Lord-Loss Genestealer Game 1-GAME OVER, GENESTEALERS CLAIM VICTORY.

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**Thor665**

((OOC too much computer can be bad if you're in a tired place, I certainly understand. That said...))

Now that you're here have you any response to Gornall's response to your question of him? Or perhaps a response to my general call for people to express opinions, votes, suspicions, et al? Simply stating "I'm here" is not really any more helpful then not saying anything.

**Arheiner**

I know, I just read it and couldn't think of anything to say at the time. I still want to keep my eye on Gornall, for all I know he could be pulling a bluff as a heretic and always asking imperialists but that's unlikely. Like Stynier said, I trust you and Gornall the most, followed by Not_U but I'm not sure who I trust the least.

**Gornall**

OOC:: Just a heads up, I'm going to be spotty over the next couple of days as I'm traveling to visit family, but I should be able to read/post some.

**Thor665**

Just as a general head's up - it is best for loyalists to stick to saying who they find most suspicious rather then who they find less suspicious. Saying who you think is less/isn't suspicious is helpful to the Genestealers, as then they know good people to target at night because those people will be harder to lynch during the day. (this dynamic changes as we get less and less players surviving, but for the moment it is important)

I'd still like to see some more votes cast, we need to generate more conversation.

@Mekboy - you've been very quiet since you somewhat finished defending yourself. I have a question for you; Currently who do you feel is most suspicious and why? (you can list 2-3 if you have to)

**Gornall**

Right now I'm still most suspicious of Mekboy because I don't think he has adequately explained his actions over the last two days. Because of this, I'm also slightly suspicious of Thor, as he really didn't start questioning me until I started talking about Mekboy, so it kind of looks like he might have been trying to cover Mekboy. However, my discussion with Thor seemed to show that he was being pretty logical about what made him suspicious of me, so it's really only the timing that I'm still unsure about.

Arnheiner also tried to defend Mekboy, partially taking the blame for Vulkan's lynch, which could also be construed as trying to keep Mekboy from being lynched. Once again, it's flimsy, but something I'm thinking about.

If I assume that Mekboy just was unfortunate in his vote counting, then things are a little more murky. Stynier and Not_U have been hard for me to read, and while Airman has been quick to point out his suspicions on people, I can't really classify it as malicious, as at least he's throwing out some ideas.

**Mekboy**

How do you expect me to explain my miscounting further? I have shown it was a mistake, and you still want me to explain. It might appear to some that you are trying to hide something.

**Thor665**

Mekboy - I'd still like you to answer my question in my previous post. If you don't wish to answer it then just acknowledge you have read it and are choosing not to answer.

**Mekboy**

At the moment, I'd say I find brother_stynier one of the more suspicious members of this group. He seemed to be jumping around a lot during the first day. However, due to the general lack of conversation, I can't really tell if most people are suspicious or not.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Alot? I moved from n0t_u to yourself, that's hardly alot. I still find your excuse for 'dropping' the hammer rather convenient.

**Thor665**

I find Mekboy's excuse to not be totally unreasonable ((OOC - though as Gornall pointed out - the vote count was right there on the same page)) though it is worrisome that he voted along with someone who'd clearly had a lot of attention on them without first verifying the number of votes on said person.

I'm mildly suspicious of a Mekboy/Arheiner pairing in all honesty. Day 1 Stynier brought the flimsy story vote on n0t_u. Mekboy quickly hopped onto that vote (claiming it as his totally random vote via die roll) and Arheiner followed shortly thereafter (even citing his reason for voting to be because n0t_u was voting for him, which is not an inherently good reason to vote for someone). Then later they both hopped on to seal Vulkan's fate. Also, Gornall pointed out something that had slightly slipped by me - which was Arheiner throwing himself on his own sword and claiming he was perhaps equally at fault as Mekboy, for putting a vote on Vulkan. But Arheiner was the third of five votes - so when he put his vote on it was quite reasonable and safe. If anything n0t_u is perhaps in a more suspicious slot then Arheiner...so why the Mekboy defense?

