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DeadlySquirrel wrote:That sinking feeling when this should be moved to off topic...

That sinking feeling when it will probably just get locked instead...

The sinking feeling when nobody does the obvius and actually starts a new sinking feeling thread in th ot

......

.....dont expect me to do it! Im too lazy!

Okay, on the 100th page we'll start a new one.

killykavekommando wrote:Okay, on the 100,000th page we'll start a new one.

Fix'd

That sinking feeling when the holiday ends.

When *That* song comes on the radio/ TV/ Electric cat with a speaker implanted, kinda like this guy:


Whe you have to have ^^ in your army.

...When you're a conservative democrat (that's me!)
...When you have OCD towards obtaining knowledge and you're on a 2 week break. I'm not kidding, my mind goes nuts if I don't obtain large amounts of information every day. When I was in 5th grade, it got so bad that I snuck an Algebra text book out of the respective classroom and into my desk. I finished reading it in a week.

MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:

We don't use grenades much, probably because we both use electric guns and have no reason to buy propane. I've heard they're really cool though. If I had more time before I left home, I'd invest in one or two for fun

I'm thinking about getting like ten low-cap M4 mags (usually like twenty rounds) and playing "real" games where you have to conserve rather than just blasting away on full auto the whole game.

We use all AEGs as well, but some Army reservist was on my team temporarily for one game. I prefer super-high cap mags of about 650 rounds, and I carry 2-3 of them per game. I'm thinking of getting and airsoft M14. Does anyone know how those are? Which company makes the best for the money?.

I've fired a real m14. Holy hell it had some kick to it. Fired beautifully.

Classic army makes a real wood one that's quite nice for somewhere in the $300s. Some are cheaper, but have polymer bodies, and run about $260.

Might be able to find a springer for cheap though. Makes it feel more like a marksmanship rifle that way, haha.

http://www.evike.com/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=m14&x=0&y=0&manufacturers_id=

Love evike. They're great. So's airsoftgi.com

Haven't used any airsoft M14s, they are mostly all good quality, I've held most at my near-local store.
Yeah, the real ones are probably the most beautiful rifles imo, they are tremendously unwieldy (full-auto, mostly) due to the relative lightness (weight) of the weapon coupled with the strength of the 7.62 cartridge. The M60 fires the same exact round and has a very gentle kick compared to almost any other weapon that fires it (mostly due to the 20+ pounds of steel and aluminum)

...when you notice that you wrote more about the actual gun than the airsoft model...

M14's are pretty heavy actually, comparatively speaking

I was comparing it to other weapons that "successfully" utilize the 7.62NATO cartridge, there aren't very many battle-rifles that do so (save the FN SCAR-H and FN FAL) I find it to be more effective in LMGs rather than BRs.


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When you watch the movie "Office Space" twice in a row.

So anyway, I recently played a game with someone at my local GW. This was possibly one of the worst games of my life.
Apparently:

His Veterans can have JP for free.
He can have an armour 13 all-around flyer with 3 TL Lascannons.
Iron Halos now have a 3++
A PF whose in the same squad, but not within 2" of my Dreadnought, can apparently attack my rear armour
It's legal for him to have a PF on an ordinary Assault Marine, and his Sergeant to have a PW.
Plasma Pistols don't get hot

And he can spend an entire turn whining about how I tried to shoot a building but he hadn't agreed we could do that. After I tried to point my shots towards another target, which he refused to allow me because I shot the building.

Also when your Xbox 360 gets the Red Ring of Death for the 3rd/4th time since I got it.

Squidmanlolz wrote:

MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:

We don't use grenades much, probably because we both use electric guns and have no reason to buy propane. I've heard they're really cool though. If I had more time before I left home, I'd invest in one or two for fun

I'm thinking about getting like ten low-cap M4 mags (usually like twenty rounds) and playing "real" games where you have to conserve rather than just blasting away on full auto the whole game.

We use all AEGs as well, but some Army reservist was on my team temporarily for one game. I prefer super-high cap mags of about 650 rounds, and I carry 2-3 of them per game. I'm thinking of getting and airsoft M14. Does anyone know how those are? Which company makes the best for the money?.

I've fired a real m14. Holy hell it had some kick to it. Fired beautifully.

Classic army makes a real wood one that's quite nice for somewhere in the $300s. Some are cheaper, but have polymer bodies, and run about $260.

Might be able to find a springer for cheap though. Makes it feel more like a marksmanship rifle that way, haha.

http://www.evike.com/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=m14&x=0&y=0&manufacturers_id=

Love evike. They're great. So's airsoftgi.com

Haven't used any airsoft M14s, they are mostly all good quality, I've held most at my near-local store.
Yeah, the real ones are probably the most beautiful rifles imo, they are tremendously unwieldy (full-auto, mostly) due to the relative lightness (weight) of the weapon coupled with the strength of the 7.62 cartridge. The M60 fires the same exact round and has a very gentle kick compared to almost any other weapon that fires it (mostly due to the 20+ pounds of steel and aluminum)

...when you notice that you wrote more about the actual gun than the airsoft model...

M14's are pretty heavy actually, comparatively speaking

I was comparing it to other weapons that "successfully" utilize the 7.62NATO cartridge, there aren't very many battle-rifles that do so (save the FN SCAR-H and FN FAL) I find it to be more effective in LMGs rather than BRs.


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When you watch the movie "Office Space" twice in a row.

Right, but how can you compare the weight of a BR to the weight of a LMG? If your comparing it to other BR's that fire the 7.62x51 such as the SCAR, the SCAR is close to half the weight of the M14. You would have to compare it to another battle-rifle most of which (generally speaking) weigh in around 7 lbs (give or take) where as the M14 weighs in at 11+.

But yeah full auto on a battle-rifle is just a terrible idea anyways. Aside from that and the weight the M14 is an excellent platform, been considering building a M1a for awhile now.


