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Ungulateman:
Actually Military grade weapons are not illegal here in the states. Just really hard to get ahold of and cost a small fortune in cash.

http://www.autoweapons.com/home.html

http://www.nfasales.com/Weapons%20Page.htm

Just two sites of many
Not trying to start anything.

jp400 is pretty well correct...

"military grade" weapons arent illegal (M1911 anyone???)

i used to own an old Mauser 98k, prior to myself joining the army (parents didnt want to store it, and couldnt very well take it with me)

there ARE however restrictions on "assault weapons" which have to meet certain criteria. These also arent illegal, just much more heavily restricted and regulated. if memory serves me correctly, an assault weapon, is one which has any 2 of a small number of features, such as bayonet stud, the type of sight it used on the front, and rate of fire... so technically my "other" rifle, a Thompson Center .54 black powder, muzzle loading rifle, was technically an assault rifle, because of the sight, and its bayonet stud.

whatwhat wrote:

Grignard wrote:

whatwhat wrote:I've told you why.

Alright, moving on to someone who has something serious to contribute.

It is serious. Why else would someone feel 'empowered' or have fun by using, what is, an instrument of death?

Idiot.

Anyway, if I get a gun I want a Ak-47 It's a revolutionary weapon.

Good luck with that. The price of AK's have gone through the roof in the last three months, as have all similar rifles. Ammo is scarce as well. Went to Academy and then Wally world (Walmart) both were out of 9mms and .45 ACP. Even .22 LR was down to the dregs. Many people are worried that rifles will be made illegal, clips over a few rounds will be made illegal, and taxes on a per bullet basis will be put in place at the federal level.

hehe yup... i think that they finialy got it through thier head that they arnt gonna be able to ban the guns.

so now they will just tax the piss out of ammo. making hunting, trap shooting, target shooting, and plinking even more expensive.

9mm is still inexpensive. a box of 50 for 10 - 12 bucks. But 7.62 x .39 is crazy, picked up a box of remmington brass (i know... brass is pricy) 20 rounds for $17....... that isent even a full mag. i just need to get myself to our pawn shop and pick up all the wolf i can.

Ghetto_fight - you can get a WASR-10 for around $400 from century arms. get in touch with your local gun shop and have him order one for ya.

http://gunowners.org/fs0404.htm

huh..... 80% more likely to be used for defence then to take a life.


on a more interesting note. arnt more human lives lost to smoking each year then to guns?? why dont we ban that.

and lets take a look at abortion. how many human lives are lost each year in america to that?? more then are lost to gun violence i think. lets ban that.

after all... if protecting human life is the REAL goal hear. there should be no question in banning the above 2

That smoking argument is ridiculous, the people who die from smoking choose to smoke. Most people don't choose to get shot in the face.

gamefreak wrote:i also think its that the poloticians think the citizens arent smart enough to do the responsible thing and they think they have to be our nanny and watch every thing we do because they are paranoid that their citizens will overthow them.

I agree that having a nanny state is a bad thing, but in all fairness, most 'average citizens' *aren't* smart enough to do the responsible thing. Unfortunately most people dont think things through at all. A lot of human beings unfortunately have knee-jerk, reactionary responses to things they dislike, often involving violence. Giving people the right to own a gun just makes this a bigger problem.


just my 2 cents.

Greebynog wrote:That smoking argument is ridiculous, the people who die from smoking choose to smoke. Most people don't choose to get shot in the face.

actually, id say that most deaths involving guns are gang related violence... and last time i checked you choose to be in a gang. for the ones that arent gang violence, ya probably didnt choose very good friends (the guy that dick cheney shot, anyone?)

Yeah, I cant believe how pricy ammo and guns have gone up in the last few months. I bought a Russian Milled Ak47 about 2 years ago for roughly $450. Now they are going for almost 1-2k.

Its sick.

Thank god I reload my own ammunition on top of that.

Ensis Ferrae wrote:actually, id say that most deaths involving guns are gang related violence... and last time i checked you choose to be in a gang. for the ones that arent gang violence, ya probably didnt choose very good friends (the guy that dick cheney shot, anyone?)

Could you at least pretend to back that up with some kind of information.

Envy89 wrote:on a more interesting note. arnt more human lives lost to smoking each year then to guns?? why dont we ban that.

and lets take a look at abortion. how many human lives are lost each year in america to that?? more then are lost to gun violence i think. lets ban that.

after all... if protecting human life is the REAL goal hear. there should be no question in banning the above 2

It’s not an interesting note. It’s a silly, silly note.

Smoking is regulated. Cigarettes can’t be sold to children. There are high taxes. This is much the same as guns.

Abortion is entirely different. A lot of people don’t think a collection of cells is the same thing as a living, breathing human. While this is disputed, it is a wholly different argument to gun control. Pretending otherwise is silly.

Cigarettes cant be sold to kids? Are you sure about that one? I remember buying them for my dad when I was around 10.

Not in Oz, they can't.

We have a whole "if unsure, ask for ID" policy for it too.

So kids just get grownups to do it. If the seller (is particularly law-abiding) thinks or suspects (or even sees/hears the kids do it) that the grownup is getting them for kids, they can refuse to sell to them.

jp400 wrote:Cigarettes cant be sold to kids? Are you sure about that one? I remember buying them for my dad when I was around 10.