I'm also suspicious of Gornall and Stynier, though neither of them seem likely to be paired with Mekboy. I could probably see them paired with each other or either with Arheiner (I'm not a big fan of Arheiner's copying of Stynier's 'who to trust list'). But to my mind somewhere within those four is probably the Genestealer pair.

I'd like to hear more from Arheiner in any case, since he votes a lot and speaks quite guardedly. Though I'm still not overly pleased with Gornall's talking points on Day 1, he has proven more functional thus far in Day 2 - so if he is scum he'll be a little easier to suss out later.

So, with all that said;
Unvote: Gornall
Vote: Arheiner

**SagesStone**

Thor665 wrote:A good question, airman.

n0t_u - you are already in a good place because to your mind there are 2-3 people who are more suspicious then everyone else. I would advocate either expressing why you find airman/Mekboy more suspicious to see how people react to your reasoning. Or, if you find them equally suspicious, just flip a coin to choose. It is the job of every loyal Imperial here to try to make enough action and choices to help expose the Genestealers - you can't sit back and hope more active people will do it alone because they cannot without everyone reacting.

Mekboy was originally suspicious because of how he seemed to almost jump at the chance to get Vulkan killed. However it seems more likely that that was simply a mistake, as they do happen after all

Airman was actually a mistake, I got his name mixed up with Arheiner (Sorry Airman). Anyway it was because he claimed to simply want to sit back and hide in the shadows until the best time to vote would show up. Instead he voted shortly after just because I voted for him (for claiming to want to sit back and not vote (not voting = genesteallers have 0% chance of dieing if there is no lynch = free traitor kill = possibly helping the traitors?)) instead of simply defending himself like everyone else did. But, not to look like I'm going to bandwagon my vote, I think I'll set my vote on him for now. As I've basically stated reasons why I wasn't voting for the other. Mekboy is still suspicious to me, but at the same time I think it might simply just be a honest mistake.

Vote:Arheiner

**airman**

n0t_u wrote:Airman was actually a mistake, I got his name mixed up with Arheiner (Sorry Airman).

Apology accepted.

**Thor665**

@airman - your last half a dozen comments have all been very short and have not particularly advanced any scumhunting activity.

COuld you please express who you feel is most suspicious currently and why?

If you don't want to do that perhaps you could consider the Arheiner and Mekboy bandwagons and give us your thoughts on the two of them as potentially being scum.

If you don't want to do that then you could at least maybe ask a question of someone about something they did that appeared at least a little suspicious in some way to yourself.

**airman**

@Thor665
Here's my list of people I don't trust.
1. BrotherStynier
2. Arheiner
3. Gornall
4. n0t_u
5. Thor665
6. Mekboy
I don't trust you guys.

**Thor665**

First off I will note a total list is not what I asked for. Second, if that list is in actual order then I would have preferred that you not post it (re: my earlier position about not saying who you find least guilty). If that list is not in order and is instead simply a joke response to me by pointing out how you don't trust anyone then it is of absolutely no help to us in any way shape or form.

Are you trying to be obtuse, or am I misunderstanding what you're saying with that reply?

**airman**

I'm saying that I don't trust any of you.

**Thor665**

As well you shouldn't - but that goes pretty much without saying.

Now, could you answer one of my three question options above? If not, why not?

**airman**

@Thor665
To answer your questions
1. the list I posted above is not in order
2. it is NOT a joke response.
Ok now that I got that out of the way here are the two people I don't trust the most.
BrotherStynier: Jumping around on day one
Arheiner: Trusts BrotherStynier, and the copying of his "trust list"

**Arheiner**

Right, now you're back on me and I have to admit, though incorrect that you think I'm a genestealer with Mekboy. I've not much experience in this sort of game and I admit, I've probably been playing it wrong. Your 4 man possible cell list is interesting but I'd like to know, do you trust Airman and Not_U in that case, I'm not labelling them as suspicous but I'd like to see what you mean.