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When you cant decide on a warband for your army.. everythings either red or black or doesnt fit because of cult troops.

When you realise that medal you just saw for £20, It's worth about £800

...when you mess up tzeentch's plans

ajax22 wrote:...when you mess up tzeentch's plans

I see bad things in your future

Great White wrote:

ajax22 wrote:...when you mess up tzeentch's plans

I see bad things in your future

Tzeentch liked those pants. They were his favorite.

killykavekommando wrote:...When you're a conservative democrat (that's me!)
...When you have OCD towards obtaining knowledge and you're on a 2 week break. I'm not kidding, my mind goes nuts if I don't obtain large amounts of information every day. When I was in 5th grade, it got so bad that I snuck an Algebra text book out of the respective classroom and into my desk. I finished reading it in a week.

That's why I read cracked.com


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MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:

We don't use grenades much, probably because we both use electric guns and have no reason to buy propane. I've heard they're really cool though. If I had more time before I left home, I'd invest in one or two for fun

I'm thinking about getting like ten low-cap M4 mags (usually like twenty rounds) and playing "real" games where you have to conserve rather than just blasting away on full auto the whole game.

We use all AEGs as well, but some Army reservist was on my team temporarily for one game. I prefer super-high cap mags of about 650 rounds, and I carry 2-3 of them per game. I'm thinking of getting and airsoft M14. Does anyone know how those are? Which company makes the best for the money?.

I've fired a real m14. Holy hell it had some kick to it. Fired beautifully.

Classic army makes a real wood one that's quite nice for somewhere in the $300s. Some are cheaper, but have polymer bodies, and run about $260.

Might be able to find a springer for cheap though. Makes it feel more like a marksmanship rifle that way, haha.

http://www.evike.com/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=m14&x=0&y=0&manufacturers_id=

Love evike. They're great. So's airsoftgi.com

Haven't used any airsoft M14s, they are mostly all good quality, I've held most at my near-local store.
Yeah, the real ones are probably the most beautiful rifles imo, they are tremendously unwieldy (full-auto, mostly) due to the relative lightness (weight) of the weapon coupled with the strength of the 7.62 cartridge. The M60 fires the same exact round and has a very gentle kick compared to almost any other weapon that fires it (mostly due to the 20+ pounds of steel and aluminum)

...when you notice that you wrote more about the actual gun than the airsoft model...

M14's are pretty heavy actually, comparatively speaking

I was comparing it to other weapons that "successfully" utilize the 7.62NATO cartridge, there aren't very many battle-rifles that do so (save the FN SCAR-H and FN FAL) I find it to be more effective in LMGs rather than BRs.


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When you watch the movie "Office Space" twice in a row.

Right, but how can you compare the weight of a BR to the weight of a LMG? If your comparing it to other BR's that fire the 7.62x51 such as the SCAR, the SCAR is close to half the weight of the M14. You would have to compare it to another battle-rifle most of which (generally speaking) weigh in around 7 lbs (give or take) where as the M14 weighs in at 11+.

But yeah full auto on a battle-rifle is just a terrible idea anyways. Aside from that and the weight the M14 is an excellent platform, been considering building a M1a for awhile now.


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When you cant decide on a warband for your army.. everythings either red or black or doesnt fit because of cult troops.

Personally, I've found that H&K weapons have the best yield.

And I agree, full auto is useless. The only real reason to have that instead of semi-auto is that you can:

A. Fire short bursts for more severe damage on a target (not a consideration needed for airsoft)
or
B. Have a reasonable chance of hitting something even though you are on the move and don't have a chance to line up a perfect shot.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:So anyway, I recently played a game with someone at my local GW. This was possibly one of the worst games of my life.
Apparently:

His Veterans can have JP for free.
He can have an armour 13 all-around flyer with 3 TL Lascannons.
Iron Halos now have a 3++
A PF whose in the same squad, but not within 2" of my Dreadnought, can apparently attack my rear armour
It's legal for him to have a PF on an ordinary Assault Marine, and his Sergeant to have a PW.
Plasma Pistols don't get hot

And he can spend an entire turn whining about how I tried to shoot a building but he hadn't agreed we could do that. After I tried to point my shots towards another target, which he refused to allow me because I shot the building.

Also when your Xbox 360 gets the Red Ring of Death for the 3rd/4th time since I got it.

Wow sounds like someone should read their codex before they play. every last one of those is so far from wrong that it begs the question if he even touched the rulebook.

When you realize that someday you may have to play some one like this guy

im2randomghgh wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:...When you're a conservative democrat (that's me!)
...When you have OCD towards obtaining knowledge and you're on a 2 week break. I'm not kidding, my mind goes nuts if I don't obtain large amounts of information every day. When I was in 5th grade, it got so bad that I snuck an Algebra text book out of the respective classroom and into my desk. I finished reading it in a week.

That's why I read cracked.com


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MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:

We don't use grenades much, probably because we both use electric guns and have no reason to buy propane. I've heard they're really cool though. If I had more time before I left home, I'd invest in one or two for fun

I'm thinking about getting like ten low-cap M4 mags (usually like twenty rounds) and playing "real" games where you have to conserve rather than just blasting away on full auto the whole game.

We use all AEGs as well, but some Army reservist was on my team temporarily for one game. I prefer super-high cap mags of about 650 rounds, and I carry 2-3 of them per game. I'm thinking of getting and airsoft M14. Does anyone know how those are? Which company makes the best for the money?.

I've fired a real m14. Holy hell it had some kick to it. Fired beautifully.

Classic army makes a real wood one that's quite nice for somewhere in the $300s. Some are cheaper, but have polymer bodies, and run about $260.

