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Looking at the expanded rules that "featured" Kill Teams get really makes me want the sisters content in the Chalnath book.

They haven't released Krieg or Komandos as separates yet, so we don't know if they will include the KT rules for the unit in the box.

If I knew that, I could wait for the sisters to be released as separates. But if I take the chance and miss out on the expanded sisters KT rules, it's gonna suck.

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Judging the initial reactions from this thread, this box isn't looking like a hot seller. Therefore I'd wager there will be plenty of chances for buying the items individually from ebay after launch.

I wonder if the Sorotitas Blood Bowl team can be kitbashed with the plastic Escher kits.. Necromunda miniatures have a bigger scale than 40K ones, right?

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PenitentJake wrote:
Looking at the expanded rules that "featured" Kill Teams get really makes me want the sisters content in the Chalnath book.

They haven't released Krieg or Komandos as separates yet, so we don't know if they will include the KT rules for the unit in the box.

If I knew that, I could wait for the sisters to be released as separates. But if I take the chance and miss out on the expanded sisters KT rules, it's gonna suck.

FOMO at its finest.

It seems a good bet that they'll include the KT rules for the unit in the box. Especially given that they're actively packaging these in KT branded boxes.

I wouldn't get too excited for the Sisters stuff though, since it's Novitiate specific. Same with the Tau being Pathfinder specific.
   
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 tauist wrote:
Judging the initial reactions from this thread, this box isn't looking like a hot seller. Therefore I'd wager there will be plenty of chances for buying the items individually from ebay after launch.

I wonder if the Sorotitas Blood Bowl team can be kitbashed with the plastic Escher kits.. Necromunda miniatures have a bigger scale than 40K ones, right?



Not to my knowledge. I haven't made a direct comparison between my Escher and Sisters, but I don't think there is a difference in size aside from the usual small variations you get from GW even in the same faction. Should be decently compatible for kitbashing.

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 tauist wrote:
Judging the initial reactions from this thread, this box isn't looking like a hot seller. Therefore I'd wager there will be plenty of chances for buying the items individually from ebay after launch.


But we all know it's gonna sell out really fast, don't we?

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 tauist wrote:
Judging the initial reactions from this thread, this box isn't looking like a hot seller. Therefore I'd wager there will be plenty of chances for buying the items individually from ebay after launch.


But we all know it's gonna sell out really fast, don't we?


Pre-order promise again, so scalpers may not buy many.

I can't imagine many sisters players will be so desperate for the new models they will be unwilling to wait for the individual release by buying this box set, or paying an obscene amount from a scalper breaking the box down to sell in its individual components. Nice models but I think people will wait, and even less so with Tau players.

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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 tauist wrote:
Judging the initial reactions from this thread, this box isn't looking like a hot seller. Therefore I'd wager there will be plenty of chances for buying the items individually from ebay after launch.


But we all know it's gonna sell out really fast, don't we?


Pre-order promise again, so scalpers may not buy many.

I can't imagine many sisters players will be so desperate for the new models they will be unwilling to wait for the individual release by buying this box set, or paying an obscene amount from a scalper breaking the box down to sell in its individual components. Nice models but I think people will wait, and even less so with Tau players.


Haven't we thought something along those lines with all the previous relases, which all sold out almost instantly?

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 tauist wrote:
Judging the initial reactions from this thread, this box isn't looking like a hot seller. Therefore I'd wager there will be plenty of chances for buying the items individually from ebay after launch.

I wonder if the Sorotitas Blood Bowl team can be kitbashed with the plastic Escher kits.. Necromunda miniatures have a bigger scale than 40K ones, right?



Necromunda is not different scale, it's just that some gangs are bigger. Goliaths, Enforcers, Delaques and Eschers are quite a bit taller than the rest. But SoB are giants too and the same size than the Escher so you're fine.

   
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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 tauist wrote:
Judging the initial reactions from this thread, this box isn't looking like a hot seller. Therefore I'd wager there will be plenty of chances for buying the items individually from ebay after launch.


But we all know it's gonna sell out really fast, don't we?


Pre-order promise again, so scalpers may not buy many.

I can't imagine many sisters players will be so desperate for the new models they will be unwilling to wait for the individual release by buying this box set, or paying an obscene amount from a scalper breaking the box down to sell in its individual components. Nice models but I think people will wait, and even less so with Tau players.