OK, I admit I haven't done anything to disprove your theory, but it's 8:20 in the morning and a simple way of doing it is this, it may make you more suspicous and question me being with Gornall or Stynier but right now, it'll be difficult to afford another couple of Imperial casualties, so I have to stop you voting off another Imperialist by accident (Or deliberately, I trust some of you more but that's just more, not very much)

Vote: Mekboy

And this doesn't mean I'll remove it when the Heat is off me just to jump the gun, I'll take any more questions later.

**Thor665**

Arheiner wrote:Right, now you're back on me and I have to admit, though incorrect that you think I'm a genestealer with Mekboy.

You didn't say, but judging from the rest of your post I presume this is directed at me. To clarify I think you are fairly likely a Genestealer and are paired with Mekboy, Stynier, or Gornall - Mekboy is not the only possibility I discussed, though he might be the most likely. I wish I had more of a Day 1 to study the interactions between you all as then I might have been able to make a more narrow accusation, but c'est la vie, as they say.

I've not much experience in this sort of game and I admit, I've probably been playing it wrong.

((OOC - You can't really play it "wrong" though in my opinion you can play it in ways that are more or less likely to have your team win on average.))

Your 4 man possible cell list is interesting but I'd like to know, do you trust Airman and Not_U in that case, I'm not labelling them as suspicous but I'd like to see what you mean.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. I have previously (and now repeatedly) noted that I do not think that it is a good idea to say whether or not you believe someone to be loyalist or not. I will say that I believe that you are more likely to be a Genestealer then either airman or n0t_u as far as I can tell at this particular moment and for reasons I stated when I voted for you. If you want more clarification ask me again and I'll try to shed some further light - but as I said I wasn't really sure what your question was asking.

OK, I admit I haven't done anything to disprove your theory, but it's 8:20 in the morning and a simple way of doing it is this,

And by "this" you mean voting for Mekboy? That really doesn't prove or disprove anything. You might be a loyalist trying to vote for someone you feel is a Genestealer (or who at least isn't you), or you might be a Genestealer voting for an innocent who you'd rather get lynched. Or you might be a Genestealer voting for your partner in the hopes to get people to believe you two are not partners. I'd rather you vote for Mekboy because you feel he's a Genestealer and explain to us why that is, then to simply vote for him to "prove" something that it cannot. I'd also rather see you answer some of the accusations I made towards you, as that might help explain your thought process in a way that will allow me to see it as less likely the actions of a Genestealer. I'm actually a little worried that you didn't attack my specific allegations and instead just hopped onto the bandwagon that wasn't yours.

@Areheiner - Could you please explain why you think Mekboy is a Genestealer? Also, could you explain your first post on page 5, and why you think Mekboy responded to it the way he did?

@airman - how do you classify Stynier's voting as 'hopping around'? He voted for two people, I do believe (which is the same as me and probably at least half of us here) what made it feel more...uh...hoppy? (I'm sure there's a better way to phrase that)

**airman**

Thor665 wrote:@airman - how do you classify Stynier's voting as 'hopping around'? He voted for two people, I do believe (which is the same as me and probably at least half of us here) what made it feel more...uh...hoppy? (I'm sure there's a better way to phrase that)

I didn't say hopping around, I said "jumping around." To answer your question, I classified Stynier's as "jumping around," because he unvoted not_u and then
voted mekboy without any reason in my opinion.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

My "with out any reason" vote for Mekboy was in the beginning of the game when the goal was to vote for people to put on pressure. Not my fault I had to make up for some people slacking off in the accusation department.

**Arheiner**

There's one thing you seemed to have missed Thor, I never defended Mekboy, I was just the one with the least justified vote on Vulkan_He'stan which was done just to pressure him into giving an answer. The way I see it and probably a few of you, we need to hit a traitor tonight and tomorrow. As we know, Mekboy responded to it like that either because he was faking it and is a traitor, or is innocent and made an honest mistake.

My vote for him-the average person is able to count to 5 aren't they? What he did seems logically unlikely.