Might be able to find a springer for cheap though. Makes it feel more like a marksmanship rifle that way, haha.

http://www.evike.com/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=m14&x=0&y=0&manufacturers_id=

Love evike. They're great. So's airsoftgi.com

Haven't used any airsoft M14s, they are mostly all good quality, I've held most at my near-local store.
Yeah, the real ones are probably the most beautiful rifles imo, they are tremendously unwieldy (full-auto, mostly) due to the relative lightness (weight) of the weapon coupled with the strength of the 7.62 cartridge. The M60 fires the same exact round and has a very gentle kick compared to almost any other weapon that fires it (mostly due to the 20+ pounds of steel and aluminum)

...when you notice that you wrote more about the actual gun than the airsoft model...

M14's are pretty heavy actually, comparatively speaking

I was comparing it to other weapons that "successfully" utilize the 7.62NATO cartridge, there aren't very many battle-rifles that do so (save the FN SCAR-H and FN FAL) I find it to be more effective in LMGs rather than BRs.


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When you watch the movie "Office Space" twice in a row.

Right, but how can you compare the weight of a BR to the weight of a LMG? If your comparing it to other BR's that fire the 7.62x51 such as the SCAR, the SCAR is close to half the weight of the M14. You would have to compare it to another battle-rifle most of which (generally speaking) weigh in around 7 lbs (give or take) where as the M14 weighs in at 11+.

But yeah full auto on a battle-rifle is just a terrible idea anyways. Aside from that and the weight the M14 is an excellent platform, been considering building a M1a for awhile now.


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When you cant decide on a warband for your army.. everythings either red or black or doesnt fit because of cult troops.

Personally, I've found that H&K weapons have the best yield.

And I agree, full auto is useless. The only real reason to have that instead of semi-auto is that you can:

A. Fire short bursts for more severe damage on a target (not a consideration needed for airsoft)
or
B. Have a reasonable chance of hitting something even though you are on the move and don't have a chance to line up a perfect shot.

Basically, you have to understand the circumstances though.

Full auto is basically only used for suppressive fire, great for light machine guns/heavier weapon systems because thats pretty much their entire function is to provide suppressive fire. The other use is for counter charges which falls under suppressive fire again.

Battle rifles aren't designed to provide much more than limited or momentary suppressive fire, the only use a battle-rifle has for full auto is in a smaller carbine (ie: m4, configurable AK's) and the only reason that is, is because they are used by troops who need the functionality of a smg without the need to carry a smg for putting alot of rounds down a hallway or through a door into a room, suppression on the run (CQ, Urban operations, that sort of thing) however in cases like the AK's the opposite is true since they can be used in suppressive role more like a traditional LMG. So basically the idea behind full-auto on a battle rifle is versatility, however the use for this is very limited to your more elite small squad operations, and even then they usually gear specifically for whatever role.

..when you realize you have no idea how to talk without using run on sentances.

MartiniPunk wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:...When you're a conservative democrat (that's me!)
...When you have OCD towards obtaining knowledge and you're on a 2 week break. I'm not kidding, my mind goes nuts if I don't obtain large amounts of information every day. When I was in 5th grade, it got so bad that I snuck an Algebra text book out of the respective classroom and into my desk. I finished reading it in a week.

That's why I read cracked.com


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MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:

We don't use grenades much, probably because we both use electric guns and have no reason to buy propane. I've heard they're really cool though. If I had more time before I left home, I'd invest in one or two for fun

I'm thinking about getting like ten low-cap M4 mags (usually like twenty rounds) and playing "real" games where you have to conserve rather than just blasting away on full auto the whole game.

We use all AEGs as well, but some Army reservist was on my team temporarily for one game. I prefer super-high cap mags of about 650 rounds, and I carry 2-3 of them per game. I'm thinking of getting and airsoft M14. Does anyone know how those are? Which company makes the best for the money?.

I've fired a real m14. Holy hell it had some kick to it. Fired beautifully.

Classic army makes a real wood one that's quite nice for somewhere in the $300s. Some are cheaper, but have polymer bodies, and run about $260.

Might be able to find a springer for cheap though. Makes it feel more like a marksmanship rifle that way, haha.

http://www.evike.com/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=m14&x=0&y=0&manufacturers_id=

Love evike. They're great. So's airsoftgi.com

Haven't used any airsoft M14s, they are mostly all good quality, I've held most at my near-local store.
Yeah, the real ones are probably the most beautiful rifles imo, they are tremendously unwieldy (full-auto, mostly) due to the relative lightness (weight) of the weapon coupled with the strength of the 7.62 cartridge. The M60 fires the same exact round and has a very gentle kick compared to almost any other weapon that fires it (mostly due to the 20+ pounds of steel and aluminum)

...when you notice that you wrote more about the actual gun than the airsoft model...

M14's are pretty heavy actually, comparatively speaking

I was comparing it to other weapons that "successfully" utilize the 7.62NATO cartridge, there aren't very many battle-rifles that do so (save the FN SCAR-H and FN FAL) I find it to be more effective in LMGs rather than BRs.


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When you watch the movie "Office Space" twice in a row.

Right, but how can you compare the weight of a BR to the weight of a LMG? If your comparing it to other BR's that fire the 7.62x51 such as the SCAR, the SCAR is close to half the weight of the M14. You would have to compare it to another battle-rifle most of which (generally speaking) weigh in around 7 lbs (give or take) where as the M14 weighs in at 11+.

But yeah full auto on a battle-rifle is just a terrible idea anyways. Aside from that and the weight the M14 is an excellent platform, been considering building a M1a for awhile now.


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When you cant decide on a warband for your army.. everythings either red or black or doesnt fit because of cult troops.

Personally, I've found that H&K weapons have the best yield.

And I agree, full auto is useless. The only real reason to have that instead of semi-auto is that you can:

A. Fire short bursts for more severe damage on a target (not a consideration needed for airsoft)
or
B. Have a reasonable chance of hitting something even though you are on the move and don't have a chance to line up a perfect shot.

