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 Cephalobeard wrote:
Mmmm, Guardsmen still cost 4ppm.

Your tears have sustained me, LAAC Dakka members.


You know what they did? They realised that point increases make everyone sad. So instead of increasing Guardsmen, they decreased everything else. People are happy with points drops.

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 Trickstick wrote:
 Cephalobeard wrote:
Mmmm, Guardsmen still cost 4ppm.

Your tears have sustained me, LAAC Dakka members.


You know what they did? They realised that point increases make everyone sad. So instead of increasing Guardsmen, they decreased everything else. People are happy with points drops.


Yep.

Blood Angels, Custodes, Tzeentch, Alpha Legion, Astra Militarum, Deathwatch, Thousand Sons, Imperial Knights, Tau.

I have a problem.

Being contrary for the sake of being contrary doesn't make you unique, it makes you annoying.

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Why is there pages missing? LOL. We still don't have GK Units or Tau units.

Why are gaurdsmen 4ppm? Why are tactical squads not listed? Why is avenger shuriken catapult down to 3 points? It's a 1 point weapon LOL.

Then you see GW stuck in some holes - like with AdMech destroyers...now paying like 12 points for a 3 W 3+ save model LOL. It seems base cost can go into the negative if a unit have really expensive gear (not complaining about this unit - it needed to be cheaper)

BUT the most obvious decsions are being missed or underdone.
Landraiders still around 300 points (should be more like 250)
Centurians not even listed (though it seems some space marine info is missing) pretty sad if they miss this - most overcosted unit in the game.
Tacs/Dires still unplayable - Guardsmen still 4ppm????

Plus some auto include options are getting better...like Carnifex HVC LOL. Russ Commanders down in points (why - they already OP)

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 Xenomancers wrote:
Why is there pages missing? LOL. We still don't have GK Units or Tau units.

Why are gaurdsmen 4ppm? Why are tactical squads not listed? Why is avenger shuriken catapult down to 3 points? It's a 1 point weapon LOL.

Then you see GW stuck in some holes - like with AdMech destroyers...now paying like 12 points for a 3 W 3+ save model LOL. It seems base cost can go into the negative if a unit have really expensive gear (not complaining about this unit - it needed to be cheaper)

BUT the most obvious decsions are being missed or underdone.
Landraiders still around 300 points (should be more like 250)
Centurians not even listed (though it seems some space marine info is missing) pretty sad if they miss this - most overcosted unit in the game.
Tacs/Dires still unplayable - Guardsmen still 4ppm????

Plus some auto include options are getting better...like Carnifex HVC LOL. Russ Commanders down in points (why - they already OP)


Probably won't answer all (or maybe even any of your questions), but the first page of the points list says there are 4 pages of updated data sheets. Might be relevant there.

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More complete list.

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 akaean wrote:
I'm somewhat perplexed by the some of these design changes.

On the one hand, Chaos Terminators staying 28 points per model while Loyalist equivalents going down to 23 seems more like an oversight than anythingelse. I can understand Blightlord or Scarab Occults being a bit more expensive, but generic CSM terminators? Also nerfing cultists to 5 point per model while leaving guardsmen at 4 points is ridiculous. Especially since in 8th edition and the allies system, "internal" balance is a really weak concept. Space Marines with allied guardsmen is not really that different from Chaos Space Marines with cultists that it warrants cultists at 5 points. The only reason cultists were so popular is because the generic MEQ body is really struggling, not because they are particularly game breaking.


ON THE OTHER HAND. Another 20 point price drop for Defilers YEAAAA BOI.

CSM Terms were 31 before. Where is 23 for Loyal Termies, I must have missed it. ( I see it now, 23 ppm . So unsure why CSM are more at base)

I Imagine Scarab Occults are base cheaper, as the entry gun for them is much better. I also gather its from the +1 to their save for weapons that only do 1 damage.

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Dire Avengers appear to be down to 11ppm - which makes it *more* surprising Tacs aren't down to 12ppm.
   
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Sternguard down 2 pts each. I am wondering if they will be in the Liberator Strike Force. Kind of dictates how I move forward. Honestly, Sternguard are 1 pt more than a Tactical Marine now. Insane.