Haven't we thought something along those lines with all the previous relases, which all sold out almost instantly?


Octarius hasn't sold out, there are still black templar boxes floating around also... What other guaranteed pre-order boxes have there been?

Just to clarify, when talking about some of these boxes, they may have sold out on GW, but not with some third parties. In fact, some stores have offered 25% off the black templar box this week - obviously to shift some of the over stock. I grabbed one for £90.


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 Crimson wrote:
 tauist wrote:
Judging the initial reactions from this thread, this box isn't looking like a hot seller. Therefore I'd wager there will be plenty of chances for buying the items individually from ebay after launch.

I wonder if the Sorotitas Blood Bowl team can be kitbashed with the plastic Escher kits.. Necromunda miniatures have a bigger scale than 40K ones, right?



Necromunda is not different scale, it's just that some gangs are bigger. Goliaths, Enforcers, Delaques and Eschers are quite a bit taller than the rest. But SoB are giants too and the same size than the Escher so you're fine.


Necromunda are smaller if anything, and Escher heads are tiny... Basically, it's 28mm still, but a lot of the gangs are not heroic scale, so the heads and arms are smaller usually.

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 tauist wrote:
Judging the initial reactions from this thread, this box isn't looking like a hot seller. Therefore I'd wager there will be plenty of chances for buying the items individually from ebay after launch.

Well, I don't think many Sisters players had a wishlist for the teenage trainees who haven't yet earned their armor and armed with weapons even the Imperial Guard scoff at, nor did Tau players want an extra upgrade sprue for pathfinders done in a completely different style, so... yeah. Expect this not to shake the walls with sales.


All that said, going forward the guaranteed preorders need to continue happening forever. Less scalper shenanigans, far fewer issues with their stupid release window and many people never even getting a chance to order products.

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Been honestly holding off on Killteam since Warcry is more my speed...

But man, these releases aren't enticing me to play. The rookie sisters are indeed great, and the idea of upgrade sprues for Kill Team to give a single box of all their options is honestly amazing... but Tau and rookie Sisters? What a strange combination. I can't imagine those games with this box set being all that interesting.
   
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KT 2021 has a lot of good stuff going for it. Definitely worth playing if you're a fan of skirmish games. I won't say its the best sci-fi skirmish game, but aspects of its rule set play very well.

My biggest gripe with the game is that there are no missions / game design thought put into 3+ player games. Which to me is a HUGE miss when a skirmish system doesn't embrace larger player counts and asymmetric design principles.


As for the Chalnath box? I would agree its certainly not worth the money. Like Warcry, GW is going to try and gatekeep the rules in a confusing and ever expanding dizzying set of needless paper.

Thankfully with battlescribe and other places on the internet Which Shall Not Be Named, its a nonissue. Give KT a try! Its worth the effort.
   
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Ah so 140€ is the confirmed price? Hard pass. I'll just get some individual pieces from ebay instead, say, a T'au upgrade sprue might do

Octarius box had much better value. This shoulda been priced closer to the 100€ price point.

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 NH Gunsmith wrote:
Been honestly holding off on Killteam since Warcry is more my speed...

But man, these releases aren't enticing me to play. The rookie sisters are indeed great, and the idea of upgrade sprues for Kill Team to give a single box of all their options is honestly amazing... but Tau and rookie Sisters? What a strange combination. I can't imagine those games with this box set being all that interesting.


Yeah, the sisters are not strong enough models (and undoubtably rules wise for 40k) to carry the Tau in this. The sisters vs the rumoured chaos cultists/traitor guard, that could have worked. However, if the terrain was custom (and substantial) then it wouldn't be such an issue to have the current kill teams.

The Tau would need something super strong to go with - Primaris or new aspect warriors - though I think GW got bitten with blood of the Pheonix, which is partly GW's fault, they should have gone all in with completely new models and not such a pitiful amount of them either for Blood of Pheonix.

I know many people moan about the SM releases, but for GW at least they sell. Look at Ocatarius, DKoK in plastic which have been wanted for years, and some of the most characterful modern Ork sculpts in decades as well as honestly great terrain (and a fair amount of it) and that still didn't/hasn't sold out.