I had assumed there were age restrictions on cigarettes in the US, same as here.

So a 10 year old can buy cigarettes in the US for himself?

chromedog wrote:Not in Oz, they can't.

We have a whole "if unsure, ask for ID" policy for it too.

So kids just get grownups to do it. If the seller (is particularly law-abiding) thinks or suspects (or even sees/hears the kids do it) that the grownup is getting them for kids, they can refuse to sell to them.

Or you just go to the right Korean deli. Every kid that smokes knows at least two that'll sell you cigarettes even if you're in school uniform.

sebster wrote:

jp400 wrote:Cigarettes cant be sold to kids? Are you sure about that one? I remember buying them for my dad when I was around 10.

I had assumed there were age restrictions on cigarettes in the US, same as here.

So a 10 year old can buy cigarettes in the US for himself?

Oh age restrictions apply. Just proving the point that even if rules are in place, that people can get passed them.

jp400 wrote:

sebster wrote:Oh age restrictions apply. Just proving the point that even if rules are in place, that people can get passed them.

No argument here, and the parallels to the gun debate are strong. One of the odd things about the gun debate is that people are always arguing about new laws, when it seems far simpler to start properly enforcing the ones already in place.

I agree.
Im about as pro gun as one can be without becomming a left wing nut job, and im all for Better enforcement of CURRENT laws.

We dont need more anti gun laws... just better enforce the ones in place.

Still pretty amazing you Yanks get to buy ammos in a super market!!!

Ghetto,
The civil war was over last I checked..... Same with the whole YANK thing....

I have only seen one store that could be anywhere near classified as a traditional "Super Market" that carried ammunition. Its called Sporting Goods for a reason.

touche!

Whats even better is when you have people like myself who are totally set up to do their own reloading. About half the cost of regular ammo, and based upon formulae, the characteristics of your ammo can vary.

This I expect is the area that democrats and anti-gun supporters will attempt to heavily restrict in the next couple of years because obviously they cannot disarm americans lawfully.

Greebynog wrote:That smoking argument is ridiculous, the people who die from smoking choose to smoke. Most people don't choose to get shot in the face.

about 56% of gun deaths in America are suicides (not counting accidents) so, yes, most people DO choose to get shot in the face!

Easy access to guns might no be a bad idea if ya wanna over throw the system and start an Anarchist revolution. Tho the Yank goverment will mostly bomb them before it happens.

jp400 wrote:Ghetto,
The civil war was over last I checked..... Same with the whole YANK thing....

I have only seen one store that could be anywhere near classified as a traditional "Super Market" that carried ammunition. Its called Sporting Goods for a reason.

Incorrect-Walmart super stores have them in Texas, and at good prices(ok they did until the current fear sweeping through sold them all out).

You're also not counting "flashing." The legal flashing of a firearm to warn off bad guys. The FBI did a study a couple of years back and there was something like 2MM incidents where muggers/thieves etc. were scared off with no shots fired.

umm...last time i checked, the very definition of Anarchy means that there couldnt possibly be an "anarchist revolution"

@jp400... from what ive seen, being a "pro-gun" person usually gets you slapped with a huge old "conservative" label, regardless of where your true political loyalties lie. left-wingers prefer to have the most feminine males, and the activities that those "males" prefer as the 'ideal'

Ensis Ferrae wrote:umm...last time i checked, the very definition of Anarchy means that there couldnt possibly be an "anarchist revolution"

@jp400... from what ive seen, being a "pro-gun" person usually gets you slapped with a huge old "conservative" label, regardless of where your true political loyalties lie. left-wingers prefer to have the most feminine males, and the activities that those "males" prefer as the 'ideal'

sheeeeet, whats happening in Greece right now is a sort of a "Anarchist revlution".

Frazzled wrote:Good luck with that. The price of AK's have gone through the roof in the last three months, as have all similar rifles. Ammo is scarce as well. Went to Academy and then Wally world (Walmart) both were out of 9mms and .45 ACP. Even .22 LR was down to the dregs. Many people are worried that rifles will be made illegal, clips over a few rounds will be made illegal, and taxes on a per bullet basis will be put in place at the federal level.

i've heard that bullets are going to cost 3 dollars for 1, after Obama gets inaugurated. which is tonight!!!!!. going to walmart with my parents and buyng $1000 worth of bullets.

i've also heard that paintball guns are going to be restricted to.
no more paintball on the weekends

Ensis Ferrae wrote:umm...last time i checked, the very definition of Anarchy means that there couldnt possibly be an "anarchist revolution"

Anarchy comes in a lot of forms, few if any have much to do with the common usage of the word 'anarchy'. None have any problem at all with the idea of organised rebellion.

If you're interested in politics I'd recommend you do some reading on the various types. None of them strike me as all that practical but they're interesting thought experiments.

@jp400... from what ive seen, being a "pro-gun" person usually gets you slapped with a huge old "conservative" label, regardless of where your true political loyalties lie. left-wingers prefer to have the most feminine males, and the activities that those "males" prefer as the 'ideal'

Please.