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Yep this is a 100€ box we're paying 140€ for, just in comparison to Octarius, which was already too expensive being in the same bracket as Dominion.

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/26/what-the-adepta-sororitas-novitiates-kill-team-lack-in-subtlety-they-make-up-for-in-get-up-and-go/

Teaser to the Novitiates (I always have to copy paste that word) Killteam. Their unique trait is faith points, (I know quel surprise!). I like the theme though, blowing up in your opponents face and claimining they are mortally wounded by the martyrdom of their bursting bone splinters, whipping your own troops into frenzy instead of just giving them one extra APL. I hope they found a good solution to handle the likely meagre damage output of the Auto Rifles (my money is on 2/3 just like Las Rifles). I haven't seen anything carrying a special weapon so far, but that Eviscerator sure looks dangerous. Considering the amount of relics they are carrying around, they do a good job following in the steps of the overly pompus/baroques SoB at least on a visual level.

If everything fails, they'll still be able to count as Bible Black squad. Please excuse the degenerecy

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Shame they repeated the datasheet for the whippy Novitiate and only posted cut down (and I think at least partially known) information on the naughty Novitiate. Suspicious me can't help but think they're embarrassed to show what the flavor text on the datasheet has to say about the Repentia cosplayer.

Not sure I agree with the article on how fantastic the Superior's hats are, but at least they have the same ball joints as other Sister heads for easy replacement.

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Faith points? Not sure I like where this is heading, smells like rules bloatitis in the making. Woulda been better if they had just used CPs like every other faction, pretty sure you could have made similar things to work without resorting to yet another set of points to keep track of.

The pathfinder article sounded more interesting to me. The Chalnath book and one pathfinder upgrade sprue might be in the cards for me, or even the full pathfinder team if I need two sets & 1 upgrade spue for all the options.

One other thing which concerns me are the Chalnath specific missions. That box has practically no scatter terrain, and it is probable that the included missions will only feature the terrain that came with the box, which sounds super bland. So not sure that even the book is worth.



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Gathering the Informations.

Expanded terrain rules. Doors, hatches, and punishing vantage points.

Pathfinder article. Definitely some interesting stuff to go over in both.
   
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Doors, hatches and Punishing Vantage Points? That makes the book more desirable in that case, even if the missions themselves happened to be subpar.
   
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I can't say I'm hugely impressed that the only official way to get hold of rules to go though doors seems to be to buy an otherwise irrelevant to me £110 box set.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

 The Phazer wrote:
I can't say I'm hugely impressed that the only official way to get hold of rules to go though doors seems to be to buy an otherwise irrelevant to me £110 box set.

I guess there's an entry fee?



I know. That was awful. I'm not a fan of it being in there either...but it makes me curious if there's going to be a "campaign pack" or something coming for KT.

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The community article also heralds the introduction of the scaleable rule, for terrain with that trait you round down CIRCLE instead of up when climbing.... a rule that was introduced in the last Errata.

Dont know if that means we should expect hatches and doors by Errata again, or that was all we were getting. Seems odd that we got Scaleable but not the others, was that keyword hidden somewhere else in the rule book and ive just not spotted it?
   
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 The Phazer wrote:
I can't say I'm hugely impressed that the only official way to get hold of rules to go though doors seems to be to buy an otherwise irrelevant to me £110 box set.


Totally this. I’m an SOB fan, love more Sector Imperialis terrain, meh on Tau, and decided to skip this box. Now, they are drip-feeding terrain rules which sound great, should have been in the core book, and I want to have them, but to do so I have to flip my decision from “skip”, to “buy”? I get that it’s my choice, and no-one is twisting my arm for me to open my wallet, but, hell, really? “Here are some great, functional, thematic rules, we just saved up to make you buy another box!”

Oh well. Decision time, cough up, or check out…
   
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Didn't they just post the rules in the article? Or were they incomplete?

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Honestly, those rules feel like something that should have been already on the core book, but decided against it so they could milk it.

So... nope.
   
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Kind of a cheap shot to introduce rules that way, but not terribly surprising given how they've structured releases.
   
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They've probably just killed the game with this move to be honest, it's not as if it is hugely popular as it is, but I imagine a vast majority of people will choose to leave it now.

You also know there is some clause attached to the doors etc in terms of when and who can use them.

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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
They've probably just killed the game with this move to be honest, it's not as if it is hugely popular as it is, but I imagine a vast majority of people will choose to leave it now.

You also know there is some clause attached to the doors etc in terms of when and who can use them.


Surely primaris won't be able to use them, unless they're bigger than the ones on a LR
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
They've probably just killed the game with this move to be honest, it's not as if it is hugely popular as it is, but I imagine a vast majority of people will choose to leave it now.

You also know there is some clause attached to the doors etc in terms of when and who can use them.


Surely primaris won't be able to use them, unless they're bigger than the ones on a LR


Imagine a space marine (or nearly any unit with hands modelled) not being able to open a door and crouch down to get through it

However, you are most likely 100% correct with the restrictions, they will probably not make sense (if there are any)

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Kind of curious that doors have a special passage about base size and hatches don't. Do the core rules differentiate between ceilings and walls already to make this unnecessary or did the rules designers just think it was funny for a model to get its fat ass stuck in a hatch?

 Albertorius wrote:
Honestly, those rules feel like something that should have been already on the core book, but decided against it so they could milk it.

So... nope.