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It's like they rebalanced everything around 12ppm Tacs. Which is really, really weird.
   
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Bharring wrote:
Dire Avengers appear to be down to 11ppm - which makes it *more* surprising Tacs aren't down to 12ppm.


Honestly they're boiling the frog on the mini marines. If they slowly make Primaris more viable no one will notice the replacing.

Once more Primaris units get shuffled out you'll see less and less adjustments to the mini marines till they're not gone, but virtually unplayable.







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I dont know where people get the "guard still 4 point" from though. we are missing page 125 that includes the majority of guard units.

can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now. 
   
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 BoomWolf wrote:
I dont know where people get the "guard still 4 point" from though. we are missing page 125 that includes the majority of guard units.


Not missing, they are not on it.

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So i'm confused. Is this a comprehensive accounting of the current points values for everything that has updated points relative to the Codex? Or does this only reflect things that have changed? That is, if something changed in CA 2017, but is not listed in CA 2018, is it's current cost reflected by the original cost in the Codex/Index, or it's CA 2017 cost?

I would have hoped they made CA 2018 a one-stop shop that updates everything so that you don't need multiple books to know the current cost of a unit.

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Sternguard down 2 pts each. I am wondering if they will be in the Liberator Strike Force. Kind of dictates how I move forward. Honestly, Sternguard are 1 pt more than a Tactical Marine now. Insane.

Chaos Chosen are 14 points now. It's bewildering for sure.

I didn't see anything with the Deathwatch units, but I did see the Wargear page. Turns out Deathwatch Bolt Pistols are 0 points.

JUMPPACK COWBOYS HERE I COME

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
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Codex/Index, per the leak.

You use any points cost in CA2018, if present. If not present, you use the Codex. Two special cases are listed: where to find SoB points, and where to find R&H points.
   
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And the dagger hits. GK leaks were a lie and they will remain gak for at least a whole other year.

Lots of good changes for lots of armies.
Tau and gaurd are looking the most improved.

Space marines also improved a great deal with cheaper repulsors and veteren intercessors and cheaper heros and weapons all over the place.

It's just sad that obvious changes aren't being made.

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:


JUMPPACK COWBOYS HERE I COME


Deathwatch Seraphim. Holy gak.

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All that hype for the GKs has just been crushed. GKs still bottom garbage tier. And with the near confirmation of keeping baby smite... that’s another edition of grey knights not seeing play. I give up tbh, I’m done with my GKs. I’m holding no hope now for anything to save them in CA.
   
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Bharring wrote:
Codex/Index, per the leak.

You use any points cost in CA2018, if present. If not present, you use the Codex. Two special cases are listed: where to find SoB points, and where to find R&H points.


So for instance because the Malanthrope was not listed in CA 2018, we use it's original Index listing?

   
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chnmmr wrote:
All that hype for the GKs has just been crushed. GKs still bottom garbage tier. And with the near confirmation of keeping baby smite... that’s another edition of grey knights not seeing play. I give up tbh, I’m done with my GKs. I’m holding no hope now for anything to save them in CA.


Maybe they're in the 4 pages of data sheet updates we haven't seen yet? Leakers are slacking, man.

   
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Sioux Falls, SD

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Sternguard down 2 pts each. I am wondering if they will be in the Liberator Strike Force. Kind of dictates how I move forward. Honestly, Sternguard are 1 pt more than a Tactical Marine now. Insane.

Chaos Chosen are 14 points now. It's bewildering for sure.

I didn't see anything with the Deathwatch units, but I did see the Wargear page. Turns out Deathwatch Bolt Pistols are 0 points.

JUMPPACK COWBOYS HERE I COME
I was going to ask "Why Bolt Pistols?" but then I remembered. Special Issue Ammunition. And then you will be wrecking face!

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on the forum. Obviously

Lemondish wrote:
chnmmr wrote:
All that hype for the GKs has just been crushed. GKs still bottom garbage tier. And with the near confirmation of keeping baby smite... that’s another edition of grey knights not seeing play. I give up tbh, I’m done with my GKs. I’m holding no hope now for anything to save them in CA.


Maybe they're in the 4 pages of data sheet updates we haven't seen yet? Leakers are slacking, man.