Basically, you have to understand the circumstances though.

Full auto is basically only used for suppressive fire, great for light machine guns/heavier weapon systems because thats pretty much their entire function is to provide suppressive fire. The other use is for counter charges which falls under suppressive fire again.

Battle rifles aren't designed to provide much more than limited or momentary suppressive fire, the only use a battle-rifle has for full auto is in a smaller carbine (ie: m4, configurable AK's) and the only reason that is, is because they are used by troops who need the functionality of a smg without the need to carry a smg for putting alot of rounds down a hallway or through a door into a room, suppression on the run (CQ, Urban operations, that sort of thing) however in cases like the AK's the opposite is true since they can be used in suppressive role more like a traditional LMG. So basically the idea behind full-auto on a battle rifle is versatility, however the use for this is very limited to your more elite small squad operations, and even then they usually gear specifically for whatever role.

..when you realize you have no idea how to talk without using run on sentances.

I'm looking at the Socom style one with the abs stock. I has a slightly shorter barrel and I believe 3 round burst capabilities (helpful?)

...When you cut your lip while shaving.
...When you die while holding diamond armor and diamond tools in mine craft.
...When you are addicted to Arrested Development.
...When there's six months until Prometheus comes out.

MartiniPunk wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:...When you're a conservative democrat (that's me!)
...When you have OCD towards obtaining knowledge and you're on a 2 week break. I'm not kidding, my mind goes nuts if I don't obtain large amounts of information every day. When I was in 5th grade, it got so bad that I snuck an Algebra text book out of the respective classroom and into my desk. I finished reading it in a week.

That's why I read cracked.com


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MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:

We don't use grenades much, probably because we both use electric guns and have no reason to buy propane. I've heard they're really cool though. If I had more time before I left home, I'd invest in one or two for fun

I'm thinking about getting like ten low-cap M4 mags (usually like twenty rounds) and playing "real" games where you have to conserve rather than just blasting away on full auto the whole game.

We use all AEGs as well, but some Army reservist was on my team temporarily for one game. I prefer super-high cap mags of about 650 rounds, and I carry 2-3 of them per game. I'm thinking of getting and airsoft M14. Does anyone know how those are? Which company makes the best for the money?.

I've fired a real m14. Holy hell it had some kick to it. Fired beautifully.

Classic army makes a real wood one that's quite nice for somewhere in the $300s. Some are cheaper, but have polymer bodies, and run about $260.

Might be able to find a springer for cheap though. Makes it feel more like a marksmanship rifle that way, haha.

http://www.evike.com/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=m14&x=0&y=0&manufacturers_id=

Love evike. They're great. So's airsoftgi.com

Haven't used any airsoft M14s, they are mostly all good quality, I've held most at my near-local store.
Yeah, the real ones are probably the most beautiful rifles imo, they are tremendously unwieldy (full-auto, mostly) due to the relative lightness (weight) of the weapon coupled with the strength of the 7.62 cartridge. The M60 fires the same exact round and has a very gentle kick compared to almost any other weapon that fires it (mostly due to the 20+ pounds of steel and aluminum)

...when you notice that you wrote more about the actual gun than the airsoft model...

M14's are pretty heavy actually, comparatively speaking

I was comparing it to other weapons that "successfully" utilize the 7.62NATO cartridge, there aren't very many battle-rifles that do so (save the FN SCAR-H and FN FAL) I find it to be more effective in LMGs rather than BRs.


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When you watch the movie "Office Space" twice in a row.

Right, but how can you compare the weight of a BR to the weight of a LMG? If your comparing it to other BR's that fire the 7.62x51 such as the SCAR, the SCAR is close to half the weight of the M14. You would have to compare it to another battle-rifle most of which (generally speaking) weigh in around 7 lbs (give or take) where as the M14 weighs in at 11+.

But yeah full auto on a battle-rifle is just a terrible idea anyways. Aside from that and the weight the M14 is an excellent platform, been considering building a M1a for awhile now.


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When you cant decide on a warband for your army.. everythings either red or black or doesnt fit because of cult troops.

Personally, I've found that H&K weapons have the best yield.

And I agree, full auto is useless. The only real reason to have that instead of semi-auto is that you can:

A. Fire short bursts for more severe damage on a target (not a consideration needed for airsoft)
or
B. Have a reasonable chance of hitting something even though you are on the move and don't have a chance to line up a perfect shot.

Basically, you have to understand the circumstances though.

Full auto is basically only used for suppressive fire, great for light machine guns/heavier weapon systems because thats pretty much their entire function is to provide suppressive fire. The other use is for counter charges which falls under suppressive fire again.

Battle rifles aren't designed to provide much more than limited or momentary suppressive fire, the only use a battle-rifle has for full auto is in a smaller carbine (ie: m4, configurable AK's) and the only reason that is, is because they are used by troops who need the functionality of a smg without the need to carry a smg for putting alot of rounds down a hallway or through a door into a room, suppression on the run (CQ, Urban operations, that sort of thing) however in cases like the AK's the opposite is true since they can be used in suppressive role more like a traditional LMG. So basically the idea behind full-auto on a battle rifle is versatility, however the use for this is very limited to your more elite small squad operations, and even then they usually gear specifically for whatever role.

..when you realize you have no idea how to talk without using run on sentances.

M4s and AKs aren't Battle-rifles, they use lower velocity rounds, they are Assault rifles. Battle-rifles themselves are far less versatile than ARs as they are typically larger and have considerably greater recoil, while assault rifles can be a good deal smaller and easier to use at full-auto because the have lower velocity ammo and less stopping-power.

When people form a quote pyramid talking about something that isnt on topic

...your a pedo whos the guest of honor at a party by Chaos terminators of Khorne.
...your a banker invited to a march.
...Your learning to play warhammer from a guy that nobody else at the shop will play with.

