Who would win, a Spartan (Halo) or a SM?

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**Kanluwen**

ph34r wrote:Halo vehicles are build light and efficient compared to 40k vehicles which are built out of invincible heavytanium. Anything a spartan can flip, a SM can flip. That's just the facts, SM muscle enhancements and power armor is greater than that of a spartan.

A Scorpion weighs as much, if not more, than a Rhino or Predator.

An Elephant is equivalent in weight class to a Baneblade.

Try again.

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For reference:
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/M808B_Main_Battle_Tank
Scorpion is 66 tons.

Rhino is 30 tons, unladen, and a Razorback clocks in at 31.5 tons.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File:Mk1_Rhino.jpg

**CrazyThang**

Wait, since we already said that we are using fluff marines and not game marines is it fair to use game spartans? If it says they can flip a scorpion in fluff, well then that's a great argument point but if it's just in the game...

Because I can't remember anything like this in the books (though I did read them long ago).

**Kanluwen**

I can't remember which specific novel it was, but I do recall a Spartan lifting(and holding) a Scorpion long enough for a pinned Marine to crawl out from under it

**Snikkyd**

I would contest, that Spartans are more powerful in their universe than SM are in their's. Whether or not it makes them better is a different question. To be honest, SM aren't as special, there's way more of them.

**Kurgash**

it doesn't matter who would kill who, because we all know Spartans would gak themselves if they had to fight the things Space Marines do

**Henners91**

Kanluwen wrote:
Henners91 wrote:Space Marines got raped on Maccragge.

They fail.

See how that works?

And let's not even get into all the Astartes Chapters that have been decimated during the course of the more recent Hive Fleets(namely because they keep adding more and more obscure Chapters to get devoured).

Allow me to amend:

Spartans got raped by a bunch of two-foot high cowardly little critters that look like they belong on Telly Tubbies.

Space Marines got raped by a never-ending locust-like horde of terrifying aliens.

I think I know how this compares

**Kanluwen**

So you're saying that the ENTIRE force on Reach was Grunts?

Because Reach was the first *real* encounter by the UNSC of the Elites, which would(theoretically) be comparable to Tyranid Warrior strain.

And Reach was bombarded from orbit for the most part.

**Orkeosaurus**

Unless my scaling is way off, a Tyranid Warrior should be significantly taller than elite, and probably weigh around 2-3x as much. A Space Marine is as tall as an Elite, and a Warrior is much taller than a Space Marine (in addition to being more heavily built than an Elite).

The ability to flip over tanks in game doesn't really matter much; it's a game mechanic made to allow you to use vehicles after accidentally flipping them, same as the ability to respawn when killed, or to reload dual wielded weapons by just putting them to your sides and waiting. It's not an ability replicated outside of the game, nor is it handled realistically inside the game (he just swats at them and they right themselves). If we start going by what they do when people play Halo, Spartans are going to end up with very little agility (jump! jump! jump! you can't hit me now!), poor aim, zero tactical knowledge, a knack for accidentally killing themselves with their own rocket launchers, a crippling weakness against puddles (in the first one, anyways

), and a habit of throwing out inapplicable racial slurs in the middle of battle.

Being able to prop up a tank is a better example of their strength, and I recall something about them denting tank armor with their bare hands as well. I gave them S4 in my statline, although if SM were S6 I'd probably only give Spartans S5 or so. They're simply not to the same physical scale.

**Noobtodagame**

One comparison I would like to make between the spartan armour and Power armour. The SOB use power armour correct? It has been noted that power armour upgrades str and physical speed. I remember a scene where the spartans first see the original armour without shields.

In a video they watch an unaugmented human rip himself by merely trying to move in the armour as it boosted his str and reflexes so much.

The 1080 thrown out earlier was pre-armour capabilities. I would think that after armour it would be significantly more.

On a note I do think the marine would win in a stand up fight or brawl.

However If both were dropped in a swamp and told to hunt the other I give it to the spartan. No bright colored armour for them.

**Orkeosaurus**

My guess is that the benefits of physical camouflage would be largely negated by the sensory equipment present in both soldiers' armor.

**Noobtodagame**

The real question with that though . . .is the marine wearing his helmet?

**Orkeosaurus**

Well if he's not, the Spartan will subjected to an unstoppable battery of bald screaming!

**Lorgar's_Blessed**

Note: I never said a Rhino, I said vehicle. This would mean more light armored vehicles and civilian types.

Also, Emperor's Faithful, the quote of someone flipping Warthogs because they drive crappy made me laugh. Another incident of a game representing fluff. And while I do indeed enjoy my 40k as much as the next uber-nerd, the difference is simple. While my information is indeed based on facts/fluff (although saying this seems silly since it's all a written fake universe), the Halo info is more than often based on probabilities, idiotic assumptions, and even insane amounts of repetition. Plus, I don't recall calling a single person here a "halo fanboi" and I never recall bashing a single person, but merely saying I see people's opinions rediculous and they need to stop simply arguing because thy are wrong. Though if I caused you to assume otherwise, I apologize.