Yes, unfortunately GW has been far too successful with insubstantial DLC-like rules releases in other games. Of course they went and integrated it in the latest version of Kill Team.

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Little known fact: A Space Marines biggest adversary are flights of stairs.

Think about it: What set of stairs would be rated for a Marine in full armour with all their equipment as well?

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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
They've probably just killed the game with this move to be honest, it's not as if it is hugely popular as it is, but I imagine a vast majority of people will choose to leave it now.

You also know there is some clause attached to the doors etc in terms of when and who can use them.


Yeah I mainly bought the main compendium to make a Thousand Sons kill team and not even 2 months after the main release they print new rules in white dwarf making the compendium completely useless for me.
I am really disappointed. I shouldn't have bought into the hype.

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or GW should just have told people what faction are going to see rules in WD or supplements in the next months

but disappointed customers don't matter, they already got your money

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Little known fact: A Space Marines biggest adversary are flights of stairs.

Think about it: What set of stairs would be rated for a Marine in full armour with all their equipment as well?



Umm. Most stairs. Marines are individually big and heavy, but stairs are designed for lots of people at the same time. Might be a problem for small wooden domestic stairs in older houses, but not for anything commercial.

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DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
They've probably just killed the game with this move to be honest, it's not as if it is hugely popular as it is, but I imagine a vast majority of people will choose to leave it now.

You also know there is some clause attached to the doors etc in terms of when and who can use them.


Yeah I mainly bought the main compendium to make a Thousand Sons kill team and not even 2 months after the main release they print new rules in white dwarf making the compendium completely useless for me.
I am really disappointed. I shouldn't have bought into the hype.


I doubt it would have much legs, and is more relevant to the country you reside in and where you purchased an item from, but I wonder if anyone in the UK has chanced asking for a refund within 6 months of purchase from GW due to it being:

*isn’t fit for purpose

or

*doesn’t last for a reasonable amount of time

In regards to specific issues above with purchases being invalidated/irrelevebt within such a short amount of time.

I doubt it would work with GW, I wonder if anyone would care enough to go down the consumer rights route for action...

I would also wonder if you could claim a refund on codex's rules that require significant errata due to having 'a fault at the point of purchase'.

Again, very doubtful, but the right pedant may come along at some point


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 Flinty wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Little known fact: A Space Marines biggest adversary are flights of stairs.

Think about it: What set of stairs would be rated for a Marine in full armour with all their equipment as well?



Umm. Most stairs. Marines are individually big and heavy, but stairs are designed for lots of people at the same time. Might be a problem for small wooden domestic stairs in older houses, but not for anything commercial.


But is that weight concentrated, and taking into account the force involved with each step if a marine is moving at speed? A lot of us regular humans can generate 3x body weight in force with each step when running, more so the faster you move... I think a lot of commercial stairs are going to struggle with 3 tons hitting it in a concentrated area... I'd be super interested if I was wrong though

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Little known fact: A Space Marines biggest adversary are flights of stairs.

Think about it: What set of stairs would be rated for a Marine in full armour with all their equipment as well?



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With every preview this box seems worse and worse. Sisters get the standard kit of expanded rules in exchange for their power armour and prolific weapon? Thank goodness we have the ironclad narrative explanation that they throw their noobs at the most complicated problems which is definitely in character for sororitas and not because this lore was originally going to go in the space marines set.

Tau players at least seem to be more enthused by the rules they get, but the kit is dissapointing - personally I'd rather have the upgrade kit as a sisters player.

Terrain is great if you need it, but an awful waste of space and plastic if you don't. New rules for the baseline game follows just fine with the idea of episodic content that GW presented in their roadmap, but even the most dedicated KT player isn't going to drop that kind of money on rules every three months.

   
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Hey look! Rules for Novitiates.

If you're wondering what all those fancy upgrades and extra doodads - Evsicerator, Condemnor Bolter, the medic, double whips, the big-ass mace, etc. - do for Novitiates, well let me tell you:

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

They're not 40k options. KT only it seems.

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“… even the most dedicated KT player isn't going to drop that kind of money on rules every three months...”

They most certainly will. We all probably know someone or several someones who will do just that.
   
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Maybe. I'm not really that sure that's the case, though.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hey look! Rules for Novitiates.

If you're wondering what all those fancy upgrades and extra doodads - Evsicerator, Condemnor Bolter, the medic, double whips, the big-ass mace, etc. - do for Novitiates, well let me tell you:

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

They're not 40k options. KT only it seems.



Safe to assume that when Krieg and Novice Sisters are sold on their own they will not come with the equipment sprue, that will be exclusive to the KT boxes?

 
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hey look! Rules for Novitiates.

If you're wondering what all those fancy upgrades and extra doodads - Evsicerator, Condemnor Bolter, the medic, double whips, the big-ass mace, etc. - do for Novitiates, well let me tell you:

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

They're not 40k options. KT only it seems.



holy feth, you're right.

Wonder if that means that the additional "kill team" sprues for krieg and tau will also not have any 40k rules then when those codexes drop? Seems only the Orks got the wargear because it was built into the Kommando kit natively

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hey look! Rules for Novitiates.

If you're wondering what all those fancy upgrades and extra doodads - Evsicerator, Condemnor Bolter, the medic, double whips, the big-ass mace, etc. - do for Novitiates, well let me tell you:

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

They're not 40k options. KT only it seems.



That's a good thing. You don't actually want 10 different profiles in a 10 man squad in an army scale game.

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