I'm not suggesting people should support GW blindly and buy everything, but it really doesn't help when non primaris/marine box sets struggle to sell out. It just pushes down the idea of non marine box sets further. I loved the Octarius box (mainly for DKoK mind) and want more like that in future, I don't want much more for my primaris now - this current box set is not it though... They need to do something different, really substantial discounts or really go all in on the models (sisters and traitor guard/cultists), or both.

Going back to terrain, I don't know why GW doesn't make some custom add ons for ZM to make it a bunker/underground caverns for killteam, a command terminal room, inside of a missile silo/defense laser etc

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 Kanluwen wrote:
Rihgu wrote:
Don't they also have all of their commanders in AI chips that they can plug into people? Might not be the real Shadowsun, could be a T'au commander with her chip.

They have engrams of the really important ones, yes.

But Voss is also correct. They keep the important ones in cryogenic stasis--waking them up when necessary.


That's a LOL worthy idea.

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The AI chip is much better. At least you can assume they're getting regular updates on technology and politics.


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Has anyone seen pictures of the SoB Novices built normally? All the pictures I see are with the optional specialist sprue.

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Ah @#$% just noticed the heads are molded on, my Female Arbites plan may be more work than expected. Ah well, I can still do a female =I= warband.

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Ah @#$% just noticed the heads are molded on, my Female Arbites plan may be more work than expected. Ah well, I can still do a female =I= warband.


A lot look fairly easy to clip and scrape off though as the seem (as much as you can take form a 2d one perspective pic) quite thin. I think it would only to a few minutes to take them off... The real trick will be if you need to create a hollow to put a new head in, which could be more work.

Amazing idea though. I may rob it and purchase one or two of the models off eBay to do the same.

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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I know many people moan about the SM releases, but for GW at least they sell. Look at Ocatarius, DKoK in plastic which have been wanted for years, and some of the most characterful modern Ork sculpts in decades as well as honestly great terrain (and a fair amount of it) and that still didn't/hasn't sold out.

<looks at the price>

Gee. I wonder why.
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I know many people moan about the SM releases, but for GW at least they sell. Look at Ocatarius, DKoK in plastic which have been wanted for years, and some of the most characterful modern Ork sculpts in decades as well as honestly great terrain (and a fair amount of it) and that still didn't/hasn't sold out.

<looks at the price>

Gee. I wonder why.


£50 of rules/materials, £30 for DKoK, £30 for Orks, and £50 at least of terrain/board if you look at RRP or equivalents, Ocatarius was a discount and still hasn't sold out, this set doesn't seem to be.

You can't invent reasons why in terms of price, we all know GW is expensive, you can't say that is the issue for something not selling when they actually offer a discount, it hasn't sold out due to demand (or lack of it) which can be down to numerous reasons, the pre-orders reducing FOMO purchases, the factions not being as popular (I doubt this is an issue for Octarius tbh), people boycotting/taking a break GW due to recent practices against creators (probably more of a factor than many think).

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I like how the SoBs have an option to all care Power Swords but they're still not wearing actual armour or using actual guns.

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There’s only one power sword on that sprue.

Edit: lots of regular swords but only one that matches other power swords in the plastic SoB range.

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I like how the SoBs have an option to all care Power Swords but they're still not wearing actual armour or using actual guns.


They have the option for "razor sharp swords" which I would guess like chainswords or brutal close combat weapons is just a way of saying CC weapons. No different rules wise from a piece of pipe or a baseball bat.

As I mentioned earlier I can't find pictures of them with pistols & swords or rifles, but they're on the main sprue.

 
   
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“Razor sharp” huh? Might mean they have AP? Like the basic CCW profile but -1 to saves. In 40K at least. KT melee profiles have a bunch more potential variety just using the core rules.
Could just be marketing fluff also.

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Voss wrote:
Well, I don't think many Sisters players had a wishlist for the teenage trainees who haven't yet earned their armor and armed with weapons even the Imperial Guard scoff at...


Not sure if true. I'm reliably informed that Japan's economy is built on schoolgirls beating up giant demons, mecha and zombies with swords.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Has anyone seen pictures of the SoB Novices built normally? All the pictures I see are with the optional specialist sprue.


There's this picture from an article some while ago:


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Upon looking closer, only one of those is a power sword (it has the power node thing on the blade), the rest don't have that.