I don't think the actual function of a real firearm should have too much to do with how you use it in airsoft. If you want to play sniper with an m249, go for it. If you want to play SAW with your high ROF M4, go for it. t

You know that sinking feeling when you paid for a knife that was supposed to be factory sharpened to be razor sharp, yet it won't even go through a cardboard box, and now you have to spend seven dollars on a sharpener

ksjdnk

killykavekommando wrote:

MartiniPunk wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:...When you're a conservative democrat (that's me!)
...When you have OCD towards obtaining knowledge and you're on a 2 week break. I'm not kidding, my mind goes nuts if I don't obtain large amounts of information every day. When I was in 5th grade, it got so bad that I snuck an Algebra text book out of the respective classroom and into my desk. I finished reading it in a week.

That's why I read cracked.com


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MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:

We don't use grenades much, probably because we both use electric guns and have no reason to buy propane. I've heard they're really cool though. If I had more time before I left home, I'd invest in one or two for fun

I'm thinking about getting like ten low-cap M4 mags (usually like twenty rounds) and playing "real" games where you have to conserve rather than just blasting away on full auto the whole game.

We use all AEGs as well, but some Army reservist was on my team temporarily for one game. I prefer super-high cap mags of about 650 rounds, and I carry 2-3 of them per game. I'm thinking of getting and airsoft M14. Does anyone know how those are? Which company makes the best for the money?.

I've fired a real m14. Holy hell it had some kick to it. Fired beautifully.

Classic army makes a real wood one that's quite nice for somewhere in the $300s. Some are cheaper, but have polymer bodies, and run about $260.

Might be able to find a springer for cheap though. Makes it feel more like a marksmanship rifle that way, haha.

http://www.evike.com/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=m14&x=0&y=0&manufacturers_id=

Love evike. They're great. So's airsoftgi.com

Haven't used any airsoft M14s, they are mostly all good quality, I've held most at my near-local store.
Yeah, the real ones are probably the most beautiful rifles imo, they are tremendously unwieldy (full-auto, mostly) due to the relative lightness (weight) of the weapon coupled with the strength of the 7.62 cartridge. The M60 fires the same exact round and has a very gentle kick compared to almost any other weapon that fires it (mostly due to the 20+ pounds of steel and aluminum)

...when you notice that you wrote more about the actual gun than the airsoft model...

M14's are pretty heavy actually, comparatively speaking

I was comparing it to other weapons that "successfully" utilize the 7.62NATO cartridge, there aren't very many battle-rifles that do so (save the FN SCAR-H and FN FAL) I find it to be more effective in LMGs rather than BRs.


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When you watch the movie "Office Space" twice in a row.

Right, but how can you compare the weight of a BR to the weight of a LMG? If your comparing it to other BR's that fire the 7.62x51 such as the SCAR, the SCAR is close to half the weight of the M14. You would have to compare it to another battle-rifle most of which (generally speaking) weigh in around 7 lbs (give or take) where as the M14 weighs in at 11+.

But yeah full auto on a battle-rifle is just a terrible idea anyways. Aside from that and the weight the M14 is an excellent platform, been considering building a M1a for awhile now.


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When you cant decide on a warband for your army.. everythings either red or black or doesnt fit because of cult troops.

Personally, I've found that H&K weapons have the best yield.

And I agree, full auto is useless. The only real reason to have that instead of semi-auto is that you can:

A. Fire short bursts for more severe damage on a target (not a consideration needed for airsoft)
or
B. Have a reasonable chance of hitting something even though you are on the move and don't have a chance to line up a perfect shot.

Basically, you have to understand the circumstances though.

Full auto is basically only used for suppressive fire, great for light machine guns/heavier weapon systems because thats pretty much their entire function is to provide suppressive fire. The other use is for counter charges which falls under suppressive fire again.

Battle rifles aren't designed to provide much more than limited or momentary suppressive fire, the only use a battle-rifle has for full auto is in a smaller carbine (ie: m4, configurable AK's) and the only reason that is, is because they are used by troops who need the functionality of a smg without the need to carry a smg for putting alot of rounds down a hallway or through a door into a room, suppression on the run (CQ, Urban operations, that sort of thing) however in cases like the AK's the opposite is true since they can be used in suppressive role more like a traditional LMG. So basically the idea behind full-auto on a battle rifle is versatility, however the use for this is very limited to your more elite small squad operations, and even then they usually gear specifically for whatever role.

..when you realize you have no idea how to talk without using run on sentances.

I'm looking at the Socom style one with the abs stock. I has a slightly shorter barrel and I believe 3 round burst capabilities (helpful?)

...When you cut your lip while shaving.
...When you die while holding diamond armor and diamond tools in mine craft.
...When you are addicted to Arrested Development.
...When there's six months until Prometheus comes out.

Burst fire is by far my favourite firing mode, not sure why. Once you give it a go, you'll get the hang of it.

...When there's several months until phalanx comes out.

This one?
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=2911

Cyma is alright. Haven't checked out their AEGs yet.

When you read a 3 page thread about wound allocation where one man is too stubborn to admit that he is not right about how they work

Squidmanlolz wrote:

MartiniPunk wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:...When you're a conservative democrat (that's me!)
...When you have OCD towards obtaining knowledge and you're on a 2 week break. I'm not kidding, my mind goes nuts if I don't obtain large amounts of information every day. When I was in 5th grade, it got so bad that I snuck an Algebra text book out of the respective classroom and into my desk. I finished reading it in a week.

That's why I read cracked.com


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MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:

We don't use grenades much, probably because we both use electric guns and have no reason to buy propane. I've heard they're really cool though. If I had more time before I left home, I'd invest in one or two for fun

I'm thinking about getting like ten low-cap M4 mags (usually like twenty rounds) and playing "real" games where you have to conserve rather than just blasting away on full auto the whole game.