**Gornall**

OOC:: Just finished my drive to visit family. Just checking in really quick.

A lot has happened since I last checked in. Airman, I'm a little confused on your response to Thor's questions, as he seems to have to drag responses out of you. I understand you not wanting to trust anyone (which is probably the best policy), but the more we talk with each other, the better off we are.

Arnheiner, I find your actions pretty suspicious. People start putting pressure on you and you immediately jump on the wagon for Mekboy. You say this is to prove that you're not in cohoots with him, but as Thor said, it could be a ruse to throw off suspicion of you two being together. This could be to try and save him, and if that fails, make you less likely to be fingered when he is lynched. That or you could be taking advantage of suspicion on him and trying to get him lynched if he is innocent. While I do agree with what you stated your reasoning for voting for Mekboy was, the timing was very suspect.

**Arheiner**

You mean 8:20 in the morning when I wasn't thinking at my best?

**Thor665**

Arheiner wrote:There's one thing you seemed to have missed Thor, I never defended Mekboy, I was just the one with the least justified vote on Vulkan_He'stan which was done just to pressure him into giving an answer. The way I see it and probably a few of you, we need to hit a traitor tonight and tomorrow. As we know, Mekboy responded to it like that either because he was faking it and is a traitor, or is innocent and made an honest mistake.

I'll first note - we need to hit a Genestealer today or tomorrow, not 'and' (not that I would mind that if we swung it). I'm also interested why you brought that up in your answer to my question.

But getting back to my question - I (and I believe Gornall also) have both phrased it as defensive of Mekboy, and though not overtly so it did serve as such to try and lessen the supposed impact he had as the hammer voter.

I'm also quite interested in the psychology of why you felt a need to post up an apology of sorts for your vote. I, as a loyalist, felt annoyed that I had helped lynch a loyalist, but I didn't feel guilty because Vulkan had certainly done his fair share to convince us to lynch him. At the very least there were three loyalists voting to lynch Vulkan and the only one of them who should perhaps have felt guilty would be Mekboy (presuming he's a loyalist). Nobody else felt any particular urge to apologize or act ashamed of their vote except for you. I then have to ask myself, why would a townie who wasn't the one who started the bandwagon and wasn't the one who put down the hammer and wasn't even the one who put Vulkan one vote away from lynch feel a need to apologize for it? Loyalists tend to be a little less worried about guilt because they know in their own head they are innocent. Genestealers however, who lurk amongst us living a lie, tend to get very self-conscious of their actions because they always think they are looking a little guilty.

@ Lord-Loss - when next you do a vote count could we also please get an official head's up as to when deadline is?

**Lord-Loss**

Ye Sixth Voting Summary.

Thor665-
N0t_u-
Gornal-
Airman-
Mekboy-(2)Gornall, Arheiner
Arheiner-(2)Thor665, Not_u
BrotherStynier-

With 7 people alive, its 4 to Lynch.

6 days into Day 2 deadline.

**Thor665**

((OOC - with deadline hitting Monday of next week and Christ's Mass looming before us I will once again rattle my sabre about a need for people to start voting.

Brother Stynier, Mekboy, airman - you can all still vote and I suggest you do, though just at this very moment I would suggest not totally dropping the hammer on anyone. Getting someone to L-1 (1 vote from lynch) could be quite helpful in getting pressure on them. Also, if any of you three are more suspicious of someone who doesn't have any votes on them then NOW is the time to get a vote on them and proclaim why you think they are guilty because you are fast running out of time to change anyone's mind.

@Lord Loss - I would like to petition for a two day extension to the game, since I suspect the 24-25th will not be days with a lot of functional posting in them.))

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Well at the moment I find Mekboy to be most suspicious so I will place my vote on him, if only to add pressure from day one and move closer to L-1.

VOTE: Mekboy

**Thor665**

To clarify - Stynier's vote puts Mekboy at L-1 and any more Mekboy votes will be the lynch vote.

Confused about that Stynier?