So there are datasheet updates? That would be interesting to see. Does it include weapon stats?

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Sternguard down 2 pts each. I am wondering if they will be in the Liberator Strike Force. Kind of dictates how I move forward. Honestly, Sternguard are 1 pt more than a Tactical Marine now. Insane.

Chaos Chosen are 14 points now. It's bewildering for sure.

I didn't see anything with the Deathwatch units, but I did see the Wargear page. Turns out Deathwatch Bolt Pistols are 0 points.

JUMPPACK COWBOYS HERE I COME


Lots of Deathwatch updates. Vets down to 14. Storm shields down to 2.

Primaris wise, Repulsors dropped 25, TLC 10. Redemptor dropped a ton, along with the heavy onslaught. Reiver heavy bolt pistols and bolt carbines dropped (to 0 and 2 respectively) thus making them point 1 point over auto bolt rifle Intercessors. Captains dropped too.
   
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Lemondish wrote:


Lots of Deathwatch updates. Vets down to 14. Storm shields down to 2.

Primaris wise, Repulsors dropped 25, TLC 10. Redemptor dropped a ton, along with the heavy onslaught. Reiver heavy bolt pistols and bolt carbines dropped (to 0 and 2 respectively) thus making them point 1 point over auto bolt rifle Intercessors. Captains dropped too.


Free Aux Grenade Launchers too.
   
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SO CSM Termies 28, Loyalist Terms 23, and Grey Knights 39 ... I smell deception or misdirection.

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Seems like tau forgeworld is still missing...found everything else. (how on earth are infantry squads still 4 points when cultists who are strictly worse 5!?)

can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now. 
   
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Still yhe nonsense titan point costs.
   
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Tsilber wrote:
SO CSM Termies 28, Loyalist Terms 23, and Grey Knights 39 ... I smell deception or misdirection.

Wait you're not serious are you?

I'm...slightly worried these leaks aren't real now. As incompetent as the rules team is sometimes, SURELY they would've made Chaos Terminators cheaper.


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Lemondish wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Sternguard down 2 pts each. I am wondering if they will be in the Liberator Strike Force. Kind of dictates how I move forward. Honestly, Sternguard are 1 pt more than a Tactical Marine now. Insane.

Chaos Chosen are 14 points now. It's bewildering for sure.

I didn't see anything with the Deathwatch units, but I did see the Wargear page. Turns out Deathwatch Bolt Pistols are 0 points.

JUMPPACK COWBOYS HERE I COME


Lots of Deathwatch updates. Vets down to 14. Storm shields down to 2.

Primaris wise, Repulsors dropped 25, TLC 10. Redemptor dropped a ton, along with the heavy onslaught. Reiver heavy bolt pistols and bolt carbines dropped (to 0 and 2 respectively) thus making them point 1 point over auto bolt rifle Intercessors. Captains dropped too.

Storm Shields down to 2 is almost ridiculous. And Vets to 14 means I realistically saved 16 points a squad. That goes a long way.

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CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Tsilber wrote:
SO CSM Termies 28, Loyalist Terms 23, and Grey Knights 39 ... I smell deception or misdirection.

Wait you're not serious are you?

I'm...slightly worried these leaks aren't real now. As incompetent as the rules team is sometimes, SURELY they would've made Chaos Terminators cheaper.


It's from screenshots... there's no way it can't be real.

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Tsilber wrote:
SO CSM Termies 28, Loyalist Terms 23, and Grey Knights 39 ... I smell deception or misdirection.

Wait you're not serious are you?

I'm...slightly worried these leaks aren't real now. As incompetent as the rules team is sometimes, SURELY they would've made Chaos Terminators cheaper.


Right there, CSM Termies are base 28 and the combi plasma is down to 11. Loyalist Termies base is 23, so lower for some reason. And GK Termies are 39 still (without wargear)
According the leaks last few pages, so I think there is some subterfuge in play...

As a Tau, CSM (who uses termies), and Daemon player. I am very happy with the leaks... I cant remember when I went 3 for 3 as far as good things in a row for armies I play. ( Or Football games I bet on ... friggin vikings)
So anyway..

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