We use all AEGs as well, but some Army reservist was on my team temporarily for one game. I prefer super-high cap mags of about 650 rounds, and I carry 2-3 of them per game. I'm thinking of getting and airsoft M14. Does anyone know how those are? Which company makes the best for the money?.

I've fired a real m14. Holy hell it had some kick to it. Fired beautifully.

Classic army makes a real wood one that's quite nice for somewhere in the $300s. Some are cheaper, but have polymer bodies, and run about $260.

Might be able to find a springer for cheap though. Makes it feel more like a marksmanship rifle that way, haha.

http://www.evike.com/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=m14&x=0&y=0&manufacturers_id=

Love evike. They're great. So's airsoftgi.com

Haven't used any airsoft M14s, they are mostly all good quality, I've held most at my near-local store.
Yeah, the real ones are probably the most beautiful rifles imo, they are tremendously unwieldy (full-auto, mostly) due to the relative lightness (weight) of the weapon coupled with the strength of the 7.62 cartridge. The M60 fires the same exact round and has a very gentle kick compared to almost any other weapon that fires it (mostly due to the 20+ pounds of steel and aluminum)

...when you notice that you wrote more about the actual gun than the airsoft model...

M14's are pretty heavy actually, comparatively speaking

I was comparing it to other weapons that "successfully" utilize the 7.62NATO cartridge, there aren't very many battle-rifles that do so (save the FN SCAR-H and FN FAL) I find it to be more effective in LMGs rather than BRs.


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When you watch the movie "Office Space" twice in a row.

Right, but how can you compare the weight of a BR to the weight of a LMG? If your comparing it to other BR's that fire the 7.62x51 such as the SCAR, the SCAR is close to half the weight of the M14. You would have to compare it to another battle-rifle most of which (generally speaking) weigh in around 7 lbs (give or take) where as the M14 weighs in at 11+.

But yeah full auto on a battle-rifle is just a terrible idea anyways. Aside from that and the weight the M14 is an excellent platform, been considering building a M1a for awhile now.


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When you cant decide on a warband for your army.. everythings either red or black or doesnt fit because of cult troops.

Personally, I've found that H&K weapons have the best yield.

And I agree, full auto is useless. The only real reason to have that instead of semi-auto is that you can:

A. Fire short bursts for more severe damage on a target (not a consideration needed for airsoft)
or
B. Have a reasonable chance of hitting something even though you are on the move and don't have a chance to line up a perfect shot.

Basically, you have to understand the circumstances though.

Full auto is basically only used for suppressive fire, great for light machine guns/heavier weapon systems because thats pretty much their entire function is to provide suppressive fire. The other use is for counter charges which falls under suppressive fire again.

Battle rifles aren't designed to provide much more than limited or momentary suppressive fire, the only use a battle-rifle has for full auto is in a smaller carbine (ie: m4, configurable AK's) and the only reason that is, is because they are used by troops who need the functionality of a smg without the need to carry a smg for putting alot of rounds down a hallway or through a door into a room, suppression on the run (CQ, Urban operations, that sort of thing) however in cases like the AK's the opposite is true since they can be used in suppressive role more like a traditional LMG. So basically the idea behind full-auto on a battle rifle is versatility, however the use for this is very limited to your more elite small squad operations, and even then they usually gear specifically for whatever role.

..when you realize you have no idea how to talk without using run on sentances.

M4s and AKs aren't Battle-rifles, they use lower velocity rounds, they are Assault rifles. Battle-rifles themselves are far less versatile than ARs as they are typically larger and have considerably greater recoil, while assault rifles can be a good deal smaller and easier to use at full-auto because the have lower velocity ammo and less stopping-power.

...when the person your discussing things with says assault rifle.

...when the person your discussing things with wildly contradicts himself.

not trying to be rude but this just became pointless.

MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

MartiniPunk wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:...When you're a conservative democrat (that's me!)
...When you have OCD towards obtaining knowledge and you're on a 2 week break. I'm not kidding, my mind goes nuts if I don't obtain large amounts of information every day. When I was in 5th grade, it got so bad that I snuck an Algebra text book out of the respective classroom and into my desk. I finished reading it in a week.

That's why I read cracked.com


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MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:

We don't use grenades much, probably because we both use electric guns and have no reason to buy propane. I've heard they're really cool though. If I had more time before I left home, I'd invest in one or two for fun

I'm thinking about getting like ten low-cap M4 mags (usually like twenty rounds) and playing "real" games where you have to conserve rather than just blasting away on full auto the whole game.

We use all AEGs as well, but some Army reservist was on my team temporarily for one game. I prefer super-high cap mags of about 650 rounds, and I carry 2-3 of them per game. I'm thinking of getting and airsoft M14. Does anyone know how those are? Which company makes the best for the money?.

I've fired a real m14. Holy hell it had some kick to it. Fired beautifully.

Classic army makes a real wood one that's quite nice for somewhere in the $300s. Some are cheaper, but have polymer bodies, and run about $260.

Might be able to find a springer for cheap though. Makes it feel more like a marksmanship rifle that way, haha.

http://www.evike.com/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=m14&x=0&y=0&manufacturers_id=

Love evike. They're great. So's airsoftgi.com

Haven't used any airsoft M14s, they are mostly all good quality, I've held most at my near-local store.
Yeah, the real ones are probably the most beautiful rifles imo, they are tremendously unwieldy (full-auto, mostly) due to the relative lightness (weight) of the weapon coupled with the strength of the 7.62 cartridge. The M60 fires the same exact round and has a very gentle kick compared to almost any other weapon that fires it (mostly due to the 20+ pounds of steel and aluminum)

...when you notice that you wrote more about the actual gun than the airsoft model...

