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Deadshane1 wrote:Here's a fact about the new Marine codex....

After looking at it and then going home and seeing my Dark Angel codex....it angers me.

I for one agree with you. Looking at my BA codex really makes me wonder how (if) they are thinking. BAs don't even have a history and fluff section... If you don't count the first two pages.
Seriously disappointed...


//Edge

Jayden63 wrote:Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if you had to choose one ammo type at the beginning of the game and had to stick with it, but the fact you can change off each shooting phase is pure BS.

I think it would be even more fun if they randomly roll for their ammo type at the beginning of the game (after deployment).

AdeptSister wrote:It just makes no sense to me that a CAPTAIN has an Iron Halo and WS 6?

It's just not fluffy for a space marine captain to have a worse statline than a Chaos lord.

The Mortis pattern dreads (two t-l autocannons or two misslelauchers) are available.

Suck it DA!

H.B.M.C. wrote: or that a TL-Assault Cannon is somehow worth as much as a TL-Lascannon in the current rules.

Most of what you said is right on the money, but an assault cannon is still better at popping AV 14 than a lascannon is, plus it's better against infantry.

I hear many people complain about the cost of a thing, in all walks of life. Then they eventually decide to buy it anyway, because they decide they 'need' it.

Cigarettes, alcohol, car tax, subscription TV, assault cannons, powerfists - it's all much the same.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Jayden63 wrote:Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if you had to choose one ammo type at the beginning of the game and had to stick with it, but the fact you can change off each shooting phase is pure BS.

I think it would be even more fun if they randomly roll for their 6?

You've got to be kidding. Do you know how much everyone hates the random skill for Possessed? Stop crying like a little baby and suck it up.

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GBF's sarcasm detector has obviously failed

i like the ammo change, why would you shoot a frag missile at a fex?
you wouldnt, you would fire a krak.
that gets to change ammo to suit its desired target.
i think its a good idea.

Modern artillery has different kinds of ammo, so does grenade launchers and even shotguns.

Of course there's a limit on the amount of ammo variety a unit can carry, and the speed it can change from one type to another.

LD test to change ammo types?

I used to like the 1e rule that troops had communicators, but they only worked on a 5-6 on D6. There's some fun to be had enforcing 'standing orders' into a game of 40k, and not simply allowing them to react to situations as if some towering giant was stood over the battlefield with a birds eye view...

Standing orders requires some form of record keeping, such as written orders or order chits.

Which is HERESY!

heresy rules!

heresy rules!

ooomies kan keep der heresey
Mes wiv ghazghkull n he will stomp ya!

Holy Hero Hammer Batman!

POW! WHACK! WAAAAAAM!

yamato wrote:Holy Hero Hammer Batman!

POW! WHACK! WAAAAAAM!

If you think the current round of SM characters constitute Herohammer, you've never played the old Chaos codex.

Sure they're good and resilient, but they almost all walk and have good but not ungodly assault output. Calgar is the only one with ranged that really approaches a single plasma gun.

I mean, they're mostly A3 and can't get a bonus attack from two weapons. Calgar is the strongest of them, and an old school Glaive or Siren prince would clean his clock without breaking a sweat.

Schepp himself wrote:EDIT: Oh, and imo, the "new model = awesome rules" is becoming too much with this codex (Sternguard, Scout Land speeder, special characters...)

Eh, dunno about that. Pods get a nice boost with the introduction of the model, and Redeemers are seriously good, but otherwise, the new stuff is mostly overpriced toys. Assault squads got one of the nicest buffs and don't get any new kits. Vulkan and Ironclads don't have models yet, and I'm probably going to be fielding both.

Not that Sternguard are bad, but hell, I'm going to be converting mine and I'd expect a lot of folks to do that anyway.

Can the Sternguard special ammo be used with a combi-bolter?

Maybe I'm missing something but when I looked at the terminator entry and the transport entries:

1. Terminators don't deep strike anymore and can't buy drop pods.

2. Landraiders no longer state (and the terminator entry no longer states) that terminators count as two models.

3. The Rhino and Razorback entry no longer state that they can't transport terminators. Sooooo... I buy a rhino for my Tac. squad and then jump my squad of ten terminators into it that don't deep strike anymore?

Am I missing something?

Lowinor wrote: Assault squads got one of the nicest buffs and don't get any new kits.

What buff did assault squads get? That page seems to be missing.

I think they went down in price.

A buff of sorts, yes?

tomguycot wrote:Maybe I'm missing something but when I looked at the terminator entry and the transport entries:

1. Terminators don't deep strike anymore and can't buy drop pods.

2. Landraiders no longer state (and the terminator entry no longer states) that terminators count as two models.

3. The Rhino and Razorback entry no longer state that they can't transport terminators. Sooooo... I buy a rhino for my Tac. squad and then jump my squad of ten terminators into it that don't deep strike anymore?

Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing all of the information from the Terminator section in the codex. This is just the summary section with points values and options. I'd bet that the detail section will include all the answers to your questions (same with the details for the transports, teleport assault, etc.)

Yeah, the new units are cool, but i doubt you will see an army with more than one or two of them at a time, marine armies will still look similar to how they did before. The new units are too expensive to field tons of them, they are cool to change things up a bit though.

shirou wrote:

Lowinor wrote: Assault squads got one of the nicest buffs and don't get any new kits.

What buff did assault squads get? That page seems to be missing.

A squad of ten including sergeant (again, all sergeants now are "veteran sergeants" from the old 'dex) is 190 points. Assault squads are now cheaper than Tac squads in Rhinos.

This is kinda to be expected (and I'm sure future codices will have very similar point drops on FA choices) due to them no longer scoring and requiring more effort to be killy than HS choices.

I think power armor will be around 70% of the tournament scene. Oh and Jervis is writing some really cool rules for Apoc.

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agreed GBF, and with all luck ill have my wave of green by that time
given up on the nids and need something new.

Damn, White Scars are really tempting. They even have a yellow successor chapter. Scout bikes seem like a lot of fun.

Assault Squad pic is up now, sorry about that. I mistakenly uploaded the same pic twice.

I also changed the formatting of them so that they are in order now, hope the changes are for the better.

Anyone notice the Demolisher Cannon is now a Barrage weapon? As in, I don't have to see you to hit you. As in, I determine cover from the center of the Blast marker.

kadun wrote:Anyone notice the Demolisher Cannon is now a Barrage weapon? As in, I don't have to see you to hit you. As in, I determine cover from the center of the Blast marker.

Only if you want to have a full 2D6 scatter as well. But yeah, handy option.

Neat, the Assault Sergeant can keep his bolt pistol when he buys a pair of lightning claws.

Lormax wrote:Assault Squad pic is up now

Much appreciated. Now I can finalize my initial list and get it packed for paint.