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@Geifer, thanks just what I was looking for.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
“Razor sharp” huh? Might mean they have AP? Like the basic CCW profile but -1 to saves. In 40K at least. KT melee profiles have a bunch more potential variety just using the core rules.
Could just be marketing fluff also.


True, I was thinking in 40k terms not KT. Still I doubt their swords are as good as power swords since they have sub-bolter guns too.

 
   
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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I know many people moan about the SM releases, but for GW at least they sell. Look at Ocatarius, DKoK in plastic which have been wanted for years, and some of the most characterful modern Ork sculpts in decades as well as honestly great terrain (and a fair amount of it) and that still didn't/hasn't sold out.

<looks at the price>

Gee. I wonder why.


£50 of rules/materials, £30 for DKoK, £30 for Orks, and £50 at least of terrain/board if you look at RRP or equivalents, Ocatarius was a discount and still hasn't sold out, this set doesn't seem to be.

You can't invent reasons why in terms of price, we all know GW is expensive, you can't say that is the issue for something not selling when they actually offer a discount, it hasn't sold out due to demand (or lack of it) which can be down to numerous reasons, the pre-orders reducing FOMO purchases, the factions not being as popular (I doubt this is an issue for Octarius tbh), people boycotting/taking a break GW due to recent practices against creators (probably more of a factor than many think).


You can recite the RRPs all you want, but the truth is that it's a sparse box for the price (which seems to be what GW is going for lately: less for more). To which you also have to add another book if you want to play anything but Korps and orks. It doesn't really feel like that great of a deal. And given that it's still out there, it either seems there's people that believes that, or there's simply not enough interest for Kill Team to begin with.

Of course, the new box is just the same... but worse, because you don't even have the rules.

But I can absolutely say that something doesn't sell because it's expensive, because I know, for a fact, they have at least not sold one because it was expensive. Namely, the one I could have bought.

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 Albertorius wrote:

You can recite the RRPs all you want, but the truth is that it's a sparse box for the price (which seems to be what GW is going for lately: less for more). To which you also have to add another book if you want to play anything but Korps and orks.


Yeah this is where it gets tricky - you want to play KT as an add-on to your existing GW gaming, you're buying an expensive book and getting some pretty uninspired rules. You maybe splash out on a single box if the minis there will complement your main army.

But if you just want to go in on KT itself, you're looking at picking up four £100+ boxes per year. Which is a lot. My initial thought with the compendium being fairly dull is that GW were going to really push it as it's own self-contained system: quarterly releases, with the idea that you buy them all, like a more complex and expensive Underworlds. But with this sort of pricing that's a really tough sell.
   
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How much is it compared to Octarius?

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How much is it compared to Octarius?



Octarius is €155 (£125) and this is apparently going to be €140 (around £110 - another rumour saying £105).

I think Octarius is/was a much better deal than this personally due to the amount of terrain (Orks and DKoK are better models than the Tau also, but that is subjective), and then if it has a main rule book also, which this is rumoured not to have...

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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How much is it compared to Octarius?



Octarius is €155 (£125) and this is apparently going to be €140 (around £110 - another rumour saying £105).

I think Octarius is/was a much better deal than this personally due to the amount of terrain (Orks and DKoK are better models than the Tau also, but that is subjective), and then if it has a main rule book also, which this is rumoured not to have...


Since yesterday's unboxing article on Warhammer Community I think it's safe to consider the absence of the rule book a fact rather than a rumor.

But yeah, at the rumored 140€ price tag Chalnath doesn't look good next to the 155€ Octarius. For those 15€ extra you get:

- core rule book
- measuring tools
- dice
- cardboard markers

Those things, minus the dice, are sold separately for 62.50€.

you can also argue that the Tau team is inferior not just because it's old models and the only thing new about is the upgrade sprue, but that Pathfinders were at release one of the best priced infantry kits you could get from GW. the price has gone up a good bit since, and the upgrade sprue will not doubt add a good bit more, but it's a kit you could have bought for comparatively cheap for years. Whereas Krieg and Kommandos are shiny and new.

Octarius might win out on terrain as well. I have no experience with the game, but the Ork building setup looks more interesting than the Imperial ruins. Add to that that the Sector Imperialis stuff at its most basic is bare and flat and the interesting building part, notably the statues, aren't included in Chalnath.

In my opinion it's not wrong to say this is a pretty overt case of GW wanting more money for less stuff, what with the gap between the two boxes only being three months.

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