Also, for someone named Emperor's Faithful, you sure aren't. The Emperor would frown upon thee.

**Solly**

And the survey says:

SM would kick Spartans ass..

(although saying this seems silly since it's all a written fake universe)
hehehe I suppose that's the fun of doing the poll (",)

**Katavus**

I am still standing my ground with the nine foot man in armor that helps and augments his physic. Not saying the Spartans doesn't, i just think that the Spartan would stand very well, and would not go down without a fight, i just think and know that if he gets hit with really any weapon the SM is known it wield he is going to have some pretty serious injuries if not immobilized. My money is on the side with 4 lungs, and 2 hearts with the ability to take a head shot without a helmet and survive with little problem. I agree with Solly here poll kinda speaks the majority of what would happen, SM wins.

**Shaman**

Also judging by this picture the spartan has longs since been killed by his betters.

**Emperors Faithful**

@Lorgar: As I have said, I really do think that in the end, more often than not, a Space Marine would emerge the victor. I DO believe that it would be a fierce contest though, and am not one to go straight for the '"ZOMG! POWER ARMOURZ AND BOLTGUNZ! PEW PEW I WINZ!"

That said, the Spartan could win. If the Emperor wanted him to.

**Solly**

But the Emperor and his faithful do not want the Spartan to win...

**Kilkrazy**

Perhaps the Spartan is the Emporer's way of encouraging his finest to try harder next time.

**IronChaos**

Agreed. SM are much better than Spartans (remember that SM take them about 37,000 years, I think)

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Shaman wrote:

Also judging by this picture the spartan has longs since been killed by his betters.

Nice picture hahahaha

**Emperors Faithful**

Kilkrazy wrote:Perhaps the Spartan is the Emporer's way of encouraging his finest to try harder next time.

Exactly.

**IggyEssEmManlyMan**

Kilkrazy wrote:Spartan.

His energy shield is proof against all the SM's weapons as long as he can manoeuvre to cover to let it recharge. He is much more manoeuvrable, and he has a helmet.

You know that sniper rifle? yah. the one that hits you in the head through shields and kill the spartan. a bolter shell is like that head shot times about 54 and works on any part of the body. oh yeah the shell it's self is about the length of master chiefs foot. And made of adamantium(as is the power armour)

**Emperors Faithful**

Slight exaggeration there.

**Lorgar's_Blessed**

Only slightly indeed. He's pretty much right though.

**Snikkyd**

I don't think a bolter rounds is as big as Mcs foot, but it is fairly large for a bullet.

I want to let you guys know, bolters aren't as effective at close ranges because they actually have to speed up after they leave the barrel, since they're rocket-proppelled or something. So at close ranges, I think a Spartan could take a bolt round and survive. Whether or not its enough for him to win is a different question.

**Emperors Faithful**

I wonder how teabagging would affect the outcome...

**Solly**

If the SM is teabagging then I'd imagine the Chaplain will admonish him..
If the Spartan teabags for long enough he will suddenly die...

I think that even if the bolter had not gathered enough speed to become volatile
then the actual fist sized hole that would be left in the Spartan would be detrimental to his health..
Or multiple holes, depending on th amount of shots let off by the SM before CC started...

**yevix**

spartans would loose...

a spartan is the best trooper human forces have....they are of few numbers and geared with latest tech.

space marine are a whole race basically....if you say

spartan vs space marine

i say
spartan vs librarian
spartan vs Commander
spartan vs Terminators

think about it if we use the elite trooper of halo world why not use the elite hero of warhammer 40k( space marine only)

**Red9**

Kanluwen wrote:
And it all leads to the fact that this is as stupid of an argument as who would win in a fight between Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee.

Um..this has already been proven that Bruce Lee wins. Way of the Dragon. Watch it

Sorry if I'm late to the party, but isn't a standard bolter round basically a .75 cal HE round? So a grenade moving at the speed of bullet? I don't think Spartan armor could withstand that beyond a round or two. 3 brute shot rounds empty a shield. 2 brute shot rounds kill an unarmored spartan. 5 rounds. Whats the rate of fire and accuracy of bolters? What distance are we shooting at? Whats the spread at said distance? Weather conditions? Flat, symmetrical vaccum combat area? We need more variables to establish a sure winner.

**DEATH89**

Snikkyd wrote:I don't think a bolter rounds is as big as Mcs foot, but it is fairly large for a bullet.

I want to let you guys know, bolters aren't as effective at close ranges because they actually have to speed up after they leave the barrel, since they're rocket-proppelled or something. So at close ranges, I think a Spartan could take a bolt round and survive. Whether or not its enough for him to win is a different question.

MC's foot? Monstrous Creature? Master-Crafted?

Seriously though I'd like to know how long it'd take for a spartan to bleed out from a fist sized hole or two. And thats assuming it hit his body and he can actually still move, if it hits him in the leg its an easy finish for the SM, arm not so much but he'll still bleed out and wont be able to fire rifles acurately or would have to resort to a pistol.

Again assuming the bolt doesn't detonate in his gut like its supposed to.