almost like they have a collection of random bits put them all in one box and ask for subs to drop feed the content monthly. None of those random bits alone would justify a sub.
And all of them will only be interesting for a subset of people.But you pay them all (except the mini, maybe? Can you not get it and get a discount?)
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2021/09/11 10:21:54
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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Additionally, in regards to the Warhammer+ vs Disney+ launch content and new series... The Mandalorian is a far far far superior product than anything GW will probably ever be capable of producing, it also had a lot more hype and excitement around it also, so the quality justifies the price and low turnover of series (initially), Angels of Death and Hammer and Bolter are subjectively 25% of the quality of the mandalorian at best and the cost of the service is not 25% of Disney+. Quality and quantity matter, but one can pay for lapses in the other, Warhammer+ isn't hitting the mark either way at the moment.
You absolutely cannot compare really, especially when Warhammer+ were announcing 12 or so stand alone series they had in production, and we've seen 2 so far and zero idea when the others will come.
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My hobby instagram account: @the_shroud_of_vigilance
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2021/09/11 14:58:25
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Comparing Disney and Games Workshop in any way is laughable.
Disney-
Founded in 1923
American Corporation with a net worth of $337 billion(macro trends.net)
12 theme parks
Known for its film studio division which includes- Pixar, Lucasfilm, 20th Century, Marvel Studios, and Searchlight
Games Workshop-
Founded in 1975
British corporation with a net worth of $485 million(googled and converted pound sterling to dollars)
1 exhibition
Started as a board game manufacturer and now produces high quality miniatures
We might as well shut down warhammer world while we shut down the app.
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2021/09/11 15:12:34
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
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Second Story Man
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GW started as European distributor of D&D
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