M14's are pretty heavy actually, comparatively speaking

I was comparing it to other weapons that "successfully" utilize the 7.62NATO cartridge, there aren't very many battle-rifles that do so (save the FN SCAR-H and FN FAL) I find it to be more effective in LMGs rather than BRs.


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When you watch the movie "Office Space" twice in a row.

Right, but how can you compare the weight of a BR to the weight of a LMG? If your comparing it to other BR's that fire the 7.62x51 such as the SCAR, the SCAR is close to half the weight of the M14. You would have to compare it to another battle-rifle most of which (generally speaking) weigh in around 7 lbs (give or take) where as the M14 weighs in at 11+.

But yeah full auto on a battle-rifle is just a terrible idea anyways. Aside from that and the weight the M14 is an excellent platform, been considering building a M1a for awhile now.


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When you cant decide on a warband for your army.. everythings either red or black or doesnt fit because of cult troops.

Personally, I've found that H&K weapons have the best yield.

And I agree, full auto is useless. The only real reason to have that instead of semi-auto is that you can:

A. Fire short bursts for more severe damage on a target (not a consideration needed for airsoft)
or
B. Have a reasonable chance of hitting something even though you are on the move and don't have a chance to line up a perfect shot.

Basically, you have to understand the circumstances though.

Full auto is basically only used for suppressive fire, great for light machine guns/heavier weapon systems because thats pretty much their entire function is to provide suppressive fire. The other use is for counter charges which falls under suppressive fire again.

Battle rifles aren't designed to provide much more than limited or momentary suppressive fire, the only use a battle-rifle has for full auto is in a smaller carbine (ie: m4, configurable AK's) and the only reason that is, is because they are used by troops who need the functionality of a smg without the need to carry a smg for putting alot of rounds down a hallway or through a door into a room, suppression on the run (CQ, Urban operations, that sort of thing) however in cases like the AK's the opposite is true since they can be used in suppressive role more like a traditional LMG. So basically the idea behind full-auto on a battle rifle is versatility, however the use for this is very limited to your more elite small squad operations, and even then they usually gear specifically for whatever role.

..when you realize you have no idea how to talk without using run on sentances.

M4s and AKs aren't Battle-rifles, they use lower velocity rounds, they are Assault rifles. Battle-rifles themselves are far less versatile than ARs as they are typically larger and have considerably greater recoil, while assault rifles can be a good deal smaller and easier to use at full-auto because the have lower velocity ammo and less stopping-power.

...when the person your discussing things with says assault rifle.

...when the person your discussing things with wildly contradicts himself.

not trying to be rude but this just became pointless.

Well you've gotta point out how you think he's wrong, you can't just say THAT!

im2randomghgh wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:

MartiniPunk wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:...When you're a conservative democrat (that's me!)
...When you have OCD towards obtaining knowledge and you're on a 2 week break. I'm not kidding, my mind goes nuts if I don't obtain large amounts of information every day. When I was in 5th grade, it got so bad that I snuck an Algebra text book out of the respective classroom and into my desk. I finished reading it in a week.

That's why I read cracked.com


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MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

MartiniPunk wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:

We don't use grenades much, probably because we both use electric guns and have no reason to buy propane. I've heard they're really cool though. If I had more time before I left home, I'd invest in one or two for fun

I'm thinking about getting like ten low-cap M4 mags (usually like twenty rounds) and playing "real" games where you have to conserve rather than just blasting away on full auto the whole game.

We use all AEGs as well, but some Army reservist was on my team temporarily for one game. I prefer super-high cap mags of about 650 rounds, and I carry 2-3 of them per game. I'm thinking of getting and airsoft M14. Does anyone know how those are? Which company makes the best for the money?.

I've fired a real m14. Holy hell it had some kick to it. Fired beautifully.

Classic army makes a real wood one that's quite nice for somewhere in the $300s. Some are cheaper, but have polymer bodies, and run about $260.

Might be able to find a springer for cheap though. Makes it feel more like a marksmanship rifle that way, haha.

http://www.evike.com/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=m14&x=0&y=0&manufacturers_id=

Love evike. They're great. So's airsoftgi.com

Haven't used any airsoft M14s, they are mostly all good quality, I've held most at my near-local store.
Yeah, the real ones are probably the most beautiful rifles imo, they are tremendously unwieldy (full-auto, mostly) due to the relative lightness (weight) of the weapon coupled with the strength of the 7.62 cartridge. The M60 fires the same exact round and has a very gentle kick compared to almost any other weapon that fires it (mostly due to the 20+ pounds of steel and aluminum)

...when you notice that you wrote more about the actual gun than the airsoft model...

M14's are pretty heavy actually, comparatively speaking

I was comparing it to other weapons that "successfully" utilize the 7.62NATO cartridge, there aren't very many battle-rifles that do so (save the FN SCAR-H and FN FAL) I find it to be more effective in LMGs rather than BRs.


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When you watch the movie "Office Space" twice in a row.

Right, but how can you compare the weight of a BR to the weight of a LMG? If your comparing it to other BR's that fire the 7.62x51 such as the SCAR, the SCAR is close to half the weight of the M14. You would have to compare it to another battle-rifle most of which (generally speaking) weigh in around 7 lbs (give or take) where as the M14 weighs in at 11+.

But yeah full auto on a battle-rifle is just a terrible idea anyways. Aside from that and the weight the M14 is an excellent platform, been considering building a M1a for awhile now.


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When you cant decide on a warband for your army.. everythings either red or black or doesnt fit because of cult troops.

Personally, I've found that H&K weapons have the best yield.

And I agree, full auto is useless. The only real reason to have that instead of semi-auto is that you can:

A. Fire short bursts for more severe damage on a target (not a consideration needed for airsoft)
or
B. Have a reasonable chance of hitting something even though you are on the move and don't have a chance to line up a perfect shot.

Basically, you have to understand the circumstances though.

Full auto is basically only used for suppressive fire, great for light machine guns/heavier weapon systems because thats pretty much their entire function is to provide suppressive fire. The other use is for counter charges which falls under suppressive fire again.

Battle rifles aren't designed to provide much more than limited or momentary suppressive fire, the only use a battle-rifle has for full auto is in a smaller carbine (ie: m4, configurable AK's) and the only reason that is, is because they are used by troops who need the functionality of a smg without the need to carry a smg for putting alot of rounds down a hallway or through a door into a room, suppression on the run (CQ, Urban operations, that sort of thing) however in cases like the AK's the opposite is true since they can be used in suppressive role more like a traditional LMG. So basically the idea behind full-auto on a battle rifle is versatility, however the use for this is very limited to your more elite small squad operations, and even then they usually gear specifically for whatever role.

..when you realize you have no idea how to talk without using run on sentances.

I'm looking at the Socom style one with the abs stock. I has a slightly shorter barrel and I believe 3 round burst capabilities (helpful?)

...When you cut your lip while shaving.
...When you die while holding diamond armor and diamond tools in mine craft.
...When you are addicted to Arrested Development.
...When there's six months until Prometheus comes out.

Burst fire is by far my favourite firing mode, not sure why. Once you give it a go, you'll get the hang of it.

...When there's several months until phalanx comes out.

eh burst is far overrated, its just a fill for full-auto without being legalized "full-auto"

well placed shots > burst > burst-auto > full auto

dont get me wrong putting 30 rounds down range in a couple seconds is fun once in awhile just not real practical.

MartiniPunk wrote:

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eh burst is far overrated, its just a fill for full-auto without being legalized "full-auto"

well placed shots > burst > burst-auto > full auto

dont get me wrong putting 30 rounds down range in a couple seconds is fun once in awhile just not real practical.

Well for my local airsoft we have a three hits you're out thing going on, so burst is far more useful than individual shots.

Well you've gotta point out how you think he's wrong, you can't just say THAT!

lol im new and trying not to piss off the community already.

1. he uses the term assault rifle. (assault rifle is the number one miss-used term in the history of weaponry, it was invented by u.s. government legalese. there is no such thing as an assault-rifle. assault is a verb which indicates action, not an adjective that properly indicates function or intended use. Not to sound elitist, generally speaking people in the fire-arm community do not use this term. "what are you assaulting? well I can assault that with any kind of rifle.. gak i can assault it with a potato.. does that mean I can go to jail for illegal assault potatoes?)

2. he said an AK system does not qualify as a battle rifle.

3. he is saying that battle rifles use a larger caliber while comparing it to an AR system. (AK anyone?)

4. he is grouping two rifles and saying they dont qualify as battle rifles, then taking one of them and using it to compare to the other saying one is a battle rifle and one is not. (lolwut?)

5. he says: (let me paraphrase "5.56 and 7.62 aren't battle rifles they are assault-rifles." earlier he was talking about a M14 being a "battle-rifle" because it utilizes a 7.62 round.

6. he says : (again paraphrased "5.56 and 7.62 is an assault rifle. 7.62 are less versatile than 5.56 because it is larger recoil etc. 7.62 are easier to use at full-auto because lower velocity and less stopping power." (see it just doesnt make sense)

7. he was comparing the weight of a battle-rifle to the weight of a light machine gun because they are chambered the same.

8. he doesnt realize that the 5.56 has a much higher velocity than the either of the 7.62's he was talking about earlier

9. he says assault rifles are smaller and easier to use on full auto, when the opposite is true. A heavier weapon will have less recoil than a lighter one, same is true about barrel length, the shorter it is the greater the recoil.

(*disclaimer* I realize there is a difference between 7.62x39, 7.62x51, 7.62x54(r) but for comparison's sake the difference in recoil as you were talking about is minute.)


you see it just stopped making sense, and wasnt worth continuing the discussion. I concede. Since it was being made out to be an arguement, He wins, I lose.


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Well for my local airsoft we have a three hits you're out thing going on, so burst is far more useful than individual shots.

ahh sorry i got confused between airsoft and other.

lol i never played airsoft, was more of a paintballer.

killykavekommando wrote:...When you have OCD towards obtaining knowledge and you're on a 2 week break. I'm not kidding, my mind goes nuts if I don't obtain large amounts of information every day. When I was in 5th grade, it got so bad that I snuck an Algebra text book out of the respective classroom and into my desk. I finished reading it in a week.

Used to be like this but then I took a swingset to the head in the 3rd grade; some friend. Luckily it missed the temple by about an inch or so.
Knocked me down from prodigy though...

I can still get at least 80% on most tests without the need for study, but I get intense migraines now. -.-
Well additional ones to go with the already existing ones triggered by the smell of coffee and by the smell of cigarettes, which leave me feeling drained.



When you get invited to coffee festivals then go anyway because you haven't seen some of those friends for a while...

when you realize that some people know more about guns then you ever care to. I prefer simple rifles for hunting and the such.

n0t_u wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:...When you have OCD towards obtaining knowledge and you're on a 2 week break. I'm not kidding, my mind goes nuts if I don't obtain large amounts of information every day. When I was in 5th grade, it got so bad that I snuck an Algebra text book out of the respective classroom and into my desk. I finished reading it in a week.

Used to be like this but then I took a swingset to the head in the 3rd grade; some friend. Luckily it missed the temple by about an inch or so.
Knocked me down from prodigy though...

I can still get at least 80% on most tests without the need for study, but I get intense migraines now. -.-
Well additional ones to go with the already existing ones triggered by the smell of coffee and by the smell of cigarettes, which leave me feeling drained.



When you get invited to coffee festivals then go anyway because you haven't seen some of those friends for a while...

I think I'm allergic to tests. They make me sick